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luisfer420
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monotub and trays pics and in need of some help
#15890716 - 03/02/12 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i made my first monotub and some trays and having some trouble with them.. i spawned about already like more than 25 days and put in fruiting conditions about 5-7 days ago. The monotub was going great when i started seing a lot of knots followed by pins, there were about 15 to 20 pins.. when out of all of them only 2 started really growing, now they are about 10 centimetes and they veil is about to break.. but i wonder why they stopped growing and these two guys did grow all the way.. i mist 2-3 times a day and fan like 5 times a day. The holes that the tub has, they are not really big, thats why i made a lot of them.. Now my trays are in the fruiting chamber i have two trays and only on one of them a shroom came out, just one, all the way up and already harvested but why is this happening.. i waited to long just to have 3 shrooms out of a monotub and 2 trays? what im i doing wrong? please help me, ive waited to see what happens but now im getting crazy.. here are some pics of them.. thanks and peace!!
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15890760 - 03/02/12 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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first flush? maybe the 2nd will be more like right did you let them consolidate?
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15890764 - 03/02/12 02:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shitty bro. Bad muiltispore genetics I would guess? Clone the big ones in the tub and try again. Pick those, dunk, drain and put back into fruiting. Maybe you will luck out on the second flush. Good luck man, hope it turns around.
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: Dwight_K_Schrute]
#15890805 - 03/02/12 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so that is possible?? just 2 shrooms?? haha i thought i was having a different answer that could bring me more fruits. daaaaaamn that sucks!!! so after i harvest these 2 guys i dunk and roll? dont wait?? maybe some more come out?? and yeah i left if consolidate, they were in incubation for about almost a month!!! :s and i have another question, since this is my first mono, how do i dunk and drain it? i put the plastic bag, cause i read it was better so no pinning on the sides AND because its easier to dunk, but how do i do it? thanks
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15890840 - 03/02/12 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am curious what exactly your substrate was?
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: Gretchenmeister]
#15890853 - 03/02/12 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i used 2q. of verm, 5q. of spawn and a brick of coir...
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15890895 - 03/02/12 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luisfer420 said: i used 2q. of verm, 5q. of spawn and a brick of coir...
That ratio is extremely low. A brick of coir expands out to 16qts (If im remember right) and then add the 2qts of verm is 18qts of bulk material spawned by 5qts of pf spawn?
The reason the flush is bad is because the mycelium exhausted its food source while colonizing the bulk.
I would use a 1:1 ratio when spawning pf to bulk for best results.
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15890933 - 03/02/12 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats not very nutritious,i used to use that for casings(50-50) you need some sort of additives! what was your spawn to substrate ratio??
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: HybridprX]
#15890948 - 03/02/12 03:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
HybridprX said:
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luisfer420 said: i used 2q. of verm, 5q. of spawn and a brick of coir...
That ratio is extremely low. A brick of coir expands out to 16qts (If im remember right) and then add the 2qts of verm is 18qts of bulk material spawned by 5qts of pf spawn?
The reason the flush is bad is because the mycelium exhausted its food source while colonizing the bulk.
I would use a 1:1 ratio when spawning pf to bulk for best results.
nevermind me
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: cubes4cancer]
#15890959 - 03/02/12 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah that is a low spawn ratio for sure. The recipe is a standard brick of eco earth (expands to 8 quarts), and two quarts verm, a hand full of buffer. I throw in a hand full of worm castings too. Then you wanna pasteurize it at 170F for an hour.
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: Gretchenmeister]
#15891013 - 03/02/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok dudes thank you very much for the responses, now that i know the problem i need more help from you guys, the thing is that before doing the monotub i was really confused with the quarts and that shit.. im in mexico and quarts dont even exist here, so im doing all kind of converts and i thought i had it right but i didnt apparently.. so i need you guys to instead of saying 2 quarts of this, say it by cups 1 cup = 250 ml.
please, i was dying to see results and now i just wasted a lot of jars, coir and most importat, Time!! so give me some help please, i want to do it again, cant wait to see the tub full of mushies  Thanks
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: Gretchenmeister]
#15891040 - 03/02/12 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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None of your bulk tubs look fully colonized. It appears to be some type of bacterial infection w/ that ropey/stringy "mycelium." A coir tub will look like this when it's ready to be fruited:

Ditch the cheap digital hygrometer & get an analog one that you can calibrate. You need to properly construct that SGFC so you have holes on all 6 sides, as to allow proper airflow & RH.
1 650g brick of coir roughly equals 9 quarts.
1 quart = 2 pints = 4 cups.
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luisfer420
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15891089 - 03/02/12 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok bro, thanks, good info.. it looks like this because i put a layer of coir while incubation.. just followed a tek (im not putting layers any more)
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15891129 - 03/02/12 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did the pseudo-casing layer, too, my first time. This is what the 6qt shoebox looked like when I introduced it to fruiting Conditions.

I mixed it up fully, but did the pseudo-casing layer. I no longer use the pseudo-casing layer & fully mix up my spawn & bulk substrate.
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15891168 - 03/02/12 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i see.. so i this is what im doing next, tell me if im wrong.. 5 quarts of coir plus 5 quarts of verm, plus 8 quarts of spawn.. that sounds good?
How do i measure the coir tho? just grab it and put it in a cup and start measuring it like that or how??
or is it just better to do the whole brick = 9 quarts, so i put: 1 brick plus 9 quarts of verm, plus 12 or 15 quarts of spawn.. AND THEN divide it into 2 tubs? that sounds good??
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15891317 - 03/02/12 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you're going by Damion5050's coir bucket tek, it's not a 50/50 tek. It's 1 650g brick of coir + 2 quarts of verm (8 cups). Verm is for water retention.
Here's the link to his tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15891355 - 03/02/12 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah bro, thats exactly what i did.. see english being my second language confuses me a lot.. im not doing that anymore tho.. what i explained you before. This: Would this work or not?
i see.. so i this is what im doing next, tell me if im wrong.. 5 quarts of coir plus 5 quarts of verm, plus 8 quarts of spawn.. that sounds good?
How do i measure the coir tho? just grab it and put it in a cup and start measuring it like that or how??
or is it just better to do the whole brick = 9 quarts, so i put: 1 brick plus 9 quarts of verm, plus 12 or 15 quarts of spawn.. AND THEN divide it into 2 tubs? that sounds good??
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15891381 - 03/02/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No. Don't do that. Just follow Damion5050's tek. 1 brick coir + 2 quarts course verm + 5-10 quarts spawn.Quote:
luisfer420 said: yeah bro, thats exactly what i did..
If you did the tek, stick to it & you can ditch the pseudo-casing layer. Here's the link to my monotub tek. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14507008/fpart/1
Remember to follow sterile procedures.
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: TranscendingLife]
#15891417 - 03/02/12 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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but, thats exactly what i did.. i brick, 2 quarts of verm and 5 quarts of spawn... and you guys said it was poor, dont i need more verm?? I mean i dont understand how it would work if i did the exact thing and didnt function... something is missing? thanks for your time bro
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Re: monotub and trays pics and in need of some help [Re: luisfer420]
#15891433 - 03/02/12 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No. They're saying more spawn. Personally, I find better yields with more spawn. 7-10 quarts of spawn is what is what we're suggesting. Not more verm.
Think of it in ratios. You did a 1:2 ratio, 1 part spawn to 2 parts bulk substrate. We're suggesting to up the ratio to 1:1, 1 part spawn to 1 part bulk substrate. Therefore, you can use 10 quarts of spawn per tub.
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