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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1591304 - 05/29/03 11:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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First of all, I was never "pro-war with Iraq". I stated repeatedly that I was unconvinced that it was the very best choice for the US, England, Australia, Spain, et al to invade Iraq at the time they did. Even in hindsight, I REMAIN unconvinced that it was the very best course of action to take. However, I found (and still find) most of the arguments presented here AGAINST the invasion to be weak ones.




You know what I find to be even weaker than the arguments against the war? The arguments FOR war. And it becomes more pathetic every passing day.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1591817 - 05/30/03 01:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, I was never "pro-war with Iraq". I stated repeatedly that I was unconvinced that it was the very best choice for the US, England, Australia, Spain, et al to invade Iraq at the time they did. Even in hindsight, I REMAIN unconvinced that it was the very best course of action to take. However, I found (and still find) most of the arguments presented here AGAINST the invasion to be weak ones.

You certainly spent an awful lot of time saying Saddam had WMD and that they were an enormous threat to the world. Indeed, your position was that since Saddam had WMD this meant he hadn't complied with the ceasefire and it was perfectly correct to invade Iraq.

Have you abandoned this position now it looks like your pet hate figure Scott Ritter was right after all?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1592027 - 05/30/03 03:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have recently read an article about Iran. (no link - newspaper). They're slowly changing. The teocracy still rules but Hatami won the last democratic president elections even if he was not favored by teocracy. He's trying to make Iran more democratic and so far he managed to stay in power. The religous leaders are just waiting for a good opportunity to get rid of him.

So what will happen now, after USA threats? I'm almost sure fundamentalists will regain the power. Another stupid intervention. It's like pissing against the wind. :frown: 


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1592040 - 05/30/03 04:00 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Some people are such fucking morons it amazes me.

That is not a flame, that is a statement. It amazes me how incomprehensibly ignorant some fuckers are, thats all, not saying any names or anything.

It just blows my mind, you know.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: hongomon]
    #1592170 - 05/30/03 07:21 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

hongomon writes:

How do you think that that may very well make the difference, not what the Iranians were hoping.

I think that it will boost their morale, leading some of the more politically apathetic or timid Iranians to act rather than sit on their hands. I also think that the US would take it as a sign that it might not be a bad idea to provide some assistance, covertly or otherwise.

It would also lead to increased media coverage - never a bad thing.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1592962 - 05/30/03 02:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

pinky:
I also think that the US would take it as a sign that it might not be a bad idea to provide some assistance, covertly or otherwise.

Like give them a big loan and sell them weapons, maybe even chemical and biological ones? And this is supposed to motivate people to act?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: hongomon]
    #1592984 - 05/30/03 02:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Or mabye like when the US first urged the iraqis to rise up? :smirk:

They are accomplishing it, why would the US interfere if not to destroy them, and make a presance afterwards helping them "rebuild" with american companies.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: zeronio]
    #1592993 - 05/30/03 02:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I have recently read an article about Iran. (no link - newspaper). They're slowly changing. The teocracy still rules but Hatami won the last democratic president elections even if he was not favored by teocracy. He's trying to make Iran more democratic and so far he managed to stay in power. The religous leaders are just waiting for a good opportunity to get rid of him.



I'm sure if the religious leaders get rid of him, it will be the perfect excuse for us to invade.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: silversoul7]
    #1593021 - 05/30/03 02:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Liberate not invade your country only has thier best interests at heart.  Amerca is great, they care so much for others and give with out wantiing anything in return. :smile: :smile: :smile:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593032 - 05/30/03 02:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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they care so much for others and give with out wantiing anything in return.



except oil  :smirk:


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: silversoul7]
    #1593050 - 05/30/03 02:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

OK, If Bush is after just oil, why wouldn't he force ANWR to be drilled? that seems like it would be easier and moer cost efficient than bombing Iraq and causing our soldiers to die. Geez, you all sound like a broken record. Of a retarded person.

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593077 - 05/30/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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OK, If Bush is after just oil



Did I say that?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593079 - 05/30/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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OK, If Bush is after just oil, why wouldn't he force ANWR to be drilled? that seems like it would be easier and moer cost efficient than bombing Iraq and causing our soldiers to die. Geez, you all sound like a broken record. Of a retarded person.

Jr




Exactly! he went over there to help an opressed people spending billions and having soldiers die, out of the goodness of teh american way.

/me sadly shakes my head....


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593094 - 05/30/03 02:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

WE did what we did to liberate people. don't you see that? do you honestly think that the people of Iraq are going to be worse off with Saddam gone? (please, answer JUST THAT QUESTION in a yea or nay, I'd like to see what you think rather than having you dodge the question in a clinton-esque manner)

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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593117 - 05/30/03 02:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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do you honestly think that the people of Iraq are going to be worse off with Saddam gone?




Yes.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593126 - 05/30/03 02:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Well then you are a simple minded *edited*. Have you ever visited any arab nations? i'm sure you haven't. I wish I could be simple minded, not know the whole story, and stil rant about my opionions, which wouldn't be based in fact. What about all those sand monkeys having their religious rally for the first time in 35 years after saddam was gone? Are you just going to ignore that? turn the good ole blind eye to it? yea sounds like fun! fuck facts, it's soo much easier to just have opinions fed to me by other liberal whackos.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1593169 - 05/30/03 02:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have lived in the middle east. Your arguments are weak, and i see no reason to waste the energy to set your misguided misconceptions straight.


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1593182 - 05/30/03 02:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You lived in the middle east? Do tell us of your experiences :smile: I've lived in Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and I visted Iraq and Iran for lengthy periods of time.  I know how the people over there lived. HOw many middle eastern languages do you speak, oh speaker of the arabs?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Phred]
    #1593199 - 05/30/03 02:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Pink, a question for you as the foremost proponent and defender of the idea that Saddam had WMD and was a massive threat to the world.

Has the failure of either Saddam using WMD during the invasion or any "finds" (of even basic biological material in a test tube - never mind WMD) shaken your belief system to it's foundations? Or are you just going to brush this one under the carpet and forget about it.

Do you now accept your hate figure Scott Ritter was telling the truth after all?


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Re: Question for pro-Iraq war guys [Re: Xlea321]
    #1593204 - 05/30/03 02:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that it's time, yet, to say wether or not saddam did have WMDs. I mean, this guy was hiding them from UN inspectors for 12 years, It's not like he'd have a big, brightly lit building with neon signs pointing to it. The guy hid 600$ MIL in his walls for christ sakes.


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