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xdatax
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colonization/early pinning question with pics
#15853076 - 02/23/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I understand that this has been threaded/discussed numerous times and out of consideration I have exhausted those resources (or at least I think I have) and only now am I posting a thread because I am unsure how to continue after reading conflicting advice. THE PROBLEM: I have two BRF jars that I inoculated on the 21st of January, which have yet to fully colonize, but have started a few pins/mushrooms around the dry verm. layer. The jars do not show any visible signs of contamination, three days ago I flipped them upside down, it appears that they maybe continuing to colonize, but if so, very slowly. I'm saying that it maybe continuing to colonize because, (please correct me if wrong, as I am a neophyte to cultivation)it seems to me that the stringy, spidey-web, like growth moves towards the non-colonized substrate and then fills in. I can see such growth towards the bottom (now the top since it's flipped) where as the rest of the jar is more solid without distinguishable shoots/webs.
THE QUESTION: I realize my mistakes in the process, the first of which was using the tall 1/2 pint jars, but more importantly I'm also fairly certain the reason it started to pin was bc I opened the jars once (which I now know is a mistake since it inhibits air exchange). I also learned that contamination maybe the issue, which is prohibiting further colonization and thus initiating pinning, but as stated there is no VISIBLE contam. I am more concerned with how I should proceed rather than what caused it. Other threads each had numerous conflicting responses and whether to wait/hope for colonization or birthing the cake and washing off the parts not colonized. Also, whether to remove the pins before dunking and rolling, leaving them on for the D&R or to birth and not dunk and roll. If anyone knowledgeable or anyone who had this experience could share their methods and outcome, it would be greatly appreciated. I figured bc all the posts are fairly old, I think the most recent was 2009, that there maybe new insight. I thank you for your time and help



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xdatax
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Re: colonization/early pinning question with pics [Re: xdatax]
#15911723 - 03/06/12 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok so although there were no replies, I decided to give an update so that it may help someone else seeking the same answers. I did birth the cakes, washed/brushed off what I could of the area not colonized. I decided to take RR's and others' advice and left all the pins/growth in tact for the dunk (tho many ppl on the message-board have suggested to others, to remove them). I left them submerged btwn 18-24 hrs and then gently rolled in verm (in parts with bigger growth i more like threw some verm. on). Anyway, everything worked out. One of the jars had a mushroom which formed and grew to about 1" invitro; it not only survived the dunk, it thrived afterwards. I attached some pics of this cake over a 24 hr period (starting 2 days after being put in FC)The mushroom which started invitro went on to get so big that it actually began pulling the entire cake down. Hope this helps or can be of some enjoyment to someone -thanks







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Re: colonization/early pinning question with pics [Re: xdatax] 1
#15912305 - 03/07/12 01:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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xdatax said: Hope this helps or can be of some enjoyment to someone
It has (brought enjoyment.) Thanks
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Re: colonization/early pinning question with pics [Re: Staplerhead] 1
#15912436 - 03/07/12 02:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i know how it feels this section is always flooded with grow logs and dumb shit that shouldnt be here and i admit i used to be a part of it but yah sometimes i just wanna
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xdatax
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Re: colonization/early pinning question with pics [Re: punkrocker292004]
#15921705 - 03/08/12 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah well all you can is contribute positively and keep your side of the street clean
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Re: colonization/early pinning question with pics [Re: xdatax]
#15921784 - 03/08/12 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had searched for the answer to why pinning occurs before full colonization, with no luck...so I asked Mister Roger Rabbit...this was his reply...this should help clear things up a little
"Full colonization means full colonization of the available substrate, thus if part of the substrate is contaminated, full colonization is reached when the mushroom mycelium reaches this natural barrier. That's why pins often form when the substrate isn't fully 'white'. RR"
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