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    #15903875 - 03/05/12 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Greetings all. First time poster & first time attempt at growing. Followed PFTek last night & did the substrate prep. This morning I realized I layered the substrate with PERLITE instead of Vermiculite. Someone please tell me I haven't totally f@cked up my efforts. Haven't inoculated yet. Was going to do so tonight but will hold off until someone can advise me.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #15903881 - 03/05/12 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good thing you haven't inoculated yet. You definitely need to mix up some new substrate, you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.

If you're referring exclusively to the top layer, you want dry vermiculite to act as a filter. Perlite is too large to perform this function, methinks.

Edited by Sma (03/05/12 02:10 PM)

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Sma]
    #15904123 - 03/05/12 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea, best to try again. trial & error is what creates an experienced grower :smile:.


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Sma] * 1
    #15904248 - 03/05/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sma said:
Good thing you haven't inoculated yet. You definitely need to mix up some new substrate, you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.

If you're referring exclusively to the top layer, you want dry vermiculite to act as a filter. Perlite is too large to perform this function, methinks.



The top layer is neither for absorbing or holding on to moisture in your jar. The Verm you mixed into the BRF does that. The sole purpose of the top layer of vermiculite is to create a contamination barrier.

And size of the Verm or Perlite is a moot point. I have seen some pretty large chunks of Vermiculite, much larger than most pieces of perlite.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: crimsondrac]
    #15904268 - 03/05/12 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah dun get down on urself mistakes happen think positive atleast u were smart enuff to ask before innoculating:thumbup:

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: dragonnreeferr]
    #15904387 - 03/05/12 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bugger it. Ok so I need to redo is the general consensus. So there's no way of salvaging what I've done & re PCing it...?

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #15904421 - 03/05/12 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mojoraisin said:
Bugger it. Ok so I need to redo is the general consensus. So there's no way of salvaging what I've done & re PCing it...?



Not unless you can pick out all that Perlite


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: nynole]
    #15904443 - 03/05/12 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

don't listen to these guys, you are only talking about the filter layer being perlite, yes? the actual brf has verm.? then it's 100% fine:thumbup: keep going

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15904509 - 03/05/12 04:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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don't listen to these guys, you are only talking about the filter layer being perlite, yes? the actual brf has verm.? then it's 100% fine:thumbup: keep going




if this is the case, dump the perlite "filter layer" out and pour plain vermiculite in place of it. might want to re-steam or pressure cook it, though.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15904544 - 03/05/12 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
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SomeGuy said:
don't listen to these guys, you are only talking about the filter layer being perlite, yes? the actual brf has verm.? then it's 100% fine:thumbup: keep going




if this is the case, dump the perlite "filter layer" out and pour plain vermiculite in place of it. might want to re-steam or pressure cook it, though.



better yet, don't do shit, matter of fact, it's been done with perlite hundreds of times

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: crimsondrac]
    #15904881 - 03/05/12 05:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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crimsondrac said:
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Sma said:
Good thing you haven't inoculated yet. You definitely need to mix up some new substrate, you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.

If you're referring exclusively to the top layer, you want dry vermiculite to act as a filter. Perlite is too large to perform this function, methinks.



The top layer is neither for absorbing or holding on to moisture in your jar. The Verm you mixed into the BRF does that. The sole purpose of the top layer of vermiculite is to create a contamination barrier.





That's what I said in the second part of my post, yo. You quoted it.

Edited by Sma (03/05/12 05:47 PM)

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15905201 - 03/05/12 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I'm still in with a fighting chance then...? Jars have got a 1/2-3/4" layer of relatively fine dry Perlite covering the substrate. Give me the go-ahead & I'll shoot them up.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #15905756 - 03/05/12 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15905822 - 03/05/12 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

GO-AHEAD!! like SomeGuy said its been done hundreds of times man
you CAN use either,perlite is cheaper atleast around here,
i see it a waste to use verm as it just gets trashed when jars are birthed,
although i have baked and reused it in the past,but thats a different story,
i say save the verm for your mix,i use crushed perlite exclusively nowadays :goodluck: with your grow


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In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #15905902 - 03/05/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

do a search in the search engine, i recently saw a post of someone using perlite as a top layer in shooter and it worked, i would not waste my efforts, time and materials. simply cover the holes with micropore tape as an extra precaution, it'll be fine.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: shangrila]
    #15905934 - 03/05/12 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

people who use awild bird seed, or rye berries don't use a vermiculite barrier, they simply place polyfill in the center hole of the lid or micopore tape over inoculation holes.  once again, innoc, tape and let em do their thing.  you'll just learn from this experience as well as many others, have fun.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: shangrila]
    #15905968 - 03/05/12 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Sma said:
you want vermiculite because it will absorb and hold onto the moisture, and perlite is good for releasing moisture.




i beg to differ,
if the verm was wicking up moisture the standard mix for the pf ratio would be off,
making jars too dry
perlite will not release moisture if it has never been moistened itself

P.S. shangrila
that was my post you speak of :grin:


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ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #15906293 - 03/05/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I'm in good hands here I see. Thanks to everyone for helping a newbie out. I'll keep you posted.

One more question...for now: er...how do I set up an avatar???  :confused:

Edited by mojoraisin (03/05/12 09:36 PM)

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #15906362 - 03/05/12 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

go to PICS,click UPLOAD PICS, DOWNLOAD a pic,afterwards there will be a option that say SET AS AVATAR under the pic,click that


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ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #15906423 - 03/05/12 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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cubes4cancer said:
go to PICS,click UPLOAD PICS, DOWNLOAD a pic,afterwards there will be a option that say SET AS AVATAR under the pic,click that




your next question will be how to COPY pics to your POSTS
once your pics are DOWNLOADED,
there will be a text of the pics code under the pic,click that,
is will say COPIED,
from there go to your THREAD and click as if you were goin to REPLY,
RIGHT CLICK and PASTE the pic :thumbup: im a mind reader since your wondering

:ahahaha:


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ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR

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