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OfflineLearyfanS
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Question for pro-Iraq war guys
    #1588717 - 05/29/03 02:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Are you guys on board when we go into Iran pretty soon?





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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Learyfan]
    #1588726 - 05/29/03 02:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I would suspect so...


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Learyfan]
    #1588742 - 05/29/03 02:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure pink will feel it has been proven beyond doubt that Saddam moved all his WMD to Iran the day before the war  :laugh:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Learyfan]
    #1588837 - 05/29/03 03:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

god help us...


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Xlea321]
    #1588843 - 05/29/03 03:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Where is pink?...haven't read any of his posts all this week.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Learyfan]
    #1588857 - 05/29/03 03:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'll sign on to an invasion of Iran... as long as Bush gives me another tax cut...

blind them with $$$$ that's what I say. it's a strategy that works.. apparently



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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1588865 - 05/29/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Americans are pround to support thier leader......whatever he may do.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1589022 - 05/29/03 04:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, it's like as long as we get to drive our SUVs and drink our $5 cups of coffee everthing is juuuust fine around here, so we gotta drop some more bombs on some brown people to preserve our lifestyle because its the American way.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Learyfan]
    #1589395 - 05/29/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, I was never "pro-war with Iraq". I stated repeatedly that I was unconvinced that it was the very best choice for the US, England, Australia, Spain, et al to invade Iraq at the time they did. Even in hindsight, I REMAIN unconvinced that it was the very best course of action to take. However, I found (and still find) most of the arguments presented here AGAINST the invasion to be weak ones.

Moving on to the Iran issue -- if even ten per cent of those who demonstrated against the Iraq invasion were to demonstrate IN SUPPORT of the Iranians who are desperately trying to oust their current theocratic "leaders", it may very well turn out that the whole "war or no war in Iran" question will become a moot point.

Someone here posted a great link to a site addressing this very issue a month or so ago. I'll be damned if I can remember who it was or what the title of the thread was, but I do remember that the post got very little attention.

Come on, all ye protest goers -- here is an issue worth getting behind. Organize protests supporting the Iranians who are in favor of ousting the mullahs.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1589443 - 05/29/03 06:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Come on, all ye protest goers -- here is an issue worth getting behind. Organize protests supporting the Iranians who are in favor of ousting the mullahs.





That has nothing to do with america.  Let them bring about thier own reform....its not like your country is going over there to spend hundreds of billions of dollars...yet. :tongue:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Learyfan]
    #1589450 - 05/29/03 06:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Were still a few years away from attack.

First we need sanctions to degrade their defence capabilities and lower the quality of living for the people.

Then we can go in, sweep through their broken defences and "save" the people from their repressive government.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1589741 - 05/29/03 07:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'd support a US led overthrowing of the majority of the Middle East Arab nations.  Palestine (Which isn't even, and never should be, a nation) Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etceteras.  One after the other.  Then we take every drop of oil they have. No training camps, no money, no pilot lessons, no more dead americans. As for the dead arabs, I won't waste my tears on them.  they can't play nicely, they don't have the mental constitution to understand freedom, so we'll just have to stop even attempting to give them that. We take what we want, defend our interests, and those that don't like it can go live over there :smile:

GabbaDj - I don't think that we could lower the living conditions in many of these Arab nations even if we tried.  It must be nice to have never experiened any place other than your home (The free"ist" nation on earth), and still be able to dictate what they want. I wish I could do that. but then, i'd be a blinded idiot liberal to

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1589804 - 05/29/03 07:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1589845 - 05/29/03 07:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Weren't you leaving this forum or something?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Edame]
    #1589872 - 05/29/03 07:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I think he missed getting flamed, so he decided to come back.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: silversoul7]
    #1589907 - 05/29/03 07:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Condoning mass murder is a hell of a way to do it :frown:


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And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Edame]
    #1589929 - 05/29/03 07:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

He really needs to follow the advice in my sig.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1590078 - 05/29/03 07:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Pinky:
if even ten per cent of those who demonstrated against the Iraq invasion were to demonstrate IN SUPPORT of the Iranians who are desperately trying to oust their current theocratic "leaders", it may very well turn out that the whole "war or no war in Iran" question will become a moot point.

Doubtful. What effect did one hundred percent of those who demonstrated against the Iraq invasion have on the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq? Some, perhaps, but the invasion took place. How do you think ten percent of those will influence affairs in Iran? Are they to boost Iranian morale, or encourage the U.S. government to start funding and training, or something else?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: hongomon]
    #1590153 - 05/29/03 08:09 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

hongomon asks:

How do you think ten percent of those will influence affairs in Iran? Are they to boost Iranian morale, or encourage the U.S. government to start funding and training, or something else?

I wish I had thought to bookmark the original post that had the link to the Iranian organization that is asking for this kind of support. It was a very enlightening link. Perhaps the original poster will see this thread and bump the thread or something.

Anyway, the morale boost and wide international exposure is mainly what the Iranians are hoping for, although I am sure they would not turn down assistance of any kind from any source.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1590456 - 05/29/03 09:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You didn't answer my question. In your post, you said that with even a ten-percent showing of the Iraq invasion protesters, "it may very well turn out that the whole "war or no war in Iran" question will become a moot point."

My question was, How do you think that that may very well make the difference, not what the Iranians were hoping. I have no doubt that they, as well as countless groups worldwide, would appreciate international shows of support.

I'm going to go search for the article. After all, I'm not against the idea.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1591304 - 05/29/03 11:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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First of all, I was never "pro-war with Iraq". I stated repeatedly that I was unconvinced that it was the very best choice for the US, England, Australia, Spain, et al to invade Iraq at the time they did. Even in hindsight, I REMAIN unconvinced that it was the very best course of action to take. However, I found (and still find) most of the arguments presented here AGAINST the invasion to be weak ones.




You know what I find to be even weaker than the arguments against the war? The arguments FOR war. And it becomes more pathetic every passing day.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1591817 - 05/30/03 01:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, I was never "pro-war with Iraq". I stated repeatedly that I was unconvinced that it was the very best choice for the US, England, Australia, Spain, et al to invade Iraq at the time they did. Even in hindsight, I REMAIN unconvinced that it was the very best course of action to take. However, I found (and still find) most of the arguments presented here AGAINST the invasion to be weak ones.

You certainly spent an awful lot of time saying Saddam had WMD and that they were an enormous threat to the world. Indeed, your position was that since Saddam had WMD this meant he hadn't complied with the ceasefire and it was perfectly correct to invade Iraq.

Have you abandoned this position now it looks like your pet hate figure Scott Ritter was right after all?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1592027 - 05/30/03 03:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have recently read an article about Iran. (no link - newspaper). They're slowly changing. The teocracy still rules but Hatami won the last democratic president elections even if he was not favored by teocracy. He's trying to make Iran more democratic and so far he managed to stay in power. The religous leaders are just waiting for a good opportunity to get rid of him.

So what will happen now, after USA threats? I'm almost sure fundamentalists will regain the power. Another stupid intervention. It's like pissing against the wind. :frown: 


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1592040 - 05/30/03 04:00 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Some people are such fucking morons it amazes me.

That is not a flame, that is a statement. It amazes me how incomprehensibly ignorant some fuckers are, thats all, not saying any names or anything.

It just blows my mind, you know.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: hongomon]
    #1592170 - 05/30/03 07:21 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

hongomon writes:

How do you think that that may very well make the difference, not what the Iranians were hoping.

I think that it will boost their morale, leading some of the more politically apathetic or timid Iranians to act rather than sit on their hands. I also think that the US would take it as a sign that it might not be a bad idea to provide some assistance, covertly or otherwise.

It would also lead to increased media coverage - never a bad thing.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1592962 - 05/30/03 02:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

pinky:
I also think that the US would take it as a sign that it might not be a bad idea to provide some assistance, covertly or otherwise.

Like give them a big loan and sell them weapons, maybe even chemical and biological ones? And this is supposed to motivate people to act?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: hongomon]
    #1592984 - 05/30/03 02:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Or mabye like when the US first urged the iraqis to rise up? :smirk:

They are accomplishing it, why would the US interfere if not to destroy them, and make a presance afterwards helping them "rebuild" with american companies.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: zeronio]
    #1592993 - 05/30/03 02:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I have recently read an article about Iran. (no link - newspaper). They're slowly changing. The teocracy still rules but Hatami won the last democratic president elections even if he was not favored by teocracy. He's trying to make Iran more democratic and so far he managed to stay in power. The religous leaders are just waiting for a good opportunity to get rid of him.



I'm sure if the religious leaders get rid of him, it will be the perfect excuse for us to invade.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: silversoul7]
    #1593021 - 05/30/03 02:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Liberate not invade your country only has thier best interests at heart.  Amerca is great, they care so much for others and give with out wantiing anything in return. :smile: :smile: :smile:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593032 - 05/30/03 02:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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they care so much for others and give with out wantiing anything in return.



except oil  :smirk:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: silversoul7]
    #1593050 - 05/30/03 02:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

OK, If Bush is after just oil, why wouldn't he force ANWR to be drilled? that seems like it would be easier and moer cost efficient than bombing Iraq and causing our soldiers to die. Geez, you all sound like a broken record. Of a retarded person.

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    #1593077 - 05/30/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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OK, If Bush is after just oil



Did I say that?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593079 - 05/30/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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OK, If Bush is after just oil, why wouldn't he force ANWR to be drilled? that seems like it would be easier and moer cost efficient than bombing Iraq and causing our soldiers to die. Geez, you all sound like a broken record. Of a retarded person.

Jr




Exactly! he went over there to help an opressed people spending billions and having soldiers die, out of the goodness of teh american way.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593094 - 05/30/03 02:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

WE did what we did to liberate people. don't you see that? do you honestly think that the people of Iraq are going to be worse off with Saddam gone? (please, answer JUST THAT QUESTION in a yea or nay, I'd like to see what you think rather than having you dodge the question in a clinton-esque manner)

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593117 - 05/30/03 02:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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do you honestly think that the people of Iraq are going to be worse off with Saddam gone?




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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593126 - 05/30/03 02:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Well then you are a simple minded *edited*. Have you ever visited any arab nations? i'm sure you haven't. I wish I could be simple minded, not know the whole story, and stil rant about my opionions, which wouldn't be based in fact. What about all those sand monkeys having their religious rally for the first time in 35 years after saddam was gone? Are you just going to ignore that? turn the good ole blind eye to it? yea sounds like fun! fuck facts, it's soo much easier to just have opinions fed to me by other liberal whackos.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593169 - 05/30/03 02:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have lived in the middle east. Your arguments are weak, and i see no reason to waste the energy to set your misguided misconceptions straight.


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    #1593182 - 05/30/03 02:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You lived in the middle east? Do tell us of your experiences :smile: I've lived in Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and I visted Iraq and Iran for lengthy periods of time.  I know how the people over there lived. HOw many middle eastern languages do you speak, oh speaker of the arabs?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1593199 - 05/30/03 02:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Pink, a question for you as the foremost proponent and defender of the idea that Saddam had WMD and was a massive threat to the world.

Has the failure of either Saddam using WMD during the invasion or any "finds" (of even basic biological material in a test tube - never mind WMD) shaken your belief system to it's foundations? Or are you just going to brush this one under the carpet and forget about it.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Xlea321]
    #1593204 - 05/30/03 02:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that it's time, yet, to say wether or not saddam did have WMDs. I mean, this guy was hiding them from UN inspectors for 12 years, It's not like he'd have a big, brightly lit building with neon signs pointing to it. The guy hid 600$ MIL in his walls for christ sakes.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593265 - 05/30/03 03:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I just can't help but wonder why in the world Saddam(who was going to use his weapons on the US at any moment) didn't use them when we invaded his country.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593271 - 05/30/03 03:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Well he didn't use them - which is an awfully good reason for thinking he had no usable WMD. His scientists appear all to be saying there havn't been any programmes for a good 5-10 years, even Rumsfield is softening us up for the reality that there arn't any after all.

I imagine the plan is wait until everyone has forgotten about it and then in maybe 3-4 years quietly say "He never had any after all"


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Xlea321]
    #1593326 - 05/30/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If saddam would have used the WMD's, the entier would would have been against him (except other whacko arabs).  Before he had a chance to use them, he got a wee bit distracted by the 4 tons of bombs we dropped on him :smile:


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    #1593342 - 05/30/03 03:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

So you think he's sat in his bunker with thousands of tons of high explosive falling on him and thinking "I'd better not use those chemical weapons - I'm going to be in REAL trouble then..."


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    #1593372 - 05/30/03 03:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No, I think he was sitting down to eat and he got blown into chunks of sand monkey splattered on the wall



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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593412 - 05/30/03 03:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

WMDs were THE reason we invaded. If they don't find any, even Inny is going to apoligize and admit this was bullshit. Liberation was not THE reason, it was a happy side effect. Whatever reason is under the least scrutiny, since every single one of them falls apart when the issue is pressed, is plastered around as THE reason. Now that it looks like WMDs probably aren't going to be found, they're holding up LIBERATION, that was THE reason we went. People like you just gobble the shit up and never think about what is being said for yourself.


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    #1593443 - 05/30/03 04:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. My inital point, months ago, was that we shouldn't rely too heavily on the WMD argument, because their was a very minute chance Saddam didn't have them anymore. I think we should have focused on Saddams pay-outs to families of suicide bombers in Palestine, his opppression of his own people, and his violation of other nations soverignities. I don't "gobble shit up", I realize that no WMD's have been found, and might never be. For me, the war wasn't baout WMD's, it was about removing a crazy tyrant. Now we know, for sure, he doesn't have any WMD's that he can use, we knoe for sure that the 600 mil we found will NOT be used to further terrorism (be it against Israel or the US), and we know that the entire landmass of Iraq will not be used openly as a terrorist training camp. How many of these things might have been a non-issue isn't the issue here, it's that now we KNOW we are. If we'd had done this same thing to Afghanistan after the first Al Q lead attacks on UN interests, we wouldn't have had 9/11. Of course, our president then was to busy recieving oral attention to worry about a silly a thing as national secuerity.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593484 - 05/30/03 04:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You're confusing Saddam with Bin Laden again. It was Bin laden who ran the terrorist camps. Saddam and Bin laden hate each other.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593499 - 05/30/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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You lived in the middle east? Do tell us of your experiences :smile: I've lived in Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and I visted Iraq and Iran for lengthy periods of time.  I know how the people over there lived. HOw many middle eastern languages do you speak, oh speaker of the arabs? 




I have just related the story in a thread a day or two ago.  I have no idea which one... sorry.  Basically i lived in the UAE for the last 6 months of grade 10.  Afterwards for the next 4 years i'd visit her for a few weeks in christmas and meet her at a country for summer holidays.  I got to go to greece, ireland, turkey, and thailand.  While there i visited oman as well.

For your information i don't speak any arab languages....exept being able to give directions in urdue(sp) to the taxi drivers. Im 22, live with my g/f, graduated form bcit aircraft structures program, and am currently working at my g/f family business doing nothing in particular most days and making more than i could in aircraft.  Age, and education seem to make a great deal of differance of how you view people....


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Xlea321]
    #1593503 - 05/30/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i'm not saying that their were al Q training camps in Iraq, i'm saying that now we know, for 100% sure, that their WONT be. I think that I even stated that with my "how many of these things might be a non-issue isn't the issue here". Now I can know, for sure, that nothing being done in Iraq is leading up to another terror attack. For that assurance, we liberated a nation, gas is cheaper, one less gassing-tyrant out there. I think we came out ahead.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593533 - 05/30/03 04:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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If we'd had done this same thing to Afghanistan after the first Al Q lead attacks on UN interests, we wouldn't have had 9/11.  Of course, our president then was to busy recieving oral attention to worry about a silly a thing as national secuerity.

Jr 




The terrorist hate the US because you keep fucking around with them.  Mind your own business and there wouldn't of been the first attacks on un interests.  Although if there hadn't been an iraq all the attacks to come won't happen either... :tongue:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593584 - 05/30/03 04:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I think we should invade every country just to make sure another 9-11 doesn't happen.




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    #1593593 - 05/30/03 04:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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    #1593599 - 05/30/03 04:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I think we came out ahead. 




Of that im sure. :smirk:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593839 - 05/30/03 05:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Oh my! I get to school Azmo! hah right on :-)

The majority of the terrorist are either of Saudi origin, or carry the particular religious belife that Saudis do. This is called "wahabism" and it was founded by a Sheikh Muhammad ibn ?Abd al Wahhab Hidaayah. His teachings call for the destruction of anything that is non-Islamic, that is, that is not mentioned in the Qu'ran. This is the offical religion (or sect of Islam) that Saudi ARabia believes in ever since Prince Muhammed Bin Saud accepted Wahhab to his court years ago. Their offical religion, now, is what maeks them hate us. They hate western ideas, they hate "christianty", they hate "judism", they hate, they seek the destruction of, everything that is nto mentioned in the Qu'uran. It's idiotic to think that they are attacking us in "retaliation" for our attacks. you sound like Arafat. A very ignorant, uneducated version of arafat.

Also, the first attacks were not on UN interests, they were on the embassies (US) in Africa, and the Marines in Beiruit. Your claim that "if their hadn't been an Iraq all the attacks to come won't happen either" is stupid. Using your own logic, that would mean that the attacks in Riyahd would never have happened, had we not invaded Iraq. It means that ANY future terroristic event is because we attacked Iraq, yet in other posts, Saddam and Al Q are "bitter enemies".

I seem to interprete your position as "hey, doing the moral thing (freeing the Iraqi's, removing a tyrant) is gonna get us hurt! Why do the right thing when it opens the possiblility of us being hurt". What a cowardly thing to say. If you saw group of gang members assaulting a young child, and you had the means to dispose of them, would you? or would you say "Nah, their is a remote possibility they could come back adn attack me, so i'll just let that child get murdered?"

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593866 - 05/30/03 05:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Mabye you didn't read the other thread yet, but your posts are not worth reading or responding to anymore....im sure that last one was just as good as the ones before....


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    #1595418 - 05/31/03 02:23 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Johnny, how can you be so well travelled and exposed, yet be so blatantly ignorant? I really cant believe that YOU believe half teh things you are saying


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    #1595763 - 05/31/03 09:10 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

he claims to have been in the military. i was in the military and got out prematurely because half the people around me thought the same way as johny. I was at fort knox kentucky and their was segregation among the blacks and whites, really regressive stuff. It made me sick and I had to get out. doesnt surprise me at all that johny claims that he was in the military. alot of the people in the military arent their to sacrifice for country they are there because war is glorified in their minds and the thought of killing people of different belief systems legally gives them a big hard on.


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    #1595866 - 05/31/03 11:12 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i'm not saying that their were al Q training camps in Iraq, i'm saying that now we know, for 100% sure, that their WONT be.

How do you know that? Iraqs a big place. You've slaughtered well over half a million kids under 5 in the last 12 years. That's an awful lot of pissed off people. I imagine you've made the terrorist problem at least 500,000 times worse.

Now I can know, for sure, that nothing being done in Iraq is leading up to another terror attack.

Al-qaeda doesn't need a country. All it needs is money and people with a grievance. They've got the money and thanks to the invasion of Iraq they'll get the people.

For that assurance, we liberated a nation

Like you "liberated" Afghanistan? Remember that place? It's now descended into complete and total anarchy and heroin production has soared 1000% as the people desperately try to survive. Some "liberation".


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: hongomon]
    #1596252 - 05/31/03 02:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe you al live in some deep dark liberal cave, but my views aren't extreme. My views are whta we call "mainstream". the majority of America agrees with me. Come next November when bush beats whatever democrat they put up, we'll see who is with the majority :-)



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    #1596376 - 05/31/03 03:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

no they're not; they may be around where you live, but the US is a big place. Have you ever studied about mobs; how they work and how humans are incredibly susceptible to becoming brainless ants when becoming a part of a mob? Now, let's say that someone actually put that information into practice
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    #1596492 - 05/31/03 04:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, it's really a strange thing. Tramplings or crushings at soccer stadiums or concerts involve a large mass of people who individually would want very much not to be doing that.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1596953 - 05/31/03 10:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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My views are whta we call "mainstream".



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