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First Timer all round & near hitting a panic
#15903875 - 03/05/12 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Greetings all. First time poster & first time attempt at growing. Followed PFTek last night & did the substrate prep. This morning I realized I layered the substrate with PERLITE instead of Vermiculite. Someone please tell me I haven't totally f@cked up my efforts. Haven't inoculated yet. Was going to do so tonight but will hold off until someone can advise me.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15903881 - 03/05/12 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good thing you haven't inoculated yet. You definitely need to mix up some new substrate, you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.
If you're referring exclusively to the top layer, you want dry vermiculite to act as a filter. Perlite is too large to perform this function, methinks.
Edited by Sma (03/05/12 02:10 PM)
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Sma]
#15904123 - 03/05/12 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea, best to try again. trial & error is what creates an experienced grower .
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Sma] 1
#15904248 - 03/05/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sma said: Good thing you haven't inoculated yet. You definitely need to mix up some new substrate, you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.
If you're referring exclusively to the top layer, you want dry vermiculite to act as a filter. Perlite is too large to perform this function, methinks.
The top layer is neither for absorbing or holding on to moisture in your jar. The Verm you mixed into the BRF does that. The sole purpose of the top layer of vermiculite is to create a contamination barrier.
And size of the Verm or Perlite is a moot point. I have seen some pretty large chunks of Vermiculite, much larger than most pieces of perlite.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: crimsondrac]
#15904268 - 03/05/12 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah dun get down on urself mistakes happen think positive atleast u were smart enuff to ask before innoculating
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: dragonnreeferr]
#15904387 - 03/05/12 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bugger it. Ok so I need to redo is the general consensus. So there's no way of salvaging what I've done & re PCing it...?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15904421 - 03/05/12 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mojoraisin said: Bugger it. Ok so I need to redo is the general consensus. So there's no way of salvaging what I've done & re PCing it...?
Not unless you can pick out all that Perlite
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: nynole]
#15904443 - 03/05/12 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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don't listen to these guys, you are only talking about the filter layer being perlite, yes? the actual brf has verm.? then it's 100% fine keep going
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
#15904509 - 03/05/12 04:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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SomeGuy said: don't listen to these guys, you are only talking about the filter layer being perlite, yes? the actual brf has verm.? then it's 100% fine keep going
if this is the case, dump the perlite "filter layer" out and pour plain vermiculite in place of it. might want to re-steam or pressure cook it, though.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Munchauzen]
#15904544 - 03/05/12 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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SomeGuy said: don't listen to these guys, you are only talking about the filter layer being perlite, yes? the actual brf has verm.? then it's 100% fine keep going
if this is the case, dump the perlite "filter layer" out and pour plain vermiculite in place of it. might want to re-steam or pressure cook it, though.
better yet, don't do shit, matter of fact, it's been done with perlite hundreds of times
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: crimsondrac]
#15904881 - 03/05/12 05:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sma said: Good thing you haven't inoculated yet. You definitely need to mix up some new substrate, you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.
If you're referring exclusively to the top layer, you want dry vermiculite to act as a filter. Perlite is too large to perform this function, methinks.
The top layer is neither for absorbing or holding on to moisture in your jar. The Verm you mixed into the BRF does that. The sole purpose of the top layer of vermiculite is to create a contamination barrier.
That's what I said in the second part of my post, yo. You quoted it.
Edited by Sma (03/05/12 05:47 PM)
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
#15905201 - 03/05/12 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I'm still in with a fighting chance then...? Jars have got a 1/2-3/4" layer of relatively fine dry Perlite covering the substrate. Give me the go-ahead & I'll shoot them up.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15905756 - 03/05/12 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
#15905822 - 03/05/12 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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GO-AHEAD!! like SomeGuy said its been done hundreds of times man you CAN use either,perlite is cheaper atleast around here, i see it a waste to use verm as it just gets trashed when jars are birthed, although i have baked and reused it in the past,but thats a different story, i say save the verm for your mix,i use crushed perlite exclusively nowadays with your grow
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15905902 - 03/05/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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do a search in the search engine, i recently saw a post of someone using perlite as a top layer in shooter and it worked, i would not waste my efforts, time and materials. simply cover the holes with micropore tape as an extra precaution, it'll be fine.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: shangrila]
#15905934 - 03/05/12 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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people who use awild bird seed, or rye berries don't use a vermiculite barrier, they simply place polyfill in the center hole of the lid or micopore tape over inoculation holes. once again, innoc, tape and let em do their thing. you'll just learn from this experience as well as many others, have fun.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: shangrila]
#15905968 - 03/05/12 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sma said: you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.
i beg to differ, if the verm was wicking up moisture the standard mix for the pf ratio would be off, making jars too dry perlite will not release moisture if it has never been moistened itself
P.S. shangrila that was my post you speak of
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15906293 - 03/05/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, I'm in good hands here I see. Thanks to everyone for helping a newbie out. I'll keep you posted.
One more question...for now: er...how do I set up an avatar???
Edited by mojoraisin (03/05/12 09:36 PM)
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15906362 - 03/05/12 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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go to PICS,click UPLOAD PICS, DOWNLOAD a pic,afterwards there will be a option that say SET AS AVATAR under the pic,click that
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15906423 - 03/05/12 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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cubes4cancer said: go to PICS,click UPLOAD PICS, DOWNLOAD a pic,afterwards there will be a option that say SET AS AVATAR under the pic,click that
your next question will be how to COPY pics to your POSTS once your pics are DOWNLOADED, there will be a text of the pics code under the pic,click that, is will say COPIED, from there go to your THREAD and click as if you were goin to REPLY, RIGHT CLICK and PASTE the pic im a mind reader since your wondering
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15906478 - 03/05/12 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok cubes, let's try this out....

'kin A.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15906534 - 03/05/12 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice  funny how i had to make a post on how to do this like last week,lol looks like you got it down now if you got a camera take some pics of those jars of yours when they start to take off! keep us updated with the progress,remember..
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15906662 - 03/05/12 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That I will, mate. No doubt I'll have more questions as I go along. Suffering from info overload right now after cramming in as much as I could find from these forums since joining. Best I should keep it simple at this stage so I'll definitely be calling on you guys. Thanks for the help.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15906971 - 03/05/12 11:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mojoraisin said: Bugger it. Ok so I need to redo is the general consensus. So there's no way of salvaging what I've done & re PCing it...?
Depends... have you mixed it with the BRF also or did you only put a DRY PERL LAYER on it ?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#15907840 - 03/06/12 07:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nope, my substrate is sound. Only a dry layer of fine perlite covering it. Speaking of which, I used medium & fine verm for the substrate. The fine made a sticky mix (probably the gypsum) which shouldn't be a problem, right?
So tonight I'll inoculate, a 1st time operation for me. Kitchen is too much of an open plan to feel safe in. Maybe I'll do it in the bathroom. Feel free to advise, folks.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15907911 - 03/06/12 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm normally you take medium fine verm for cakes because they allow for better gas exchange. If it's too fine it will just clump together. The substrate should be a bit aerate. When the verm is too coarse, the verm's surface is not big enough to adsorb all the flour and the flour alone will clump (own experience). You should look for it on the board.
I think you can still gently spoon out the perlite, then the substrate (because you might have pressed the sub down while spooning out the perlite), then fluff up the substrate once again and load again. As long as you sterilize it afterwards you should be alright (In the video they touch it with their hands to make sure field capacity).
Try to remember wiping down the edges of the jars with a kitchen towell before putting a dry verm layer on it. Ah watch the videos lol.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#15908763 - 03/06/12 11:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a concern. I ran out of medium & finished off with fine. Will it work?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15908971 - 03/06/12 12:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mojoraisin said: Its a concern. I ran out of medium & finished off with fine. Will it work?
Shouldn't be a prob at all
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Mongoose32216]
#15909280 - 03/06/12 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally have used perlite to mix with BFR before when I couldn't find verm and used it as a top layer. Everything turned out great. So what was the downfall? The downfall was that after sterilizing, most of the BRF mudded up on the bottom of the jars because the perlite repelled it with the water. Although this worked, and worked good, using perlite as substrate instead of verm is not a good method. as for using it as a dry top filter, it's was also not a problem, just be careful when you inoculate. Especially if you have the top layer tight against the lid because your needle will puncture the perlite and will clog your needle, making you have to force out the perlite with the plunger and waist unnecessary MS. Trust me! It happened to me. Altogether, I ended up with a very good three flushes, per jar, casing each jar in foil trays. Hope this helps
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: DX2R]
#15918187 - 03/08/12 07:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, so I haven't inoculated yet. The jars are stashed in a dark cupboard all taped up & with the foil cover still in place from the PC'ing. Reason being that I've been reading here & the popular concensus is that you inoculate in a glove box, which I don't have. Even though the PFTek doesn't mention a GB. So I'll slap one together this weekend & do the inoc then. Think I read somewhere that stashing the cakes for a few days after PC'ing is good practise in case there is contam so you don't lose spore solution.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15918956 - 03/08/12 11:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mojoraisin said: Ok, so I haven't inoculated yet. The jars are stashed in a dark cupboard all taped up & with the foil cover still in place from the PC'ing. Reason being that I've been reading here & the popular concensus is that you inoculate in a glove box, which I don't have. Even though the PFTek doesn't mention a GB. So I'll slap one together this weekend & do the inoc then. Think I read somewhere that stashing the cakes for a few days after PC'ing is good practise in case there is contam so you don't lose spore solution.
after pc'ing there is no contams soon as it cools it is a perfect breeding ground for them if they get in. i wouldn't recommend taking them out of the pressure cooker at least if you are going to store them. first come first served when it comes to your sub dont want a contam beating your myc to the meal
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15938679 - 03/12/12 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, so its a done deal inoculating at long last after building a static air box according to various teks I found here. Not without incident either after setting my hand (with latex glove) on fire twice & filling 2 fingers of glove up with blood ofter inoculating myself first Didn't notice it at first until syringe & various shite was covered in blood.
Inoc'd in the bathroom after spraying & rubbing down with Lysol & alcohol with HEPA running. Forgot to turn HEPA off until a few jars into the inoc. Scrubbed down hands with Germ-X & 90% alcohol periodically between jars. Flamed needle outside of box. Also cut tape outside of box. Felt like I had no f@cking idea what I was doing most of the time. 
So what's with the masking tape covering holes during PC'ing? Tried removing that before inocing then said f@ck it, too much hassle & inoc's thru tape, put another tape cover on, sprayed newly taped lids with alcohol, sprayed reused foil covers (used during PC) & replaced on jars before stashing. Am I doing alright so far? Feel free to set me straight, good folks.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
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mojoraisin said: So what's with the masking tape covering holes during PC'ing? Tried removing that before inocing then said f@ck it, too much hassle & inoc's thru tape, [...]
Are you actually doing PF Tek? Then I'd suppose you only tape the wholes after inoculation. They do it in RR's mushroom videos. Funny read. Though I appreciate your attempt to go by the t.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984] 1
#15938984 - 03/12/12 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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in my experience you cover the holes to make sure water doesn't get in. I always did inoculate through the tape. If that is more masking tape you put on there, after inoculation, you need to take it back off, the cakes need a liitle air, and the slits caused by the needle will do the trick, but you don't want the holes taaped up.(if it is micropore tape, it will be alright, GE can still occur(gas exchange)
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#15943886 - 03/13/12 08:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hope I was following the PFTek. Don't know why I taped them for PCing. I'm sure I read it somewhere or saw a pic but I've read a bunch & versions don't always agree. I did retape with band aid this time (already sterilized ) after inoc but I'll read up some more tonight & maybe remove it. There's a few things I still need to purchase like micropore tape, tyvek sleeves etc.
So here's what I did after inoc. I retaped holes with band aid, sprayed lids with alcohol & sprayed foil covers with alcihol. So when I check incubation chamber now I almost pass out from alcohol fumes. This won't mess with my substrate development...or will it? Or should I remove foil covers?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15959146 - 03/17/12 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So its almost 5 days & no evidence of mycelium or any other growth in the jars. Yesterday I removed the tape covering the 4 holes & replaced the foil cover. Temp has been hovering between 78 & 82 deg. I was hoping to see something by now or is this first-timer anxiety I'm suffering from...?
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anxiety...sometimes it's been known to take up to 14 days
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
#15959210 - 03/17/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What I thought. Think I'll go slot a few instead on this fine spring day & just allow Lady Nature to take care of Herself....for now.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15982648 - 03/22/12 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pics taken on 22nd, 2 days after myc outbreak. Checked today again & 3 jars have no signs of nothing. Did I maybe short change those jars? If nothing shows by the weekend I'll re-inoc with leftovers. 11 jars in all. Managed 9 jars with one syringe & opened up a new one for the last 2 jars. Those 2 are going crazy !
the incubation:


Signs of LIFE !

pics not the best. Gotta figure a way of getting better ones.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15983889 - 03/22/12 10:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sweet man good job,yeah it might not be such a bad idea to renocc those three that dont have any action,no growth is some times from lack of moisture content,you could also afford to take the tin foil off your jars as long as your dry verm layer is there,helps with GE and speedy colonization
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15984696 - 03/23/12 06:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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looking good
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15986587 - 03/23/12 04:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cubes4cancer said: you could also afford to take the tin foil off your jars as long as your dry verm layer is there,helps with GE and speedy colonization
do this without a doubt.
the tinfoil is not supposed to be left on, regardless of what anyone else has ever said...
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15987223 - 03/23/12 07:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, so I'll remove the foil & re-inoc the 3 jars with no growth. I cased with Perlite instead of Verm (newbie mistake) but everything seems sound. About the 3 no-grows...what if they are lacking in moisture? Can I remedy that at this stage? Sounds risky. I followed the PFTek to a tee. Ran out of medium verm halfway thru & finished off with fine. Would that require more water, being finer?
Thanks for everyone's input. 
Edit: Just ran a check & only 2 jars now show no-gro So I'll re-inoc those 2. I think my inoc tek needs upgrading. Noticed that mostly 1-2 sometimes 3 of my inoc ports took. Any suggestions...?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15987374 - 03/23/12 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If it has been just a week since inoculation I'd leave those two just like they are. Maybe you shot them up with less spore solution so they take longer. Just wait. Re-inoculating is just not a good method.
Think I have lost track of your growing activities ^^.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said: ....Think I have lost track of your growing activities ^^.
Not much of a track record since this is my 1st time. Initial panic was 'screwing up' by casing with dry Perlite instead of Verm but as you can see by pics all's well except for the 2/11 jars showing no colonization so far. So all's well to the point that I'm considering starting another batch while this one runs its course. On 2nd thoughts I'll probably wait & observe the fruiting process first. But this is FUN, man !


Note Perlite casing. Does anyone know if it wicks more moisture than Verm...?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15989303 - 03/24/12 10:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice pics. In the pic below, the right one, that looks like myc. the left one I'm not too sure, could be the light, could be a little less rhizomorphic.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#15989482 - 03/24/12 11:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it almost certainly wicks less than vermiculite. Verm has a really porus surface and all of the tiny holes draw moisture in through capallary action, less porus, less water retention. In the sceme of pf tek, it's not even a noticable amount either way.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#15989610 - 03/24/12 11:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said: Nice pics. In the pic below, the right one, that looks like myc. the left one I'm not too sure, could be the light, could be a little less rhizomorphic. 
I'll keep an eye on it. Does seem a little denser but there's no unwanted odors yet.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16010426 - 03/28/12 07:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the record all's well. Here's today's pics.


Now this one does seem dense & slow. Maybe too dry...? If that is the case what's the cure?

A question for the pros. So what is the "BEST" fruiting chamber? I've read up on several & the Shotgun seems like the popular choice. But that thing is peppered with holes & we have 5% humidity here. Won't that suck the humidity out? I'm thinking a closed pod with air strips & heater or something along that line. But I'll accept whatever advise you guys have got to give. Thanks
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16010663 - 03/28/12 08:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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starting to look real nice,congrats!! if you think your jars are just crawling along or stalling,take a fine point sharpie and outline the current growth in the jar or jars in question,then give it a week and check on the rate of growth.
if you can fruit with a SGFC in a relatively small room a good humidifier would help you keep the RH more like normal,fruiting around 75 degrees would be fine,since you mentioned a heater for the tub.
any other thoughts plp?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
#16044858 - 04/04/12 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks C4C ! Getting close, folks ! Some jars fully covered & re-inocs catching up so I'll need to build the FC soon.


Invested in the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" DVD set. I'll check it out again but what's with drilling the *bottom* of the chamber full of holes? What help is that if its sitting on a tray to catch any leakage? Not sure that I'm in agreement but then I'm the nOOb around here. Still concerned about fluctuating temps & low humidity. I'm burning pellet stove in my utility room which further dries air out. I'm thinking I still need to apply heat to the FC. Been looking at Poorman's Pod & wonder if this would work better under these conditions? But I am definitely open to professional advice so please straighten me out here, folks. I'll get moving on the FC this weekend.
Gracias !
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16044930 - 04/04/12 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mojoraisin said: Thanks C4C ! Getting close, folks ! Some jars fully covered & re-inocs catching up so I'll need to build the FC soon.


Invested in the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" DVD set. I'll check it out again but what's with drilling the *bottom* of the chamber full of holes? What help is that if its sitting on a tray to catch any leakage?
Put something (little blocks of wood, NES cartridges, etc) under the chamber to lift it off the tray. That way air can enter via the bottom of the chamber. More air going thru the perlite leads to more humidity in the chamber.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: MettaNaut]
#16081646 - 04/12/12 06:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the record, dunked 5 of my 11 cakes that were going in vitro last night & also knocked a Shotgun together. Need to finish it off now then I'll set the cakes in place. A 106 Qt/100l Sterilite. That's a lot of holes, man. Hope this box isn't too big. Didn't read deep enough to see if there was a preferred size for the SG. Will report back later.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16081660 - 04/12/12 06:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The only thing you need to worry about with a bigger SGFC is making sure you have enough perlite. At the same time you don't need a 4 foot long SGFC for 10 cakes lol. It's all about a balance and how many cakes you intend to put in it.
Good call on waiting for invitro pins before dunking btw, I always recommend this to people new to the PF TEK.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: VaeVictum]
#16081770 - 04/12/12 06:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cant wait to see how things turn out for ya!
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: VaeVictum]
#16082597 - 04/12/12 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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VaeVictum said: ....At the same time you don't need a 4 foot long SGFC for 10 cakes lol. ....

Ha ! I got big plans, my man. Got about 4" perlite in it.
Check it out. Rest of my cakes still incubating as you can see.

100l Shotgun.


Mmmmm. Maybe a smaller one would've been more manageable. Took half a sack of perlite.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16103838 - 04/17/12 08:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kinda messed up my prgress reports a bit here by spreading them between 2 threads. Didn't do a diary so this is it. At any rate, here's the latest. Birthed these in vitros around 21h30 on 04/12 after a 18-20 hr soak. So far 3 cakes are fruiting.

Two on right were birthed last night after about an 18 hr soak.

Good spray in morning then another about 11 hrs later after work. In the evening I spray the bejeezuz out of that box 4-5 times, 1/2 a bottle at a time keeps perlite soaked as well. RH at 80% after sitting for the day. Temp about 65-68F from oil heater. Impressed with SG...as everyone warned I'd be.
So how's my progress after 4 days ? Not a whole bunch but they're there.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16103884 - 04/17/12 08:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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aww yeah boi!! their coming for sure,all in do time my friend. another few flushes down the road and you will have enough to take you to places of wonder and enlightenment
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
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There is another question I was meaning to ask. What about lighting? I had this arrangement with 2 fluorescent tubes rigged this weekend & then removed it because I don't know what damage it might do. It could add a little heat but then it might dry out my shrooms after an 11 hr bake without spray. Not sure what to do here. My chamber is kinda behind a corner so it doesn't get any strong light.

Any pointers...?
PS. I think I might be breaking posting etiquette here by posting this question. Is that right ?
4. Do not bump your own thread for at least 24 hours. It's not fair to the other posters to have your thread constantly bumped to the top. Violators will have their thread deleted.
Seems like that's what this means. Apologies to all if I am & if I am I'll make sure I don't do it again.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
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nah, you're alright. Bumping your own thread refers to back-to-back posts by you. If someone responds, then you are good to go. I doubt that fluerescent light is going to dry it out too much, they aren't that hot anyway
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
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glad to see everything is working out for you, nothing is better than seeing fruits for your first time
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16115630 - 04/20/12 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not sure if I should be posting these questions in a new thread but this thread is pretty much my official record keeper since I didn't start a note book.
I have some major concerns & questions here. I'll post the pics as well. Let me try to spell out my situation here.
I mist once in the morning then next about 11 hrs later. Once I'm home I mist the bejeezuz out of that box, half a bottle at a time about 3-4 times over the next 4 hrs before bed. Is this OTT ? Each time I fan the box with a magazine for about a minute or less.
This was 04/18. I already picked the big one.

As you can see there's no great pinning activity. Why...? Am I misting too heavily too often in the evening ?

Hygro after 11 hrs without misting....

Temp hovers between 62-67. Started putting the light back on for that 11 hours.

As I said, apart from a few fruits no great pinning going on. That one on the left seems stunted. Maybe an abort...?



Ok, so this is my off Friday. Here's what greeted me this morning. FC was picking up direct sunlight so I pulled the plug on that. I think temp was 67.

This morning I put a fan in the box for 5 mins.

So here's my concern. I'm either doing too much or too little...or maybe a bit of both that is stopping a decent flush. By what I've just posted can anyone advise me on what it I'm doing wrong ?
Gracias !
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
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Which sgfc tek did u read that said put a fan in the fc?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SimpleFarmer]
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I'm not The leading expert but I'll tell you what I think; 1. Yes you are going a little too heavy on the misting at night. The cakes need evaporation to innitiate pinning, and if you are soaking them down that hard, water isn't going to evaporate very fast 2. your verm. on the outside is pretty weak. The verm. makes a "microclimate" between each piece and thats what helps create prolific pinning, but your verm. is a little thin. There's some tricks, I could tell you 3. it's MS right?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
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SomeGuy said: I'm not The leading expert but I'll tell you what I think; 1. Yes you are going a little too heavy on the misting at night. The cakes need evaporation to innitiate pinning, and if you are soaking them down that hard, water isn't going to evaporate very fast 2. your verm. on the outside is pretty weak. The verm. makes a "microclimate" between each piece and thats what helps create prolific pinning, but your verm. is a little thin. There's some tricks, I could tell you 3. it's MS right?
1. Alright. I'll ease up on the misting a bit. 2. It had verm on to begin with but it washes off. Yes Please ! I'm all up for some tricks. I'm taking this stuff pretty seriously. I done beer brewing & wine making & was one of the best at it in our tasting club. I have a natural knack once I get the hang of it. 3. Huh...? No man, I don't suffer from that.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
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MS means "multi-spore" IE you used a spore syringe to inoculate, as opposed to a liquid culture. There are so many different genetics iin there that 2 mushrooms side by side would have completely different genetics. It doesn't often help the pinset. Here's what I do. Take the cake out of the dunk, and shake the loose water off. I put the verm in a big bowl. Lay the cake in on it's side and turn it, like you would rub butter on a corn ear. If there appears to be a thin spot, take a pinch of verm. and pet it on the spot. Put it in the fc, but DO NOT mist it AT ALL for 24 hours. After 24 hours, the mycelium has a better grip on it and it won't fall off(very much) if you mist before 24 hours, a bunch will fall off
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
#16115837 - 04/20/12 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SomeGuy said: MS means "multi-spore" IE you used a spore syringe to inoculate, as opposed to a liquid culture....
Ok, yes, its MS. I got 2 strains in there, the one only added recently. I still got some jars that are colonizing that I'll add soon. So I'll use your D&R suggestion. Thanks ! Can I patch up my current ones ?
Right ! So check this out. I moved my FC closer to a sunlight source.


Cakes are not in direct sunlight. Kinda just on the edge but I'll need to watch them.
The caps of those 2 shrooms are still soaked from this morning's misting so I reckon that condensation is pretty slow. Hopefully this might help a little.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
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thats pretty bright light, IMO. Do you have a white sheet to hang over that window, diffuse the light a little? Maybe some mini blinds? I wouldn't try to patch your cakes, I'd just wait until you are ready to redunk them. Usually, one would wash the old verm of(under running tap water, with a gentle rubbing by the palm of your hand) soak 24 and re-roll anyway, so you'll get it fixed up then
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SimpleFarmer]
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Get that fan out of there, its just gunna blow contams around in there. your starting to over think it a lil. ease up on the fanning as well. just k.i.s.s. and let nature do her thing.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: fungal_alchemist]
#16135422 - 04/24/12 09:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mojo checking in. No great flushes like what I see in the Shroomery but they pop up from time to time. Any reason for the trickle rather than flush ? Not very beefy either but maybe that's due to strain.




I still got 4 cakes colonizing. One in particular might have stalled. Maybe too dry...? Check it out.

Read the forums but nowhere does it say how to fix that. Can you inject water into jar ? Or....next step up for the nOOb is from BRF is a Bulk, right ? If so can I use the unfinished cake as a kick-off & what would be the best Bulk Tek for a nOOb whose never done it before ? Do I use my SG as the Bulk grower ?
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
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You can use you're sgfc in your first venture in bulk. Crumble the cake into a small bowl and case the colonized sub with a thin layer of pasturised and field capacity 50/50 mix coir and verm . Place in sgfc fruit like cakes. good luck
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mushypanda]
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mushypanda said: You can use you're sgfc in your first venture in bulk. Crumble the cake into a small bowl and case the colonized sub with a thin layer of pasturised and field capacity 50/50 mix coir and verm . Place in sgfc fruit like cakes. good luck
Thanks Panda ! Not sure what you mean by 'field capacity' though. So to pasturize it I can PC it, right ? This might be this weekend's exercise if I knock another SG together & try to slip it by the missus somehow.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16137341 - 04/25/12 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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When a substrate is at "field capacity" it means its hold as much water as possible, without dripping. if you were to squeeze the substrate it would drip a bit but only if you squeezed it. also what are your temps at? If they are still in the upper 60's you might want to think about raising temps to the mid 70's, it might help with growth.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16140387 - 04/25/12 11:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You don't pasteurize in your pc. That is for sterilization. A simple 'quasi' pasteurization for coir and verm works just fine. All you need is your substrate in a clean bucket with tight fitting lid and boiling some water on the stove add to sub mix cover and leave closed for an hour, come back and mix if necessary and allow to cool before using as casing or using adding spawn if using as a bulk substrate.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
#16190370 - 05/06/12 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The ongoing saga of this nOOb's first time growing effort. Here's my cakes 5 days ago. Pretty much nothing new since then.

Notices some fluff growth on one cake. This is the one I turned upside down so shroom on underside could grow without toppling the cake. Turned it right side up again & saw this. Doesn't seem to be thriving though.

Here's my cakes today...

Three cakes on right are new additions. The albino was an in vitro. No pinning or anything else happening after about 8 days after birthing...?

Here's close-ups of pins on older cakes that have surrendered. Are those aborts? Is theis the end of the 1st flush & is it time to dunk again?


Here's a question regarding FAE & my new cakes that aren't fruiting. Is it possible that there might be organic growth in the perlite layer? When misting the cakes there is some runoff into the perlite layer which could provide an ideal environment for some growth...? If so would that growth not suck O2 out of the growth chamber or release CO2 into the chamber? It seams feasible & if so how would I remedy it? Thanks in advance, kind folks.
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