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Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons
    #15902670 - 03/05/12 08:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hello to all,
can anyone help me decide on my cake fruiting method.  I am just starting off with the Pf-tek and could use some help.  I am going to use perlite in bottom of the grow chamber and can't decide weather to pop the cakes out of the jars, or to cover the side of the jars with foil like I've read and just fruit right out of the top.  Will there be a problem with making sure the cakes are properly humidified is they are left in the jars, will harvesting be an issue, or I am just wrapping my head to far around the problem.
    Secondly should a I start off with misting and fanning, or should I take it a little farther.  I am skilled with air properties and how to control living environments (for humans) for air change problems and temps and humidity don't really pose a large issue for me, but like I said I am just getting started and want to succeed.  Thanks

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dirt dweller]
    #15902816 - 03/05/12 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this was some extra brf i had so i put it in a quart jar, pc'd it, and nocc'd it up...

i let it colonize, then put some 50/50 over it..



i had slight problems harvesting them though... its fun to do, but not for every grow.


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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: Synocybin]
    #15902827 - 03/05/12 09:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

birth them than dunk and roll

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dragonnreeferr]
    #15902878 - 03/05/12 09:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dragonnreeferr said:
birth them than dunk and roll





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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #15905987 - 03/05/12 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks to all
I am going to try five cake in jar and five after birthing.  I guess the fun is finding out how and what works then hone it till something else sparks your interest.  HAPPY CULTIVATING

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dragonnreeferr]
    #15906000 - 03/05/12 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Never heard the term dunk and roll, could you spell it out for a newbie.

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dirt dweller]
    #15906023 - 03/05/12 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

after u birth u set cakes in pot of water taps fine than put a plate on them to hold um under the water for 24 hours after that u take them out roll them in verm so they are nicley coated set if fruiting chamber after a few hours mist them directly to wet the verm layer than just use ur sgfc like normal mist fan etc 


edit i wouldnt do any invitro as this will inhibit your flushes you will get far superior results with birthing them than dunking and rolling

Edited by dragonnreeferr (03/05/12 08:44 PM)

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dirt dweller]
    #15906083 - 03/05/12 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

birth the cake,(take it out of the jar),rinse the loose verm off that once was the comtam barrier,dunk(submerge in water 12-24hours)24hours if preferred,once dunked rinse again then roll sides and top/bottom in dry verm(or you can double end case)witch is only applying dry verm to top and bottom of cake,then introduce to fruiting conditions,mist to moisten verm after about 30min-hour.some bake the dry verm before rolling to help prevent contams,(not necessary)100% colonized cake are fairly contam resistant as is. hope this helped :goodluck:


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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dirt dweller]
    #15906259 - 03/05/12 09:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you leave them in the jar, they become very resistant to freedom.  They get stuck, and it is a hell of time to get the cake out without mangling it, and the shrooms.  Mangling the shrooms does not affect their potency, but I sure wouldn't want to have to pick shards of glass out.  I have not had that happen, but the more time you struggle with a jar, the more likelihood you could drop it or break it in your hands.  Just personal experience.


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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: 2 cats freckles]
    #15908666 - 03/06/12 11:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Case those cakes!!! Better pinset this way. This gives more surface area for the pins to form and for each cake can = 1 casing tray depending on the size of the jars you used but I've even cased my  1/2pint jars, one per tray (aluminum trays) crumbled and cased with three flush success.  :goodluck:  :meltdown:


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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #15909680 - 03/06/12 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am just getting started on my first cakes this week.  I built a sweet incubator, should work well.  So let me get my simple mind around what seems very easy task. After the jars are fully colonized, birth the cakes and rinse.  Question one, rinse with just plain water, or do I need to prepare something special?  Question two, the water I am submerging the cakes in will it be plain water as well?  Question three, when you mean submerged I'm thinking that this completely under water with a weight on top to hold the cakes down for 24hrs?  I get baking the verm to sanitize then blot top and bottom and roll sides.  Please let me know if I am on the right track, you guys are fantastic.  Thanks to all                       
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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #15909700 - 03/06/12 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I forgot to ask.  How much of the dunk and roll should be done in front of a flow hood is any, I built a nice set up.  I would think at this point it would not be necessary but just thinking, thanks

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dirt dweller]
    #15911474 - 03/06/12 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dont case waste of time if ur doing that just go to coir bulk  and  use tap water and yes weigh them down with a plate use tap water for the rinse before dunk too

as the baking verm totally unneeded  i just toss them in the verm bag than toss couple handfuls on top  covering the cake than put in fruiting chamber taday

once healthy cakes are fully colonized there very contam resistant

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dragonnreeferr]
    #15912845 - 03/07/12 07:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks so much, I had no idea that the cakes are going to be that hearty.  Everything you said after a nights sleep kind of makes sense, the cakes are hydrating while in the soak for 24hrs, and rolling them in the verm provides a casing layer like if you were using tray of rice grain or other type of cereal grain then adding a top casing layer to the tray, "right"?  Let me know how off the mark my hypothesis is. Like I said this is my first go, but you have re leaved many concerns again thanks so much.

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Re: Fruiting in jars Pros/Cons [Re: dirt dweller]
    #15912956 - 03/07/12 07:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no problem at all just paying foward info for ya and yes the dunk creates a micro climate

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