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Good article on global warming.
    #1589331 - 05/29/03 05:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589382 - 05/29/03 05:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Before reading the article i would like to say i predict it is about how unserious global warming actually is and how we need not worry as much as we do....

off to read.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1589419 - 05/29/03 06:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Before reading the article i would like to say i predict it is about how unserious global warming actually is and how we need not worry as much as we do....




:grin: :grin: :grin: :smirk:

Personally i don't think you post very good articles because you always have writers saying things like:

Liberals don't care about the environment. The core of environmentalism is a hatred for mankind. They want mass infanticide, zero population growth, reduced standards of living and vegetarianism. Most crucially, they want Americans to stop with their infernal deodorant use.

The person who wrote it obviously has a clouded view, with weak arguments.  Not to imply im worried about global warming,,,really i think its kinda silly.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589541 - 05/29/03 06:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Funny that I went to UCSC, majored in Earth Science (Environmental Studies) with a focus in Ecology and have never heard of the professor Dr. Slawek Tulaczyk.

Anyways, I guess thats not a big deal.

I've done much research on the global warming subject. All these researchers coming up with completely different data. Its like they are getting no where. Global warming is happening, or is going to happen no matter what anyone says. The CFC's and carbons which are released into the air every second of everyday with "lifespans" of over 400 years are detrimental no matter what anyone says.

Its basically that ultraviolet light hits a chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) molecule, breaking off a chlorine atom. The chlorine atom attacks an ozone (O3) molecule, pulling an oxygen atom off it. The chlorine atom and hte oxygen atom join to form a chlorine monoxide molecule. A free oxygen atom pulls the oxygen atom off the chlorine monoxide molecule, than once free, the cholorine atom is off to attack another ozone molecule.

This process goes on from anywhere from 70-400 years...


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589554 - 05/29/03 06:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I agree that global warming is all hype but I think Ann Coulter is such a hate-filled, bitter bitch that I might change my mind.. didn't she say about the arabs "we should kill their leaders and convert them all to christianity" or something like that?

that last paragraph really reveals her hatred... it's hard to read that shit even if she has some good points.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589566 - 05/29/03 06:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

oh yeah and why do you post so many damn articles where the authors try to sell you some crappy book of theirs?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1589571 - 05/29/03 06:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cuz they're all on the same site!!! lol! :grin:


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589591 - 05/29/03 06:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why the hell do you label this as a "GOOD" article on global warming...

Its a skewed backwards way of looking at it. That last paragraph is very disturbing as well.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1589602 - 05/29/03 06:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

He did it to jibe us who think the earth is precious and worth preserving in all its natural glory.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1589649 - 05/29/03 06:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1589666 - 05/29/03 06:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Put me out of her misery!  :tongue:


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1589703 - 05/29/03 06:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yeah please! don't anyone post another article by her or about her ever again! it's laughable that some people are still publishing her garbage.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1589715 - 05/29/03 06:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

who the hell is this townhall.com anyway? don't they care about their credibility?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1589722 - 05/29/03 06:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

apparently not! :wink:


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1589724 - 05/29/03 06:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ann Coulter is scary, and not very credible either. I saw her on TV getting roasted about the realities of the tax cut and in the face of facts she kept spouting her ignorant bullshit.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589787 - 05/29/03 07:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

See this is why it's so much fun to post here. There are those who can't factually back up what they say so their hatred clouds their judgement.

There are those who judge the message by who the messenger is.

There are those who will never agree with anything that doesn't fit their preconceptions.

Thgere are those who mock others for what they believe and then go on to claim that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is brainwashed.

There are those who make outlandish statements and then can't or won't back them up.

So many fools, so little common sense.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1589808 - 05/29/03 07:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There are those who can't factually back up what they say so their hatred clouds their judgement

I'll assume you're talking about the author of that article.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1589853 - 05/29/03 07:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well I guess her comments on deoderant could be wrong.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1590079 - 05/29/03 07:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

haha
do you realize that we're supposed to be in an ice age right now?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1590102 - 05/29/03 08:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Before reading the article i would like to say i predict it is about how unserious global warming actually is and how we need not worry as much as we do....

off to read.




Haha. Good call, Azmodeus


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1590106 - 05/29/03 08:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Personally i don't think you post very good articles because you always have writers saying things like:

Liberals don't care about the environment. The core of environmentalism is a hatred for mankind. They want mass infanticide, zero population growth, reduced standards of living and vegetarianism. Most crucially, they want Americans to stop with their infernal deodorant use.



I've seen that author several times on Real Time with Bill Maher, and I believe she was a regular guest on Politically Incorrect before that. She's dumb, arrogant bitch who's absolutely opposed to legalization. That is all.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1590263 - 05/29/03 08:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

From the article:
The key to the U.N.'s global warming study was man's use of aerosol spray. You have to know the French were involved in a study concluding that Arrid Extra Dry is destroying the Earth. In a world in which everyone smelled, the French would be at no disadvantage. Aerosol spray. How convenient.

So, let me see...did she address the matter of aerosol spray?  Nope.  Maybe I'll e-mail her.

We didn't wait for more data when DDT (dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane) was banned on the basis of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring, which brainwashed children into believing DDT would kill all the birds.

Um, DDT nearly wiped out fishing bird populations in affected regions.  DDT aggregates at greater levels the higher it goes up through the food chain; at the level of the eagle or osprey, it was doing exactly what Carson said.  Not only are those birds an important part of an ecosystem, but they eat the same fish that humans go after.  (Just to keep it anthropocentric)  Now, DDT and other banned pesticides are being sold in foreign countries with weaker regulations.  I guess the laws of nature (science) vary from region to region.

It was a miracle invention: Tiny amounts of DDT kill disease-carrying insects with no harm to humans, protecting them from malaria, dengue and typhus. But in 1972, the U.S. banned one of the greatest inventions in modern history.

She is off her rocker.  Hey, toxic sludge is GOOD for you!

And then comes the final paragraph, that others here have mentioned.  :confused: 


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1591605 - 05/30/03 12:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fiction can be fun!


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1593818 - 05/30/03 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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See this is why it's so much fun to post here. There are those who can't factually back up what they say so their hatred clouds their judgement.

There are those who judge the message by who the messenger is.

There are those who will never agree with anything that doesn't fit their preconceptions.

Thgere are those who mock others for what they believe and then go on to claim that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is brainwashed.

There are those who make outlandish statements and then can't or won't back them up.

So many fools, so little common sense.




Tell me which one am i for not knowing this person and disregarding her bullshit (article)for her obviously bias thinking?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1598095 - 06/01/03 01:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I saw ann coulter get roasted on Phil Donahue's(now cancelled) show on msnbd. They were talking about her new book. He called her an immature hatefull liitle girl which is what she is.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: 1stimer]
    #1600609 - 06/02/03 06:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ya global warming is not happening
tell that to people alive in 2050!!!!

when there are NO ICECPAS !!thats right NONE

hey alot of us here might be around or that
as if it wasent obvious !

patterns of animals are changing (THEY KNOW the climate changing)

I could go on forever about the changes right in front of me and ALL of you every day


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1600627 - 06/02/03 06:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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ya global warming is not happening
tell that to people alive in 2050!!!!





do you want to clue us in how ANYONE could do this?  Please, the sky isn't falling.

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when there are NO ICECPAS !!thats right NONE




see above

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hey alot of us here might be around or that as if it wasent obvious !




i guess the sky is falling in your world.

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patterns of animals are changing (THEY KNOW the climate changing)




you speak to animals? :confused:

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I could go on forever about the changes right in front of me and ALL of you every day 




and still say nothing concrete...hmmm


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Edited by Innvertigo (06/02/03 08:10 AM)


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1600640 - 06/02/03 07:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

no I dont speak to them I READ!!!!!

you know science
maybe you should check this site out
http://www.ucsaction.org/

I read a great overveiw o the "worlds heath" awhile back by them

but you dont want their opinion they are only half of all nobel prize winners ever and most o the luterates(spelling?)

WAKE the fuck up
or are you NOT on the net right now

do some fucking reading buddy

www.corpwatch.org


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1600709 - 06/02/03 08:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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no I dont speak to them I READ!!!!!




So you read to people in the future? can ya show me how you do that?

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you know science
maybe you should check this site out
http://www.ucsaction.org/





That doesn't answer my question. How can you see the future?

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but you dont want their opinion they are only half of all nobel prize winners ever and most o the luterates(spelling?)




who said i don't want their opinion? It seems that you are just disagreeing to disagree this morning, which is quite humorous. You just said it was their OPINION.

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WAKE the fuck up
or are you NOT on the net right now




eh? Psycho Babble..

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do some fucking reading buddy




I will once you show me how you talk to people in the future.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1600832 - 06/02/03 09:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I will once you show me how you talk to people in the future.



You mean you can't?

Actually I'd rather speak to myself in the past. I'd tell myself the winning lottery numbers and be all set.

Yes to all those weasely lefties who are about to howl..... I'd use my powers for PERSONAL gain!!


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1600843 - 06/02/03 10:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Actually I'd rather speak to myself in the past. I'd tell myself the winning lottery numbers and be all set.




How do you think i afford mt two SUV's? :grin:


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1601241 - 06/02/03 01:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Since the beginning of the industrial revolution around 1750-1800, there has been a sharp rise in the use of fossil fuels, which release large amounts of the greenhouse gases CO2 and CH4 into the troposphere. Deforestation and clearing and burning of grasslands to raise crops, which release CO2 and N2O into the atmosphere. Cultivation of rice paddies and use of inorganic fertilzers, whcih release N2O into the troposphere as well are highly detrimental.

Based on evidence about past changers in atmospheric CO2 concentrations and atmospheric temperatures, climate scientists contend that it is hihgly likely that increased inputs of CO2 and other greenhouse gases from human activities will enhance the earths natural temperature of the atmosphere near the earth's surface. THis enhanced greenhouse effect is called GLOBAL WARMING .

THere is much evidence of a correlation between atmopsheric concentrations and carbon dioxide and average tropospheric temperatures. Here are just a few....

  • The concentration of CO2 in the troposphere is higher than it has been in the past 420,000 years
  • The 20th century was the hottest century in the past 1,000 years
  • An average global sea level rise of 10-25 inches over the past 100 years
  • Northward migration of warm climate fish and trees
  • More common occurrences of unusual weather patterns such as warm spells, droughts, and unexpected storms and hurricanes in parts of the world
  • Large water gyers which control the large ocean currents have been changed due to the lack of colder waters, from depeltion of ice caps.


THere is so much pure hard evidence that global warming is happening.... I think people should do a lot more reading instead of taking one article so seriously.



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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1601459 - 06/02/03 03:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Based on evidence about past changers in atmospheric CO2 concentrations and atmospheric temperatures, climate scientists contend that it is hihgly likely that increased inputs of CO2 and other greenhouse gases from human activities




how can you say that there is hard evidence when it's premised by "scientists contend that it is hihgly likely"?

what about the CO2 that occurs naturally? Unfortunatly there's just as much evidence that there is NO global warming as there is for it. Some actually welcome the increased CO2 for the growth of plants as shown in the documentary: The greening of planet earth.

I'm not saying you're wrong but to say that there is hard evidence when the weather man can't even predict the weather 7 days in advance is quite funny.

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we haven't been recording weather for 1000 years so i'd like to see where they get this evidence from.



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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1601508 - 06/02/03 03:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The only conclusive thing you can say about global warming is this:

It's fairly likely, but we don't have a large enough sample of data to say if it's genuine.

So, you can't say it's a myth, but there is a chance it's not real.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Phluck]
    #1601526 - 06/02/03 03:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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So, you can't say it's a myth, but there is a chance it's not real.




I'm not saying it is a myth, that's why i said there is just as much evidence for it as there are against it.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Phluck]
    #1601847 - 06/02/03 05:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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The only conclusive thing you can say about global warming is this:

It's fairly likely, but we don't have a large enough sample of data to say if it's genuine.

So, you can't say it's a myth, but there is a chance it's not real.



OK, who are you and what did you do with Phluck?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1601899 - 06/02/03 05:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

do you want to clue us in how ANYONE could do this? Please, the sky isn't falling.

You think if we went back 100 years and said "Maybe it isn't such a good idea to hunt elephants for their ivory and whales" you would have people like you saying "There's absolutely no evidence whales could ever be endangered. Or elephants. Don't be silly. There's just as much evidence suggesting hunting is good for them".

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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1602401 - 06/02/03 08:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there have been countless civilizations that have become extinct due to the fact that they destroyed their own environment. what makes us think we are any different?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: 1stimer]
    #1602689 - 06/02/03 10:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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there have been countless civilizations that have become extinct due to the fact that they destroyed their own environment




Really? Which one?

It's very arrogant to think man can destroy the Earth.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1602718 - 06/02/03 10:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I know that it is NOT a myth. Yes, there is a natural cycle of CO2, but, really you have to look at what we are doing here... There is a very high artifical input of greenhouse gases which will be active for hundreds of years rather than just a year like Carbon Dioxide would have. Just look at LA...you go there, and you can SEE the smog. I'd go surfing out there and get out feeling like I just had smoked a pack of cigs.

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we haven't been recording weather for 1000 years so i'd like to see where they get this evidence from.




There are quite a few ways in determining climate changes since the beginning of time here on Earth. Measuring climate changes in the last 1,000 years is actually easy for scientists. Measuring the ocean fluxuations is one way. There area  alot of people that don't realize that our axis fluxuatates from 23.5 degrees (where we are now) to a much larger angle and back around to the other direction. Earth scientists can measure this by drilling into basalt and reading which way the natural metals are pointed or crystalized. Not like you were asking that. :wink: But that really adds to determining that there have been climate changes and when they were.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1602761 - 06/02/03 10:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've never seen figures that say that manner of measuring and dating climatic changes is anything more than a general measure.

Can you provide any?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1602763 - 06/02/03 10:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Just look at LA...you go there, and you can SEE the smog. I'd go surfing out there and get out feeling like I just had smoked a pack of cigs.




Don't get me wrong, i'm in favor of cleaning up the environment (so is about 99.9999% of all humans) like LA through alternative sources but i don't like it when people feel the need to state that almost every human activity causes global warming when, like i said, is just as much evidence to the contrary.

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There are quite a few ways in determining climate changes since the beginning of time here on Earth.




You mean like the natural cycle of the Earth warming and cooling like it has done many times in its 4.5 billion years in existance? key word being natural. :smirk:

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But that really adds to determining that there have been climate changes and when they were.




noone is denying the cycles, and you in your own words have said this cycle is natural. (where does man fit in?)


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1602843 - 06/02/03 10:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You mean like the natural cycle of the Earth warming and cooling like it has done many times in its 4.5 billion years in existance? key word being natural.




Yes, exactly. There are climatic changes which occur naturally. However, over the past 150 years, since weather data has been around, and from the past 1,000 years of the cooler fluxuation change we have witnessed the warmest year. We are just speeding this fluxuation up.

There are fluxuations, but there has been a giant leap since the industrial revolution. What we are doing now will not be effecting the earth as much until another 50 years...from then it will still be 400 years until it gets better.

RIght NOW is just the time for change, yet people won't be changing their ways until it hits them in the back of the head. The global warming idea is also a great way to show to the average person that, hey we are actually doing things which are hurting our greatest mother...Its the easiest to see.

Global warming is just the least of our worries at this point .. :crazy: 


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1602886 - 06/02/03 11:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

global warming is real: this is a fact

it's fucking common-sense... the real question is this: how much do humans actually contribute to it? because it's a natural process we just make it worse...

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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1602998 - 06/02/03 11:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's very arrogant to think man can destroy the Earth.

Define "destroy the earth."


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1603027 - 06/02/03 11:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Our environmental recklessness comes to a head in our oceans. Those are really the earth's lungs. Right now about 25% of the world's coral reefs are dead. The trends continue. Unregulated activities such as logging and development lead to widespread erosion--siltification smothers reefs, and along with pollution, overfishing, and bleaching (rising sea temperatures kill corals) could wipe them out within the next century. Seems like a long time...

So, what then--no more snorkeling trips, right? No, when the coral reefs go at the lower level, and the top feeders at the upper level, oceanic eco-systems die, and drop out of the carbon cycle.

That may be all she wrote. To scoff the mounting evidence, and the increasingly unified opinion from science, is naive.

Angryshroom, I saw a really nice break in LA once--unfortunately it was right beside an oil refinery. Just west of the LAX. Crazy sight.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: hongomon]
    #1603089 - 06/03/03 12:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Speaking of which...

Australia closes off more of Great Barrier Reef

A good example of an issue where I acknowledge the need for regulations.

I think that a rotating system of fishing control would be better, especially where reef fish, which remain in a particular area for life, is concerned. The capacity of a reef, left alone, to recover over time, has been studied and documented.

Of course, Bob Brown is right that taking the other causes seriously--logging, agriculture, etc.--is just as important.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: hongomon]
    #1603123 - 06/03/03 12:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the human race can destroy itself but life will go on... tiny lichens, roaches and other organisms will live and mutate and flourish


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1603148 - 06/03/03 12:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

take an arhgeaology class, youll learn that almost without exception that every civillization that doesnt exist today is due to over farming which caused erosion and the population dwindelled to almost zero untill everyone had to migrate elsewhere. Destruction of the environment has happened before and i guarantee it will happen again in america as long as capitalism has anything to say about it.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1603157 - 06/03/03 12:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I've never seen figures that say that manner of measuring and dating climatic changes is anything more than a general measure.

Can you provide any?



Tree rings and ice cores are pretty specific. Trees that overlap living trees lifetimes and were harvested and used in construction extend the time period you can investigate.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1603220 - 06/03/03 12:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Global warning is what causes the coldest winter in washington

people with small mind think global warming means its gonna get hot everywhere.

global warming rasies the avarage temperature of the eath a fraction of a degree or so, causeing changes in air currents (streams in which air moves) which has profound effects on earths weather, resulting in more hurricians, melting icecaps, and colder winters.

there's more to it then that, but that's the premise of global warming, as it is caused by the greenhouse effect.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1603231 - 06/03/03 12:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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noone is denying the cycles, and you in your own words have said this cycle is natural. (where does man fit in?)





if you wanna be stupid, then yes humans are natural, so yes everything that happens is natural.

but we're not talking about saving the earth, we're talking about saving the humans. If humans pollute the earth to a level where we cannot survive, nature will breakdown those toxians eventually, and new things will evolve. WHich is fine, but while i'm a human i'd like to avoid having to go through that kind of pain.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1603275 - 06/03/03 01:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i can't believe you put the words "good article" and "ann coulter" in the same sentence :grin: 


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1603335 - 06/03/03 01:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's very arrogant to think man can destroy the Earth.

How do you work this one? Do you know that chainsaws exist? Do you know they can chop down trees? Do you know what happens to the earths ecosystem when the amazon rain forest is chopped down?

And that's just with the effect of a chainsaw - never mind pollution. Man can easily destroy the earth.


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    #1603344 - 06/03/03 01:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"I'm sick and tired of all this back-slapping 'ain't humanity great' bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay?"--Bill Hicks


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: mantis]
    #1603655 - 06/03/03 05:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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global warming is real: this is a fact



Really? Must be great to be omnipotent and know all things.

There are probably as many scientists who say it isn't as there are who say it is. There is no overwhelming consensus.
And even among those who say there is global warming... there is no overwhelming consensus as to the major cause.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: falcon]
    #1603659 - 06/03/03 05:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I've never seen figures that say that manner of measuring and dating climatic changes is anything more than a general measure.

Can you provide any?



Tree rings and ice cores are pretty specific. Trees that overlap living trees lifetimes and were harvested and used in construction extend the time period you can investigate.



Actually they are not specific. Unless perhaps you can provide a link to show they are?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: mantis]
    #1603661 - 06/03/03 05:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i can't believe you put the words "good article" and "ann coulter" in the same sentence :grin: 



I can't (actually I can) believe you think I did. Nowhere did I write her name.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: 1stimer]
    #1603722 - 06/03/03 06:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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take an arhgeaology class,




No thanks, so what civilizations are you talking aboot?

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youll learn that almost without exception that every civillization that doesnt exist today is due to over farming




name one. you said that they destroyed their environment, NOT over farmed. Over farming is cured through crop rotation and doesn't "destroy" the land.

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which caused erosion and the population dwindelled to almost zero untill everyone had to migrate elsewhere.



are you blming this erosion entirely on these "past" civilizations? Migration is a natural occurance with both humans and animals.

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Destruction of the environment has happened before and i guarantee it will happen again in america as long as capitalism has anything to say about it.




destroyed by man or natural occurance? The Earth has been hit by life-ending comets, asteroids or other celestrial body. It seems your problem isn't so much with the people that oppose you rather your distain for capitalism.


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    #1603726 - 06/03/03 06:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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if you wanna be stupid, then yes humans are natural, so yes everything that happens is natural




That's not what i meant...don't be stupid.

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If humans pollute the earth to a level where we cannot survive, nature will breakdown those toxians eventually,




who is advocating polluting the Earth? You people seem to think that those who think Global warming is a natural occurance (even though there is NO concrete proof that man is speeding it up) actually want to pollute and litter the Earth. That's just fucking stupid.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
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    #1604101 - 06/03/03 11:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

who is advocating polluting the Earth? You people seem to think that those who think Global warming is a natural occurance (even though there is NO concrete proof that man is speeding it up) actually want to pollute and litter the Earth. That's just fucking stupid.

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    #1604248 - 06/03/03 12:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Along with factors such as war and changes in the environment, scientists now believe irrigation techniques played an important role in Mashkan-shapir's collapse.




good article. I love to read about these periods, with that said the quote above states that it wasn't the sole reason for the collapse. I will concede that man can do things that cause pollution (like i've always said)but the above example mentions war and changes in environment as well. What changes in environment? Was it caused by man?

either way i like that link even though the mesopotanians are still present today, natural migration as i mentioned before.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1604839 - 06/03/03 03:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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global warming is real: this is a fact



Really? Must be great to be omnipotent and know all things.

There are probably as many scientists who say it isn't as there are who say it is. There is no overwhelming consensus.
And even among those who say there is global warming... there is no overwhelming consensus as to the major cause. 



you're absolutely right... having common-sense comes in handy :tongue:

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html#known

as i stated earlier, it's happening naturally... we just don't know how much we contribute to it 


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    #1604853 - 06/03/03 03:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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we just don't know how much we contribute to it




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    #1604863 - 06/03/03 03:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Scientists know for certain that human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide (CO2 ), in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times have been well documented. There is no doubt this atmospheric buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities.



but what does the EPA know?

natural global warming is a result of volcanic gases and other emissions of CO2 and Sulfur Dioxide, so why would our man-made emissions be any exception?


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    #1604877 - 06/03/03 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Increasing levels of greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide (CO2 ), in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times have been well documented




really? what do they say about the oceans being the #1 supplier of greenhouse gases?

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There is no doubt this atmospheric buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities.




I won't argue that humans don't don't contribute to CO2 emissions but what humans expell is NOTHING compared to what the Earth gives off naturally. The EPA ia also a governmental agency, so you see my dilema.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1604913 - 06/03/03 04:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, but i fail to see what the government has to gain by the existence of global warming. you'd think they'd have an "everything is fine, keep consuming and driving" attitude


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    #1604953 - 06/03/03 04:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah, but i fail to see what the government has to gain by the existence of global warming.




I won't discount what the EPA states because they study this more than i but i will question it. The EPA seems to walk with the likes of Greenpeace and the Siera Club which are in themselves a joke.



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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1604973 - 06/03/03 04:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, the oceans are NOT net suppliers of CO2 (correct me if you're not thinking of CO2 as the greenhouse gas here), so you're tricking yourself if you see them as "suppliers", period, of CO2. That sounds like energy industry propaganda.

Oceans absorb AND release CO2. In fact, oceans serve as CO2 "sinks", where a good deal of the carbon it takes in--especially non-gas carbons like animal and plant parts, mafia victims, etc.--sinks down and enters the seabed, where it can remain for millions of years.

Oceans are more accurately the earth's lungs--like forests they take in our CO2 and release O2. The ocean is full of algae and phytoplankton and other photosynthesizers. And that is one of the reasons anyone who enjoys O2 should be concerned about the ocean's health.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1604995 - 06/03/03 04:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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The EPA seems to walk with the likes of Greenpeace and the Siera Club which are in themselves a joke.



Please explain. I'd love to hear this.


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    #1605032 - 06/03/03 04:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Please explain. I'd love to hear this.




Why should i explain it?


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: mantis]
    #1605055 - 06/03/03 04:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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having common-sense comes in handy



Then you should give it a try. I'll stick with facts.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1605077 - 06/03/03 04:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Please explain. I'd love to hear this.




Why should i explain it?



Because you've made a claim and I'd like you to back it up, or else that claim is null and void. Now explain why Greenpeace and the Sierra Club(of which I am a card-carrying member) are a joke.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1605109 - 06/03/03 04:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hang on, I'm still waiting for him to explain what he means by "destroy the world".


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1605192 - 06/03/03 05:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Good comments, but I don't agree with this part:

The global warming idea is also a great way to show to the average person that, hey we are actually doing things which are hurting our greatest mother...Its the easiest to see.

I think it's easier to see localized damage. Especially if one is able to visualize the significance of that damage as it unfolds on the timeline. For example, Kaneohe Bay in Hawaii was a thriving bay full of beatiful coral reefs--until the 1970s. Then, erosion runoff from Kaneohe's unchecked development began to choke off the sea floor. By the time I went with my seventh-grade "Sea Trek" field trip in the early 80s (a tour of the bay on a glass-bottom boat) the bay was dead. Parts of the sea floor had six feet of sediment built up. My class was the last to go on Sea Trek before it was cancelled. I don't think they should have cancelled it, because it had a big impact on us. There is NO DOUBT by anyone that Kaneohe Bay's demise was our mistake.

The trick is seeing an example like this as an isolated incident just long enough to understand it, and then being able to tie it in to larger and larger pictures, such as land management, the situation in the Pacific Ocean, ocean health, global health.

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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: hongomon]
    #1605625 - 06/03/03 07:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I hear you.

There is a lot of coral reefs which are being demolished at a very fast pace. :frown:

I used to live on the big island, Kona side... the thing was that people didn't really care or know about pollution. There was no recycling centers on the island, and there was lots of trash. They had more hate for hoale's than they did anything else.
There were guys who would just go down to the beach and trap tropical fish, and sell them...raping them from the their natural habitat and really destroying the population. They had to make someway! :frown:

Other impacts are driving through the forest, coming up over a hill, and seeing a whole moutainside that has been completely clear cut. Ohh...that is a gut wrencher for me. 


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1607091 - 06/04/03 04:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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The only conclusive thing you can say about global warming is this:

It's fairly likely, but we don't have a large enough sample of data to say if it's genuine.

So, you can't say it's a myth, but there is a chance it's not real.





man this is stuff kids with a book on the subject can understand whay cant you???

like for example in 1860 CO2 parts per million was 260
now it 360
and by the way do some reading thre IS proof !!!!!!
its already getting hotter!!!!!
havent you read about how 1998 broke all heat recods then 1999 broke moisture recods then 2000 broke heat recods !!! there is a pattern here !!

Hell even from mushroom picking I can see a difference year to year , and yes I now a hundred years makes more of a case than a couple but the evidence is in my favour on that to !

Ever wonder why there is a HUGE boycott america campign going on right now ?
cause the rest of the world is ready to change and make tought choices on many issues including this one while many in america are not(I am not mocking all of you either I have meet many of you that are intellegent)
your "real problem is your governments focus and the fact SO MANY people in america have lives that to them seem to "mean nothing" so they shop to fill the void.

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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1607187 - 06/04/03 06:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Because you've made a claim and I'd like you to back it up, or else that claim is null and void




you want me to back up my opinion? That's funny.

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Now explain why Greenpeace and the Sierra Club(of which I am a card-carrying member) are a joke.




why?

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(of which I am a card-carrying member)




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    #1607297 - 06/04/03 09:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've been looking for this thread a long time..it has some pretty good info.

Global Warming, Facts Challenge Hysteria


Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists
By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent - The Spectator
(Filed: 06/04/2003)

Claims that man-made pollution is causing "unprecedented" global warming have been seriously undermined by new research which shows that the Earth was warmer during the Middle Ages.

From the outset of the global warming debate in the late 1980s, environmentalists have said that temperatures are rising higher and faster than ever before, leading some scientists to conclude that greenhouse gases from cars and power stations are causing these "record-breaking" global temperatures.

Last year, scientists working for the UK Climate Impacts Programme said that global temperatures were "the hottest since records began" and added: "We are pretty sure that climate change due to human activity is here and it's accelerating."

This announcement followed research published in 1998, when scientists at the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia declared that the 1990s had been hotter than any other period for 1,000 years.

Such claims have now been sharply contradicted by the most comprehensive study yet of global temperature over the past 1,000 years. A review of more than 240 scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures are neither the warmest over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most extreme weather - in stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.

The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at sites around the world.

The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than today.

They also confirm claims that a Little Ice Age set in around 1300, during which the world cooled dramatically. Since 1900, the world has begun to warm up again - but has still to reach the balmy temperatures of the Middle Ages.

The timing of the end of the Little Ice Age is especially significant, as it implies that the records used by climate scientists date from a time when the Earth was relatively cold, thereby exaggerating the significance of today's temperature rise.

According to the researchers, the evidence confirms suspicions that today's "unprecedented" temperatures are simply the result of examining temperature change over too short a period of time.

The study, about to be published in the journal Energy and Environment, has been welcomed by sceptics of global warming, who say it puts the claims of environmentalists in proper context. Until now, suggestions that the Middle Ages were as warm as the 21st century had been largely anecdotal and were often challenged by believers in man-made global warming.

Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about global warming is a proper sense of history."

According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a wonderful period of plenty for everyone."

In contrast, said Prof Stott, severe famines and economic collapse followed the onset of the Little Ice Age around 1300. He said: "When the temperature started to drop, harvests failed and England's vine industry died. It makes one wonder why there is so much fear of warmth."

The United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the official voice of global warming research, has conceded the possibility that today's "record-breaking" temperatures may be at least partly caused by the Earth recovering from a relatively cold period in recent history. While the evidence for entirely natural changes in the Earth's temperature continues to grow, its causes still remain mysterious.

Dr Simon Brown, the climate extremes research manager at the Meteorological Office at Bracknell, said that the present consensus among scientists on the IPCC was that the Medieval Warm Period could not be used to judge the significance of existing warming.

Dr Brown said: "The conclusion that 20th century warming is not unusual relies on the assertion that the Medieval Warm Period was a global phenomenon. This is not the conclusion of IPCC."

He added that there were also doubts about the reliability of temperature proxies such as tree rings: "They are not able to capture the recent warming of the last 50 years," he said.


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: angryshroom]
    #1607711 - 06/04/03 01:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, I hear you.

There is a lot of coral reefs which are being demolished at a very fast pace. :frown:

I used to live on the big island, Kona side... the thing was that people didn't really care or know about pollution. There was no recycling centers on the island, and there was lots of trash. They had more hate for hoale's than they did anything else.
There were guys who would just go down to the beach and trap tropical fish, and sell them...raping them from the their natural habitat and really destroying the population. They had to make someway! :frown:

Other impacts are driving through the forest, coming up over a hill, and seeing a whole moutainside that has been completely clear cut. Ohh...that is a gut wrencher for me. 




Crazy isn't it--being told by some Hawaiian-Portuguese-Chinese-Caucasian to "go back to da mainland" when you might have more respect for Hawaii than he does.

Even so, I was thinking about staying in Hawaii and get involved with the sovereignty movement--partly because I think an autonomous Hawaiian nation could be a good thing for the "Hawaiians" (all kine mixes now), and partly because with the Hawaiian cultural renaissance has come a renewed respect for the land.  I was even willing to deal with the occasional anti-haole bullshit.  But instead I followed a woman to SoCal... :confused: 


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Re: Good article on global warming. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1608903 - 06/04/03 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You don't expect facts to actually matter do you?

After all.... libbies are always right!  :tongue:

We need a puking Smiley.


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    #1609181 - 06/04/03 09:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.uark.edu/misc/dendro/
edit 6/5 11:05 PM Of course theres a chance that its not that exact http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/docs/tree_ring.asp, and the universe is about 6000 years old.
http://www.tree-ring.co.uk/Tree-ring%20Dating_files/Tree-Ring%20Dating.htm

Here before the master tree ring chronology has been created the dates would be uncertain. http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/stephens-lab/collins_project.htm


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    #1611107 - 06/05/03 01:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

lol, I follwed a girl from SoCal to Hawaii. She was born and raised there. Said I should go over and visit...ended up staying there for a LONG time. :laugh: I just moved back actually... Im pretty bummed that I left.

I have family over on Kauai, and have spent lots of time in Hawaii for surfing. Of course, parker ranch has some great places to pick some nice mushrooms too :wink:

I think I might miss the musubi the most...lol.


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yeah please! don't anyone post another article by her or about her ever again! it's laughable that some people are still publishing her garbage.



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    #1622194 - 06/09/03 10:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Please explain. I'd love to hear this.




Why should i explain it?


Christy Whitman as head of the EPA. LOL.


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good point


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