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What do you think about death? Afterlife?
    #15912473 - 03/07/12 03:17 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

What do you think will happen when you die?

I kind of think death as being at a higher level.
Maybe this ride never stops, maybe it's an intricate cycle.
I think one purpose of life is to prepare the mind for what death will be.
But what the fuck do I know, what do YOU think?


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts] * 1
    #15912475 - 03/07/12 03:18 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Nothing. I'll find out when I die, no need to wonder.

We live to die. :cheers:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15912476 - 03/07/12 03:19 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

:mindexpanding:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: tizjack]
    #15912481 - 03/07/12 03:20 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

we need to run away from the sun or else we will all sink in to it and kablam


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: trANce]
    #15912483 - 03/07/12 03:22 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

i could feel its gravitational force


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: trANce]
    #15912487 - 03/07/12 03:24 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

its like completing levels we will slowly move in to a safer dimension and there will be kinda like a blockade from the original gracity we were facing. the only thing that is true is what is in front of you. time and info is never ending and irrevavent in my opinion. good is good and bad is bad


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: trANce]
    #15912488 - 03/07/12 03:24 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

It's not gonna suck is in, it's gonna blow the fuck up and eat us.
We need a new earth with a new sun, pack your bags and run!


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15912499 - 03/07/12 03:32 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15912500 - 03/07/12 03:33 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

we are nothing but electrical systems really, so our voltage gets recycled into another form that we harmonize(what we love, hate, help, or hurt) with in this life.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #15912511 - 03/07/12 03:39 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

I once knew a man obsessed with the afterlife, oh what a terrible day that was, he realized he had wasted all his time.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: trip forever]
    #15912522 - 03/07/12 03:49 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

[my first post XD]

The body is only a vessel for the soul, and when we die we part from our bodys and wonder, not the earth but the universe forever!!

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15912532 - 03/07/12 03:54 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

You tune out, then you tune in again to another lifetime.

I believe that every possible life will be yours and you shall live it in sequence for all eternity.

We are a rock skipping over a pond. The ponds is the universe and every skip is a life. The time spent flying is death, and I believe "deep death" passes entirely unnoticed. You could be dead for a trillion years, and for you as a person it would pass in no time at all, you won't even be aware of it.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15912537 - 03/07/12 03:59 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

i like to believe in the delusion of an afterlife, re-incarnation, eternal peace, all those sorts of thangs, but i don't rationally believe it. it's fun to think about, but in the back of my mind i think it's all bullshit





in regards to death, i think when one dies, everything just fades to black, and thats it. shows over folks. goodnight.

however one thing i can say about death....i saw my father die, and i can say that it looked like there was something beautiful inbetween the end of ones life and death. he was very ill, and for the most part towards the end had a troubled or painful look on his face, but when it happened and he died, he all of a sudden got this blissful look on his face, with the most peaceful smile i had ever seen. once he was dead, his face was completely relaxed. i guess this is to be expected as the body would go limp... but he looked happy. and the other thing alot of people don't know about death...is a dead persons eyes. the eyes have this eerie look to them, it was the most dilated i'd ever seen an eye ball in my life time. even more then those times where your like : roflol holy shit dawg i'm trippin my ass off on 8 blotters, i can't see any colour in my eyes. literally like the whole eye is black, and it just has this fucked look... cant describe it



kind of like this


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Asante]
    #15912545 - 03/07/12 04:11 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
You tune out, then you tune in again to another lifetime.

I believe that every possible life will be yours and you shall live it in sequence for all eternity.

We are a rock skipping over a pond. The ponds is the universe and every skip is a life. The time spent flying is death, and I believe "deep death" passes entirely unnoticed. You could be dead for a trillion years, and for you as a person it would pass in no time at all, you won't even be aware of it.




i like this idea


To be honest, i have no idea


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Locky]
    #15912556 - 03/07/12 04:20 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

We die to remember what, while living as a separate entity, we have forgotten, and what we have forgotten is our Eternal connection to the Supreme Ground of All Being (God), which is Eternity (the Eternal Universe), or what the Buddhists call, Nirvana, the state of being that we enter upon death which is the sum total of the All. When we depart from this plane of existence, we are made aware of our most fundamental nature as God, and after we come to this consummation, we choose to forget everything in order to experience life all over again, because we experientially realize that we are One with the Universe, which is an Eternal, unchanging process of which everything is interconnected and cyclical.

Thus, we are merely living our lives anew when we are born, because being born is just having died; we effectively cause ourselves (the Ouroboros*; we are the First Cause/Big Bang). Life is a dream that death wakes us from; the Universe is a broken record. Ultimately, this kind of thinking leads to the inevitable conclusion that we are all God (the Universe), pretending to not be itself for a purpose beyond our ability to comprehend while alive (this is essential Alan Watts). We are all the collective persona of God.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #15912564 - 03/07/12 04:28 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Damn, Dosile, that's crazy about your dad.
Pretty cool though, interesting stuff.



*Hey good stuff, BrainFood, thanks for the link.




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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15912598 - 03/07/12 04:42 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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We die to remember what, while living as a separate entity, we have forgotten,

Site is in my sig.




In mine as well.

Though I value the interpretation, I think ultimately no one knows, nor ever will know. Even the indications we currently have (NDEs, past life experiences, DMT flashes, etc.) may also turn out to be illusory or just a part of the human narrative.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #15912618 - 03/07/12 04:53 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah, I guess we won't know until it happens.. But maybe not even then.:shrug:
Ah, man, that site looks like a very interesting read..i've had the almost exact ideas in my head for years.
I'll have to finish it later tho, my ass is going,to sleep.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift] * 1
    #15912664 - 03/07/12 05:26 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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BrainFood said:
We die to remember what, while living as a separate entity, we have forgotten,

Site is in my sig.




In mine as well.

Though I value the interpretation, I think ultimately no one knows, nor ever will know. Even the indications we currently have (NDEs, past life experiences, DMT flashes, etc.) may also turn out to be illusory or just a part of the human narrative.




Thank you for the support.

:standingby:

I agree with you on the possibility of an absolute unknown; however, I very much do subscribe to the notion that we are merely iterations of an infinitely complex system and that being so, our minds are bound to double-back upon us reflections of that macrocosmic singularity. I find the united voice of mystic confessions of the past few thousand years to be a good indicator that we do, in fact, inhabit an Eternal Mind/Universe.

That being said, it's all probably an illusion; Mind itself.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Locky]
    #15912666 - 03/07/12 05:27 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Recently ive been thinking...Like a dream, perhaps reality,life as we know it is all a lie, a trick, set up for us to beleive, to learn from. so perhaps were ultimatley a higher form of conciousness asleep unaware that it is dreaming waiting to awake, so I beleive death will be painless, it will be like waking up from a very deep sleep into a higher more devine self of greater awarness.

Of course nothing proves this idea is true, but i like to beleive it, it makes the most sense to me, and it helps me understand death rather than fear it.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: 2bakednate]
    #15912718 - 03/07/12 06:02 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

I'm amazed at the idiots in this thread that can't see past the physical reality.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru]
    #15912721 - 03/07/12 06:05 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

can you prove that there actually is anything beyond the ' physical reality ' ?


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki] * 2
    #15912724 - 03/07/12 06:08 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Can you prove there even IS a physical reality?

No :gameover:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 2
    #15912726 - 03/07/12 06:08 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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I'm amazed at the idiots in this thread that can't see past the physical reality.




The irony of this post is astounding.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Asante]
    #15912729 - 03/07/12 06:10 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

hahah no i can't, but i'm sure a scientist/physicist of some description has before though


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15912734 - 03/07/12 06:12 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)



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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #15912742 - 03/07/12 06:19 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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hahah no i can't, but i'm sure a scientist/physicist of some description has before though





Actually no. There is no absolute proof in science, just theories with varying degrees of probability. That probability may approach 100% extremely closely, but there's not one 100%. Science is about finding out how it works. How it works, fully, absolutely, hasnt been figured out.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Asante]
    #15912755 - 03/07/12 06:24 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

well ok, i atleast think it's safe to asume that there is more proof on the side of the physical reality as opposed to other 'realms' -- bardos/heaven/hell/afterlife/etc (this is excluding alternate realities and those quantum type things, given that they would just be a different version of what we are referring to as 'physical reality'). but at the end of the day theres no definitive proof one way or the other :shrug:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #15912774 - 03/07/12 06:33 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

fiddlesticks I say! we are multidimensional I say!
I'm a light being having a temporary human experience, I dunno about you guys. Actually I do but I wont say.
physical reality is just like college for the soul
we are still but noobs. In the grand evolutionary scale of eternity
But the spiral... oh, it never ends.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Shroomism]
    #15912778 - 03/07/12 06:35 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

i really would like to believe in things of this nature, but rationally i just can't believe it to be true. maybe i just need to experience a few more things before i can understand these sorts of concepts more completely.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki] * 1
    #15912781 - 03/07/12 06:36 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

eat 80 hits of acid and communicate telepathically with some aliens  and/or the void


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15912862 - 03/07/12 07:13 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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UniversalShaman said:
I'm amazed at the idiots in this thread that can't see past the physical reality.




The irony of this post is astounding.

:learyharvard:




:lol:

"All those idiots out there should realize there is no out there"

Oh, wait! Where'd the idiots go?

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15912895 - 03/07/12 07:31 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

The body is a vessel for the soul.

The evidence coming from scientists on NDE research clearly indicates life after death is real.

The naysayers claim its just a massive bunch of coincidences that keep on happening... yeah right - one person coming back with precise info on the surgical operation or what people were doing when they popped out of their body is interesting but theres fucking millions of them in some cases the information is so precise theres no way they all imagining this shit and getting correct information about precise surgical procedures etc etc

Check out the documentaries on youtube about it.

the research itself only started because doctors world wide were noticing it happening over and over again with such precise information it astounded them and independant research labs have sprung up world wide as result.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #15912912 - 03/07/12 07:36 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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Jessica Swift said:
Quote:

BrainFood said:
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UniversalShaman said:
I'm amazed at the idiots in this thread that can't see past the physical reality.




The irony of this post is astounding.

:learyharvard:




:lol:

"All those idiots out there should realize there is no out there"

Oh, wait! Where'd the idiots go?

:murray:






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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: nice1]
    #15912945 - 03/07/12 07:48 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

I figure the most plausible sounding way that a person can "live on" after death is in the impression they left on the people and things around them when they were alive, doesn't really invoke the supernatural but I think it's still a reassurance that it's worth living a good life. I can buy that you can get a pretty good idea of the experience of dying from e.g. talking to someone as they go through it or coming close to death yourself, but I haven't seen anything yet to convince me that you really experience anything at all after you're fully dead. Maybe you do, but the people who claim they know what happens don't present a very convincing argument that they aren't just guessing IMO.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: psi]
    #15913497 - 03/07/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Have you studied the NDE research?  Its not just a guess when there is scientific data from people who are clinically dead that heavily indicates a life after death is a reality.

You made the assumption everyone wants to believe in life after death.  Thats a convenient way of justifying it but many of us find it more scary that there could be life after death.  Personally I'd prefer death to be an ending - I don't want to go into some unknown new universe.

At present its open.  Nobody knows for certain yet but there is scientific data that indicates there is life after death.  With that in mind psychological rationalisations about whether people want there to be an after life or not are irrelevant.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki] * 1
    #15914056 - 03/07/12 01:38 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

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i really would like to believe in things of this nature, but rationally i just can't believe it to be true. maybe i just need to experience a few more things before i can understand these sorts of concepts more completely.





A puddle of some bomb liquid will do the trick. :grin:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: nice1]
    #15914315 - 03/07/12 02:40 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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Have you studied the NDE research?  Its not just a guess when there is scientific data from people who are clinically dead that heavily indicates a life after death is a reality.




No, I haven't, but I have no problem believing that people may experience things for a certain amount of time after they're "officially" dead. It just seems like it would be a big extrapolation if someone was to suggest that because XYZ happens when you're essentially still in the process of dying, that we know anything new with any certainty about what someone might experience (or not) a few weeks or months later. As I say I haven't looked into the research you are talking about though.

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You made the assumption everyone wants to believe in life after death.




I'm honestly at a loss as to what in my post you could be getting that idea from.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: nice1]
    #15914340 - 03/07/12 02:50 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Clinical death and information death are two very different things, nice1.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #15914490 - 03/07/12 03:29 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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can you prove that there actually is anything beyond the ' physical reality ' ?




That's what all you morons say.

"Can you prove, can you prove, prove, proof."

Get your head out of the cultural norm, beyond materialism.

You seriously think after this it's just lights out and that's all there is too it?

You're fuckin' DUMB.


EDIT: Banned for flaming, seriously, we don't like that here and there's words enough in the English language to say what you mean without offending.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15914511 - 03/07/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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BrainFood said:
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UniversalShaman said:
I'm amazed at the idiots in this thread that can't see past the physical reality.




The irony of this post is astounding.

:learyharvard:




You're trying to sound educated, and make it seem like you have it all figured out.

Well, you don't.

Open a damned book.

Too many people in this site fried their brains from too much MDMA, pills, powder, and whatever else they could swallow or snort.

That's why most of you have a shitty notion of existance, you've been burn-outs for much of your lives.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
    #15914533 - 03/07/12 03:36 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

:flowstone:

Coming from a guy with "UniversalShaman" as a username.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Caine]
    #15914592 - 03/07/12 03:46 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

the beginning is the end.

all life is an afterlife.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru]
    #15914743 - 03/07/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

We live forever.

Things have always been here and always will be here, and so are we.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #15914828 - 03/07/12 04:36 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)




:soundsgoodman:
:feelsgoodman:



:bow2:

cheers brew, also, poast moar. those tunes were sick. my sub woofer loves you, my neighbours hate you :awesome:

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
    #15916907 - 03/07/12 10:56 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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BrainFood said:
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UniversalShaman said:
I'm amazed at the idiots in this thread that can't see past the physical reality.




The irony of this post is astounding.

:learyharvard:




You're trying to sound educated, and make it seem like you have it all figured out.

Well, you don't.

Open a damned book.

Too many people in this site fried their brains from too much MDMA, pills, powder, and whatever else they could swallow or snort.

That's why most of you have a shitty notion of existance, you've been burn-outs for much of your lives.




You're an ignoramus, white-noise douchebag.

If you read my first post in this thread or visited the site mentioned in it, you might understand why (admittedly, chances are desperately slim).

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #15916958 - 03/07/12 11:09 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

*irrelevant post edit


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #15917041 - 03/07/12 11:30 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Well My theory is that when we die we project into the "world" consciousness and forever live as an astral being.. serving another purpose/ journey.. i dunno, makes sense to me but who knows ?


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 5
    #15917431 - 03/08/12 01:43 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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We live forever.

Things have always been here and always will be here, and so are we.



Ok, maybe if you define "We", I could concede that. It would have to be a pretty broad fucking definition of "We" though.

The raging asshole who posts on Shroomery as UniversalShaman will most certainly not live forever though, and thank Eternity for that. Your body and brain will die, along with your gigantic ego and self-importance and all your convictions of which you are so damn sure despite not being able to present any evidence apparently, other than the fact that books exist.

And like I said, maybe if we're working with an abstraction to define just what it is we are, "we" may persist in some form, but do you really think that form is you? The human asshole called UniversalShaman, brimming full of death anxiety? If that's the case then we live in a stupid Universe.


EDIT: You will enjoy a week off the Pub for that flamefest. You're a member for 10 years, you REALLY should know better.

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    #15917448 - 03/08/12 01:51 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Ahaahaha, holy fucking shit man, priceless post.:rofldrunk:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15917522 - 03/08/12 02:16 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Allahu Akbar?


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    #15917677 - 03/08/12 03:35 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

:bigjoint:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15917694 - 03/08/12 03:45 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

UniversalShaman, teach us more things. Pontificate a bit on what Truths you have gleaned from the universe. I'm not being facetious. You seem to know what's really going on, so clue us in?

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #15917724 - 03/08/12 04:08 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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UniversalShaman, teach us more things. Pontificate a bit on what Truths you have gleaned from the universe. I'm not being facetious. You seem to know what's really going on, so clue us in?




:House2:

I think death is most likely the cessation of your experience, no afterlife.  People don't seem to exist before they are born, and I think that after you die it's probably back to that state of non-existence.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15917747 - 03/08/12 04:23 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

People's default retort is that "energy is neither created nor destroyed" - but they assume that energy is always conscious, forgetting that consciousness is a composite process. Though the question remains: how can consciousness evolve out of physical processes, which are thought to lack consciousness. But Michael Jordan can give birth to a non-athletic child, so I guess gobbledigook and puppy poop caught the man and swung him 'round by the toes and woes and - Jess! - "let me go."

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #15917813 - 03/08/12 04:59 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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People's default retort is that "energy is neither created nor destroyed" - but they assume that energy is always conscious, forgetting that consciousness is a composite process. Though the question remains: how can consciousness evolve out of physical processes, which are thought to lack consciousness. But Michael Jordan can give birth to a non-athletic child, so I guess gobbledigook and puppy poop caught the man and swung him 'round by the toes and woes and - Jess! - "let me go."




There had to be observers in order for this Universe to exist; therefore, we create the Universe which created us. This tautology is arguably the answer to the question that consciousness posits: "Where did I come from?" You are self-created, hence the teachings of Christ and countless mystics.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #15917824 - 03/08/12 05:05 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

My beliefs come from my experiences, and thus make sense to me on a deep level. However, just cause I believe it doesn't make it so. I could be right.....I could be wrong. Either way, I'm not afraid of it. Death is as natural as life itself. We WILL go on in one form or another, that much is sure. We will retain consciousness of a sort? I say yes. This question can be irrefutably answered, but those that can give us said answers are not here to do so. :shrug:

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles] * 1
    #15917869 - 03/08/12 05:32 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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There had to be observers in order for this Universe to exist; therefore



Hold up...How do you figure?

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dark_Star] * 2
    #15917876 - 03/08/12 05:35 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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We WILL go on in one form or another, that much is sure.



This seems to be the death anxiety-induced mantra of the New Age set. If heat dissipates from a corpse it means fuck all as far as consciousness is concerned.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Viveka]
    #15917901 - 03/08/12 05:44 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Listen to this rambling old fool here, he knows what he's talking about:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Viveka]
    #15917911 - 03/08/12 05:46 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

No, you misunderstood me. I meant "we" as in our atomic makeup. Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed, therefore we WILL go on in some form or another. I did not mean that consciousness was guaranteed.

Now, I believe that consciousness goes on, though a grand scale....not an individual thing. That's due to my experiences though, and not a "fear of death". Honestly I was always more afraid of going on that I was of it all ending. It took me awhile to accept that things might not just end; I was pretty fucking freaked out about it at first.

Those are my beliefs, due to what I've experienced (including being well on my way out of this world due to a heroin overdose) ......that doesn't mean I don't accept that fact that I could be wrong. The reality is, none of us really know shit at the end of the day. All we have are our beliefs, whatever they may be. But the energy/matter that comprises my being will continue to exist. That's a pretty indisputable fact.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #15918059 - 03/08/12 06:42 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I'd love to believe in an afterlife, and sometimes i kind of do. I question things like that too much though, and never come to a conclusion. It's just one of those things i've accepted of not knowing, even though it is one of the most intriguing things to think about. There are endless possibilities.
I've been told the afterlife is just what you make it.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15918117 - 03/08/12 07:01 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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Ahaahaha, holy fucking shit man, priceless post.:rofldrunk:





Its not a priceless post, the price is a 1 week Pub ban for flaming.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Asante]
    #15918153 - 03/08/12 07:09 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

i just read through this thread, some of you get too violent. I wish i was a mod so i could clean the pub up for real. I miss chill conversations about the paranormal, afterlife, all the mysteries of the universe. Theres always gotta be some posters that ruin it though. Really bringing down my vibes guys.

On subject though, honestly i wish i could believe in a god or an afterlife, but something is stopping me. Something that i can't quite put my finger on is telling me it's all BS. I feel one day i'll know the answers though, as i get older.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Legend]
    #15918208 - 03/08/12 07:31 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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On subject though, honestly i wish i could believe in a god or an afterlife, but something is stopping me. Something that i can't quite put my finger on is telling me it's all BS. I feel one day i'll know the answers though, as i get older.




Could it be a reasonable understanding of logic?


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15918222 - 03/08/12 07:36 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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On subject though, honestly i wish i could believe in a god or an afterlife, but something is stopping me. Something that i can't quite put my finger on is telling me it's all BS. I feel one day i'll know the answers though, as i get older.




Could it be a reasonable understanding of logic?



possibly. i don't see it to be illogic to believe in an afterlife though. I see it fitting in with the laws of the universe in a way.  I can tell you right now though, christian ideology is total bullshit.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Legend]
    #15918333 - 03/08/12 08:08 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I really believe in life after death. Thow I have no solid thoughts about what it will be like. I believe in Jesus and the Devil, however I compleatly believe in earth bound spirits. One day I will know the truth.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Viveka]
    #15918413 - 03/08/12 08:44 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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We live forever.

Things have always been here and always will be here, and so are we.



Ok, maybe if you define "We", I could concede that. It would have to be a pretty broad fucking definition of "We" though.

The raging asshole who posts on Shroomery as UniversalShaman will most certainly not live forever though, and thank Eternity for that. Your body and brain will die, along with your gigantic ego and self-importance and all your convictions of which you are so damn sure despite not being able to present any evidence apparently, other than the fact that books exist.

And like I said, maybe if we're working with an abstraction to define just what it is we are, "we" may persist in some form, but do you really think that form is you? The human asshole called UniversalShaman, brimming full of death anxiety? If that's the case then we live in a stupid Universe.


EDIT: You will enjoy a week off the Pub for that flamefest. You're a member for 10 years, you REALLY should know better.





Good, glad to see you got a vacation from your nonsense for posting that vulgar post.

I don't have death anxiety, I await death with open arms, but I am utterly ASTOUNDED at the people who just conclude "there's nothing more to this after we die" simply because that's a notion that involves no thinking! No idealism, no stradegy to existance, merely just "Well, it seems like it's too much to swallow so I'm going to just say that its lights out after this and then I don't have to think about it anymore."

It really appears to me, that there's more death anxiety occuring in the people that say "this is it" than there is myself, nobody wants to die, lets admit it, but truthfully I don't have any death anxiety, LOL that's the stupidest phrase I have ever heard and I've only ever heard it on this forum.

But, from your vulgar posts and your insults towards me, I clearly struck a cord with you.

There is proof, and let me tell you all..

..The brain DOES NOT create reality, saying the brain creates reality and when it dies along with your body is like saying that movies are made inside the tv..

..The box is just waayyy too small.

What the brain does, it limits the focus of consiousness and awareness to what is operationally defined by the body as the here and now, so we can function in this reality, our brains are like antennae, and we just tune into different frequences..

..Read some Mckenna, Sheldrake, Huxley, Wilson, Ott, Strassmen...

..The information is there, if you actually look for it.

And last but not least, take 5-7 grams alone in silent darkness.

Then get back to me.

There's my little tid-bit.

We are eternal beings, trust me, this life is too important and too complex to just be it, that doesn't make sense.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #15918433 - 03/08/12 08:49 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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UniversalShaman, teach us more things. Pontificate a bit on what Truths you have gleaned from the universe. I'm not being facetious. You seem to know what's really going on, so clue us in?




Honestly one of the things I've aqcuired is that we all have our own revelations and own peak moments of understanding that only we can ultimately interpret and understand, about life, ourselves, god, etc.

Usually these revelations come in the form of thoughts that come on so fast that you just end up with the conclusion of all of those thoughts.

This universe, is based on a certain set of laws and variables, and it's one of many, there are other universes out there completely different than ours, not bound by gravity, colour, physical laws, any of that.

There are infinite possibilities, literally, and the thing is once you get going on this rollercoaster of life and its mysteries, it never ends, I thought there'd come a point where I'd read something or figure it out and then that'd be it, but no, it's like this;

The bigger you build the bonfire of understand, the more darkness of mystery you reveal.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I just get so frustrated with people that can't see the big picture.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 2
    #15918443 - 03/08/12 08:50 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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We are eternal beings, trust me, this life is too important and too complex to just be it, that doesn't make sense.




That sounds like death anxiety to the max


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15918456 - 03/08/12 08:54 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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We are eternal beings, trust me, this life is too important and too complex to just be it, that doesn't make sense.




That sounds like death anxiety to the max




Do you even know what Death Anxiety is?

It's a mental disorder in people that have high levels of anxiety associated with fearing dying, in a car accident, at work, getting murdered, thinking they are having a heart attack or can't breathe, i.e. panic attack, THAT'S death anxiety.

I don't even understand people when you respond like that, I guess it shows the naive mindset some of you possess...

"We live forever, there's no reason to be afraid." "YOU'RE SCARED TO DIE YOU HAVE DEATH ANXIETY SHUN YOU."

Illogical fallicy..


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
    #15918490 - 03/08/12 09:02 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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can you prove that there actually is anything beyond the ' physical reality ' ?




That's what all you morons say.

"Can you prove, can you prove, prove, proof."

Get your head out of the cultural norm, beyond materialism.

You seriously think after this it's just lights out and that's all there is too it?

You're fuckin' DUMB.





For what it's worth:

Wiccan Seeker gives Viveka a ten day ban for his post, but UniversalCharlatan can get away with this?

What's the rationale behind that Seeker?

Where's the justice?

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: UnKnownFunGUY]
    #15918494 - 03/08/12 09:05 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I agree with a lot of Christian ideology as it's the culture I grew up in, but the part about heaven and hell just seems like largely unbacked speculation to me personally.

I figure that your consciousness can live on in a sense through other people who you influenced, both in positive and negative ways. But as to what you personally experience when you're fully and truly dead (not just clinically dead which is essentially just a medical judgement call), I can't think of any way that could be proven one way or another. My hunch is that you just cease to experience anything though.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15918510 - 03/08/12 09:10 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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can you prove that there actually is anything beyond the ' physical reality ' ?




That's what all you morons say.

"Can you prove, can you prove, prove, proof."

Get your head out of the cultural norm, beyond materialism.

You seriously think after this it's just lights out and that's all there is too it?

You're fuckin' DUMB.





For what it's worth:

Wiccan Seeker gives Viveka a ten day ban for his post, but UniversalCharlatan can get away with this?

What's the rationale behind that Seeker?

Where's the justice?

:learyharvard:




I was just wondering the same thing.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: psi]
    #15918515 - 03/08/12 09:11 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I was going to make a similar post, but I figured staying out of minor drama in the pub would be in everyone's best interest :lol:

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15918552 - 03/08/12 09:25 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Ah thank you, I didnt catch that. You make moderating easy :sun:

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    #15918566 - 03/08/12 09:28 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Kada]
    #15918572 - 03/08/12 09:29 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Care to explain?

I have the best possible belief of what I feel will happen after death - yet I'm utterly averse to actually dying.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 2
    #15918584 - 03/08/12 09:33 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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We are eternal beings, trust me, this life is too important and too complex to just be it, that doesn't make sense.




That sounds like death anxiety to the max




Do you even know what Death Anxiety is?

It's a mental disorder in people that have high levels of anxiety associated with fearing dying, in a car accident, at work, getting murdered, thinking they are having a heart attack or can't breathe, i.e. panic attack, THAT'S death anxiety.

I don't even understand people when you respond like that, I guess it shows the naive mindset some of you possess...

"We live forever, there's no reason to be afraid." "YOU'RE SCARED TO DIE YOU HAVE DEATH ANXIETY SHUN YOU."

Illogical fallicy..





When you see people posting about death anxiety here they are generally referring to Ernest Becker's brand.  Basically his stance is that death anxiety is a huge drive for us.  Systems like religion are born out of death anxiety, because convincing yourself that you will always exist is comforting when faced with inevitable mortality.

What's illogical about thinking your experience most likely ends with death?  Why is it naive?  Overwhelming evidence suggests your consciousness relies on a functioning brain to exist.  Introducing psychoactive substances alters your consciousness because the brain chemistry is altered.  When your brain stops functioning, what happens to your consciousness?  How does it continue to exist?

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Asante]
    #15918874 - 03/08/12 10:43 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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Care to explain?

I have the best possible belief of what I feel will happen after death - yet I'm utterly averse to actually dying.




That makes sense; death may be beautiful, but so is life. No sense going until you're done here. :shrug:

I don't fear death, but nor do I want to die today.....or for a long time. I still have thangs to do here. :cool:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15918876 - 03/08/12 10:44 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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What's illogical about thinking your experience most likely ends with death?  Why is it naive?  Overwhelming evidence suggests your consciousness relies on a functioning brain to exist.  Introducing psychoactive substances alters your consciousness because the brain chemistry is altered.  When your brain stops functioning, what happens to your consciousness?  How does it continue to exist?




It would be futile to try to prove conclusively that consciousness can't possibly continue after the body is destroyed, because it's always going to be possible to come up with a rationalization that would be virtually impossible to disprove from within our reality (supernatural/magic explanations, parallel universes, reality as we experience it is an elaborate Matrix style illusion etc). On the other hand, I don't really think it's especially close-minded to say that while those scenarios may not be impossible, they just don't appeal to your personal gut feeling of what's plausible.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: psi]
    #15918924 - 03/08/12 10:57 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I wasn't interested in proving anything, just wanted to know what his opinion was and an explanation for the claim of illogical fallacy on my position.


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15918955 - 03/08/12 11:04 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

I wasn't trying to suggest you were, I was just giving my take.

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    #15918990 - 03/08/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Ah, gotcha :thumbup:


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Asante]
    #15919254 - 03/08/12 12:11 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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Ahaahaha, holy fucking shit man, priceless post.:rofldrunk:





Its not a priceless post, the price is a 1 week Pub ban for flaming.



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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: thoughts]
    #15920357 - 03/08/12 03:53 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

alan watts, explaining death beautifully:



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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
    #15953472 - 03/15/12 10:55 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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I don't have death anxiety, I await death with open arms, but I am utterly ASTOUNDED at the people who just conclude "there's nothing more to this after we die" simply because that's a notion that involves no thinking! No idealism, no stradegy to existance, merely just "Well, it seems like it's too much to swallow so I'm going to just say that its lights out after this and then I don't have to think about it anymore."




Perhaps there are those who are committed to a completely material, visceral idea of their lives as biological phenomenon that terminates at death. I'm not committed to such a perspective, (though I don't find it completely unsound from a rational perspective)just like I couldn't ever ascribe to atheism simply because we don't have enough information or perspective to know.

As for holding the belief that we live forever, far beyond just this life, in the interest of having a strategy....strategy for what, the unknown? How can you possibly have a strategy for the unknown? Why do you need to believe you are immortal in order to determine how to live this life?

Because my knowledge and perspective are limited, my working strategy for my life is to operate based on what I confirm, which is that I am a part of a species here on a planet with our own affairs. There are many things we can do in this realm, many potentials to fulfill, even if they are completely arbitrary, I've decided they are worth striving for, even if it's all for naught in the end. There are also many suffering, if our actions can do anything to mitigate this that is a worthwhile effort. If I can contribute something that expands some sort of human tradition, like music, or that makes manifest an unrealized potential I would consider that worth doing.

I don't need to assume things about what happens when this body and human mind reach their end in order to make productive or even idealistic decisions about how to use my time and energy in this life. Why do you?

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"Well, it seems like it's too much to swallow so I'm going to just say that its lights out after this and then I don't have to think about it anymore."



I would argue the opposite. If you've convinced yourself you'll live forever then there's no real urgency to deciding what you will do. I mean shit, why not do it a thousand lifetimes down the road in an alternate universe, you've got nothing but time on your hands right? You don't need to bother thinking about "it" in this life, there's always the next one to bother with "that".

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It really appears to me, that there's more death anxiety occuring in the people that say "this is it" than there is myself, nobody wants to die, lets admit it, but truthfully I don't have any death anxiety, LOL that's the stupidest phrase I have ever heard and I've only ever heard it on this forum.



Those who think "this is it" are at least attempting to face something that is likely from an empirical perspective and unpleasant to the healthy human mind's perspective. They may be experiencing death anxiety because they are trying to come to grips whereas you apparently won't even attempt to empathize with their perspective, and you don't even need to bother considering nothingness and what the implications of that are for the self you seem to hold so dear because you're totally convinced you'll live forever.

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But, from your vulgar posts and your insults towards me, I clearly struck a cord with you.



I was simply tired of seeing every single post from you start with a proclamation about how fucking stupid and pathetic everyone but you is because they don't share your beliefs, so I responded with a similar tone.

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There is proof, and let me tell you all..

..The brain DOES NOT create reality, saying the brain creates reality and when it dies along with your body is like saying that movies are made inside the tv..

..The box is just waayyy too small.

What the brain does, it limits the focus of consciousness and awareness to what is operationally defined by the body as the here and now, so we can function in this reality, our brains are like antennae, and we just tune into different frequencies..



Right, and what if the antenna has a limited life span, yet everything that informed what we thought about who we are and every other possible thing was informed by using that antennae? Why would you think the human personality is somehow greater than or not dependent on the antenna?

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When I did my seven grams in a dry riverbed just north of the Mexican border I thought I would die, and for a moment thought it had happened, then had the most visceral and ethereal rebirthesque experience in memory and got a profound sense of eternity. However this did not convince me that I, the person who presents with this body and mind, would exist for eternity. That would seem to me a very ego-centered perspective. Why is this apparent "I" so important that it should live forever? Why would eternity be a respecter of individuals? What in Mckenna, Sheldrake, Huxley, Wilson, Ott, Strassmen convinced you that what appears to you as you from your current perspective was so all important in the grand scheme of things? Isn't it possible that the you that is so convinced you'll live forever is only significant for this lifetime?


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We are eternal beings, trust me, this life is too important and too complex to just be it, that doesn't make sense.



Going for the Johnny Cochrane defense on living forever?


Sorry, I know that did not make sense.

From what I can tell, and if I had to condense it down, the big flaw in your whole outlook is that you regard your current human perspective as the ultimate perspective from which to consider everything. I don't consider it an impossibility that when I die, there might still be some form of awareness that exists though I would guess it to be of such a nature that I could not even begin to comprehend it from my human perspective.

Our consciousness antennae are only tuned in to a bare sliver of Universe so why would I even think I could begin to make a determination on the fate of this mind that I currently am in possession of, or consider it important from the perspective of eternity? Therefore I will form goals in my life that are relevant to this life. This life is already so incredible and mysterious that it would be extremely presumptuous and arbitrary of me to start claiming knowledge of anything beyond it.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Viveka]
    #15953478 - 03/15/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I think when I die

everything stops

including you

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: trip forever]
    #15953493 - 03/15/12 11:00 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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Nothing. I'll find out when I die, no need to wonder.

We live to die. :cheers:




One quote I like

"If there ever was a reason to live, it'd be to die, now hold still let me wipe that tear from your eye"

i think it's honestly unlikely we go anywhere after we die, but i kinda hope we can live on.  i dunno.  and i don't think anyone can know.  just gotta wait and see :smile:

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: extreme]
    #15954450 - 03/16/12 07:53 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I'm still shaking my head at some of these replies.

Im taking mushrooms tonight, and going into hyperspace, I'll report back with a message from the other side.


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    #15954545 - 03/16/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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I'm still shaking my head at some of these replies.

Im taking mushrooms tonight, and going into hyperspace, I'll report back with a message from the other side.






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    #15955366 - 03/16/12 01:28 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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I'm still shaking my head at some of these replies.

Im taking mushrooms tonight, and going into hyperspace, I'll report back with a message from the other side.




I like your sig :smile:

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OUCH!

Fall from the sky onto a metal fence?  Did Jesus drop her from Heaven or something?  :smilingpuppy:

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Around In Circles]
    #15955390 - 03/16/12 01:32 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

You forgot death anxiety and all that malarky too.

LOL it's just this forum, that most people have very narrow-minded views of their own existance.



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    #15955461 - 03/16/12 01:49 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

You can find narrow-minded people anywhere if that's what you're looking for. :strokebeard: But from what I saw in this thread, it seems like a lot of people who doubt that individual consciousness can continue after the nervous system ceases all function didn't claim to be absolutely certain that their hunch is correct. I don't see that as an overly narrow-minded position.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru]
    #15955464 - 03/16/12 01:50 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

when you die you become fully awake. you will be the real being you were hidden inside a physical body on earth. you will be beyond timespace and be free of thought as such and be understanding instead of trying to understand. you will see physical reality all at once. you know you will need to go back to earth to learn so you pick a life on earth that will go through lessons you have to learn. you will see how you will live and die, what will happen to you and what horrors and pleasures you will endure. then you manifest in the spirit form in a cell that is the product of humans fucking. you are chained then into the physical vody because entities need to manifest in a form on this planet to experience 3d reality. once in the body we will "forget" our true form because the point of existence is to learn and become more "pure" in the sense of muddy rain water turning clearer each time its put through a filter.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #15955606 - 03/16/12 02:24 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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when you die you become fully awake. you will be the real being you were hidden inside a physical body on earth. you will be beyond timespace and be free of thought as such and be understanding instead of trying to understand. you will see physical reality all at once. you know you will need to go back to earth to learn so you pick a life on earth that will go through lessons you have to learn. you will see how you will live and die, what will happen to you and what horrors and pleasures you will endure. then you manifest in the spirit form in a cell that is the product of humans fucking. you are chained then into the physical vody because entities need to manifest in a form on this planet to experience 3d reality. once in the body we will "forget" our true form because the point of existence is to learn and become more "pure" in the sense of muddy rain water turning clearer each time its put through a filter.

thats my opinion on it.




the spiritual belief part of it is more of an opinion/belief

but the first part is pretty much exactly the truth of it all as far as i can tell :thumbup:

it's really a question of consciousness.  do we keep it when our body ceases to function?  the things that make us what we are will never leave - the atoms that make our body have been around since the beginning and will live to the end.  Billions of years old.  After our bodies die, our bodies still remain.  They will eventually decay, but the they will go into something else.

We've all been stars and shit at one point and probably will be again.

10,000 generations ago we were all field mice or something :laugh:

we don't usually think of our ancestors past a couple hundred years tho.  when i consider evolution, if it's real, it is funny to think about your ancestors and shit back before you were human.  those two amoebas fucking and passing on their genes is part of the reason you are here, experiencing life the exact way you are now.  or are amoebas asexual?  well then we started that way, and when amoebas evolved in to multicellular organisms our little fishy ancestors would do it their way.


honestly creation of life is the real miracle of all to me.. the only thing that makes an afterlife seem possible is the fact that we already have LIFE right now.  even we need to abide by the laws of physics - but the intricacies of our bodies at this point is absolutely mind blowing.  It's sad so many people live lives only seeing such a small portion of the beauty because if you just stop and think sometimes.. well it makes me just wanna cry to be alive

this is how i view life



not enough do we look inside.  but it's incredible.

"the chance to be, alive and breathing"
"this body holding me reminds me of my own mortality, embrace this moment, remember, we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"

this might be my favorite music vid of all time. after the leaf turns into the glowing eye when he says illusion, and enters his body, i get shivers like every time



but yea i was raised Lutheran and Jesus is like my God, the God-Man, that bridged perfection and being human.  The idea of Jesus has shaped me into a person that is very courteous and caring, and tries to put others before me.  I also recently learned that my personality type is the same as Jesus' for whatever that's worth.  I feel like most religions, in some way, attempt to do make people more giving/selfless.  Just make people less selfish.  ....Or religion is the best mind-control tactic ever, again I don't know.  That's a whole new route of debate we could take if we wanted :tongue:

i just leave an open mind for religion - but i fully believe in love and it's power, and i sometimes see that as almost supernatural, as it can be seen that love isn't absolutely necessary for the universe to function

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: extreme]
    #15955694 - 03/16/12 02:45 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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the spiritual belief part of it is more of an opinion/belief




everything related to the possibility of life after death is a spiritual belief or an opinon. only those who have died and come back know whats going on.


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    #15955769 - 03/16/12 02:58 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

don't take my whole post out of context because of that, i was just sayin'

remember i like 99% agree with your views and beliefs here. and the 1% difference is just my opinion, just like you have yours

that's why i'm such a fence-sitter lol.  i'll NEVER claim to know

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: extreme]
    #15956028 - 03/16/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

i havnt learned enough about the universe in my 21 years to make a good judgement
my orignal thought was that there is simply nothing after death.... (which im not 100% sure on)

but even if thats the case and my consciousness does cease to exist, im more than happy to give my physical body back to the earth and trees etc....:smile:
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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: spazmodog]
    #15958388 - 03/17/12 03:28 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

When we make love, we pass on a ourselves in seminal form, this in turn fertilizes an egg, which comes from a female, so...

..We live an endless physical life of the addition of our ancestors memories, fears, beliefs, and ideas, as long as our species progresses.

If we die out, then we go to somewhere else, deeper, beyond the imagination.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru]
    #15958415 - 03/17/12 03:56 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

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When we make love, we pass on a ourselves in seminal form, this in turn fertilizes an egg, which comes from a female, so...

..We live an endless physical life of the addition of our ancestors memories, fears, beliefs, and ideas, as long as our species progresses.

If we die out, then we go to somewhere else, deeper, beyond the imagination.

Death, the beginning of a new beginning




Thank you Captain Rehash; and you said the replies in this thread were head-shake worthy.

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    #15958467 - 03/17/12 04:50 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

I do agree with some of the things youve said universalshaman.

Here's my take,
If there are parallel universes then I think they're being made possible from ourselves and our universe being recycled into these parallel universes.

Stars in our universe explode and eventually make new stars and planets from the debris..what's to say our lives can't behave the same?
All of this, as far as I can tell, is just endless chemical reactions taking place.
Think of a fractal universe(s) with different levels of awareness that keep recycling.


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    #15959383 - 03/17/12 12:21 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

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When we make love, we pass on a ourselves in seminal form, this in turn fertilizes an egg, which comes from a female, so...

..We live an endless physical life of the addition of our ancestors memories, fears, beliefs, and ideas, as long as our species progresses.

If we die out, then we go to somewhere else, deeper, beyond the imagination.

Death, the beginning of a new beginning




Thank you Captain Rehash; and you said the replies in this thread were head-shake worthy.

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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru]
    #15959429 - 03/17/12 12:38 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Did you just use "clown" as a derogatory term?
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UniversalShaman said:
When we make love, we pass on a ourselves in seminal form, this in turn fertilizes an egg, which comes from a female, so...

..We live an endless physical life of the addition of our ancestors memories, fears, beliefs, and ideas, as long as our species progresses.

If we die out, then we go to somewhere else, deeper, beyond the imagination.

Death, the beginning of a new beginning




Thank you Captain Rehash; and you said the replies in this thread were head-shake worthy.

:facepalm:




Your welcome, clown.




It's you're, you *****.

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    #15961254 - 03/17/12 08:58 PM (12 years, 13 days ago)

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UniversalShaman said:
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BrainFood said:
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UniversalShaman said:
When we make love, we pass on a ourselves in seminal form, this in turn fertilizes an egg, which comes from a female, so...

..We live an endless physical life of the addition of our ancestors memories, fears, beliefs, and ideas, as long as our species progresses.

If we die out, then we go to somewhere else, deeper, beyond the imagination.

Death, the beginning of a new beginning




Thank you Captain Rehash; and you said the replies in this thread were head-shake worthy.

:facepalm:




Your welcome, clown.




It's you're, you *******.

:awehigh:




Maybe I was talking to "his" welcomeness, that justifies the use of "your" over "you're"


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Re: What do you think about death? Afterlife? [Re: AmazonianGuru] * 1
    #15961371 - 03/17/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Ya know, if you had posted just your views on the topic without the extra commentary on how mind-numbingly wrong you figured everyone else was, there might have been a lot less of this infighting crap to sift through in the thread.

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