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OfflineDeadphish64
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MAOI Inhibitors
    #1590010 - 05/29/03 07:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I've read some things about MAOI's increasing your trip on mushrooms...I was wondering if anyone had any info on this? or is there something else you can take that would increase your trip?


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590138 - 05/29/03 08:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

also does anyone know about Syrian Rue? I know it is an MAO and I was wondering how much should be eatin with mushrooms? I found a place where u can order different seeds by weight...they have 10g, 50g, 100g etc seeds and I was wondering which one and how many should I get


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590146 - 05/29/03 08:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yeah. it's definitely true. Take an extract (find one on Erowid) of like 3-5 grams of Syrian Rue seeds, and eat the shrooms. The MAOI (the Rue) roughly doubles the intensity of the shroom trip (along with some qualitative changes), so be careful about how much of the shrooms you want to take.

Also, you must observe strict dietary restrictions with an MAOI (a google search will get you that info)-be careful!!!!


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1590181 - 05/29/03 08:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

so I should get 5 grams of seeds and then use an extraction method (like the lemon juice one) and then take that before I eat the shroooms?


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590261 - 05/29/03 08:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

do u actually have to extract the seeds? or can u just eat 5 grams of crushed seeds and then the mushies?


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590418 - 05/29/03 09:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You can eat the seeds themselves (I'd recommend washing them off first), but you might get some nausea from them.  That's why the extract is recommended.  Either way will work though.

Something cool about the extraction, though.  If you evaporate the extraction to obtain either a gummy substance or crystaline harmine and harmaline, you can throw it in a bowl an take a hit.  Gracie and Zarkov mention this, and apparently it makes the trip VERY intense for a few minutes.  I haven't tried it yet, but I will later this summer.  :smile:

Also, it's generally recommended that you consume the extact about 30 min before eating the shrooms.  A little longer for just seeds, I'd assume, though some sites recommend spreading out the consumption of the MAOI over the course of the trip, but concetrated more at the beginning. 


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1590428 - 05/29/03 09:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

so if I take lets say 3 grams at the beginning and then 2 grams later...that 2 grams will extend my trip even longer?


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590523 - 05/29/03 09:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe. I think the recommendation for spreading out the consumption was more just to reduce nausea. The MAOI will stay in your system for a while, so I doubt there's that much difference lenght-wise between taking 5 grams at the beginning and doing 3 then 2. I think it's just more of a comfort thing.


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1590539 - 05/29/03 09:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

thanx...I can't wait to do this...the seeds are in the mail and I have my mushies...would you say doing more then 5grams with about an 1/8 would be good? or do u think 5grams should just about to it to reach that level 5 trip that I love


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590562 - 05/29/03 09:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The Shroomery dose calculator recommends like 2.5 (or so) grams of shrooms with a MAOI (3-5 grams Syrian Rue generally) for level 5. Just remember that 3.5 grams shrooms with an MAOI will be comparable in strength to a quarter of shrooms alone. That'll definitely get you to level 5. Just be careful and remember dietary restrictions.

PS-later this summer I plan to do Syrian Rue extract with 7 grams shrooms-will be VERY VERY intense-I anticipate complete ego death.


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1590615 - 05/29/03 09:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

The Shroomery dose calculator recommends like 2.5 (or so) grams of shrooms with a MAOI (3-5 grams Syrian Rue generally) for level 5. Just remember that 3.5 grams shrooms with an MAOI will be comparable in strength to a quarter of shrooms alone. That'll definitely get you to level 5. Just be careful and remember dietary restrictions.

PS-later this summer I plan to do Syrian Rue extract with 7 grams shrooms-will be VERY VERY intense-I anticipate complete ego death.




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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: the free thinker]
    #1590689 - 05/29/03 09:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks free thinker! I haven't decided for sure if I'll do it, and I may back down to like 5 grams shrooms with an MAOI. I'll use a sitter and take all kinds of safety precautions, etc, then just strap in for the ride.


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: the free thinker]
    #1590703 - 05/29/03 10:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

a quarter of good shrooms doesn't always seem to get me to level 5 though....I'm not a normal sized person (6'5" 290lb football player) and I've eaten 10 grams of shrooms before (def ego death and enlightenment)...if I only have 3.5g of mushies and take more then 5grams of syrian rue, then would that be more then 7grams comparably?


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1590896 - 05/29/03 10:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

that's right. I didn't realize that you were a man of prodigious stature. In that case, I say go for it. Yeah-3.5 grams mushies and 5 grams syrian rue is about 7 grams mushies alone.

Of course, that's just approximate. The MAOI+shrooms experience is generally described as more "other," and less panicky (the MAOI has a calming effect, generally). Also, there's more of a body load, generally-you might not want to get up and move around as much. Have fun!!!


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1590927 - 05/29/03 10:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I alittle bit larger then most people...but I can't wait to do this...my plan is for on saturday I have my last final at 10am...then go pick up the seeds from the mail...then bring them back and I was thinking of either grinding up 6grams and adding to orange juice or use the lemon juice extraction (which one would u recommend) and then about 15-30mins later eat 3.5g of mushies...then throw on some Phish and get lost in space for awhile...thanx for the help...any suggestions for my trip would be greatly appreciated


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1591357 - 05/29/03 11:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say the lemon juice extraction is simplest and easiest. Your plan sounds good. I haven't listened to Phish tripping yet.

Suggestions:
prepare with some meditation or taking a walk, etc.
have someone available to talk to (not necessarily a sitter)
download some fractals to look at
get a kaleidoscope (sp?)
relax and enjoy!!!!!!
Don't forget about dietary restrictions!!

Wish I had some mushies for this weekend!!




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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1591387 - 05/29/03 11:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If you dont mind me asking, about how old are you?  You seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff and thats cool. :cool: 



Edited by OctopusDr (05/30/03 12:02 AM)


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Pala]
    #1591392 - 05/30/03 12:00 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

thanx for the suggestions....this should be a fun trip...I'll give an update after the trip to let u know about it....and I def recommend listening to some Phish while tripping...the hardest I've ever tripped have been at Phish concerts


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: Deadphish64]
    #1592165 - 05/30/03 07:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

there have been numerous threads about MAOi stuff, caapi vine, syrian rue seeds, passionflower, hamine/harmaline, & extraction techs here at the shroomery (most in the "other drugs" forum, but also in a few other fora as well...)
if you utfse you will get all that info & trip reports as well...
i recommend the salt/vinegar extraction tech (manske/hasenfratz method) because wou will get practically all the useful betacarboline chems as a nice powder (pretty orangish mossy mat of pretty dam' pure crystals) & leave many of the undesirable chems found in the seeds behind (dr shulgin says up to half of the alkaloids are not betacarbs, but chems that're more anticholniergic & uterotonic & other sorta yucky stuff....) & you won't have to deal with the awful taste of a rue seed/lemon tea (bbbbrrrrrr....); also, it is easy to prep a smokable freebase form by dissolvine the crude HCl salts in dH2O & slowly adding ammonia water (unscented nonsudsing laundry ammonia) until precipitaion ceases, gathering the solid ppt, washing with cold H2O & drying well... --- & if you smoke 50 mg of this stuff during any trip you might be quite surprised at what ensues, hehheh...
anyway, play safe with this stuff (& even though many of the stringent dietary restrictions for prescription MAOi chems may not apply, it would still be prudent to avoid consuming large doses of decongestants, amphetamines, or antihistamines while dosing on any MAOi...)


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Re: MAOI Inhibitors [Re: gnrm23]
    #1592169 - 05/30/03 07:20 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

OctopusDr:
"If you dont mind me asking, about how old are you? You seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff and thats cool. "

Just turned 19 on the 27th of May. :smile:  Thanks for the compliment.  I appreciate it. 

gnrm23-That sounds like a nice extraction.  I'll have to try that one. 


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