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Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems
    #15876130 - 02/28/12 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I accidentally split open a mushroom while harvesting some others, and I neglected to remove it.  Many hours later, I looked in the terrarium again and it had rotted, although nothing bad had spread.  I removed it successfully and there were no other apparent problems or bad smell.  I thought everything was fine after that, right?  So whether this is due to this or to something else, there have been a couple areas on the cake that have turned dark.  One looks more like a deep bruise I think, and it smells fine.  The other one was a little more black lookin and a number of the little mushrooms themselves had darkened, and I got rid of as many of them as possible.  It didn't look like mold exactly, but the whole area and the tiny fruits were discolored.  The rest of the cake appears fine.  I'd post pics, but the last couple of times I was unable to upload them to this site.  I'm not sure what I should do.  I also had already harvested some mushrooms from this cake earlier, when this whole stuff was starting to appear.  Those ones appeared fine but could they possibly have been contaminated by something in another side of the cake?

Edit:  I took some pics, I can't seem to find a way to get them into my post (I'm pretty bad with computers).  Looking at the cake again, these areas were where I harvested a clump of mushrooms, and they may be a swath of bruised mushrooms remains.  The troubling thing, other than the one that rotted, is that there have been a number of tiny emerging fruits which became discolored.  After they were removed there didn't seem to be anything else wrong, it didn't appear like mold, maybe a different issue, hopefully less of a problem?

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15876279 - 02/28/12 01:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you sure the discoloration on the cake wasn't just spores from the mushrooms? A sort of purple tinted black color.


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Kizzle]
    #15876297 - 02/28/12 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Are you sure the discoloration on the cake wasn't just spores from the mushrooms? A sort of purple tinted black color.




That happened on a previous cake, so in comparison, I don't think it was the same, because this time there are a number of little fruits in the vicinity that have darkened, including inside, although I don't know precisely what color that was.  I managed to peel them off the cake, and it didn't seem like some kind of mold, I don't think there was much of a smell.  I had some similar issues with my last cake, but unlike the last time, there have been no problems growing robust mushrooms all over the cake.

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15876324 - 02/28/12 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, I've got the pics.






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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15876400 - 02/28/12 02:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Were those spots covered in white before they turned black?


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Kizzle]
    #15876573 - 02/28/12 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Were those spots covered in white before they turned black?




Hmm, I'm not sure.  Maybe, maybe not.  What does that mean?

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15877031 - 02/28/12 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you asking if cobweb mold broke out before things got dark?  Also, I'm not actually sure its black, or if its some really dark color other than black.

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15877488 - 02/28/12 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Most molds start off white. That actually looks like it might just be bruising but can't really make it out very well.


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Kizzle]
    #15877566 - 02/28/12 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Most molds start off white. That actually looks like it might just be bruising but can't really make it out very well.




Yeah, I don't think it did though I'm not sure.  And it doesn't smell or seem like mold.  The only concern is how a bunch of tiny fruits in the surrounding area were discolored, darkened up top and just a bit inside, though they didn't smell bad.  Doesn't seem like any actual mold.

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15879915 - 02/29/12 06:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I examined those areas again, and removed another small fruit from the cake.  I think both areas aren't quite black, that they're a result of mushroom residue and bruising.  The small fruit I removed was indeed discolored, blackish on the outside though maybe not exactly black (couldn't tell), and when I cut it up I saw the inside was a bit darker than normal, though not black.  It smelled just like a normal shroom though.  Could they have gotten that discoloration from temperature, too much/little water or too close proximity to bruising?

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15880028 - 02/29/12 07:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm, the other possibility is that I might have inadvertently damaged the cake when removing a cluster of mushrooms.  The few fruits that are still on the cake have stopped growing in size, which could indicate damaged mycelium, right?  If so, would that contaminate any fruits I might have picked after this could have happened, and does it mean I should ditch the cake?

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15880272 - 02/29/12 08:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm3:


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: BU4O]
    #15882467 - 02/29/12 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You could be less intentionally obtuse and tell me what you think.  Not all of us are experts.

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15884568 - 03/01/12 05:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I put the cake in to soak in water with a bit of hydrogen peroxide, don't know if that was at all called for but I don't know what to make of that cake anymore.  At some point, the mushrooms stopped growing, which considering the discoloration on some of the small fruits preceding isn't a good sign.  Since I didn't observe anything that was clearly mold, or a bad smell, I'm wondering whether it was excessive watering, temperature fluctuation or something like that.  Should I throw the cake out, or should I do something specific to fix it?

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15886922 - 03/01/12 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mold is usually pretty obvious. By the time it covered that much area I would hope that you would have no trouble realizing it's mold even though it's hard to tell from the blurry picture. Assuming it's bruising it should go away on it's own. If the bruising was somehow from dehydration it will still go away on it's own but not until after the dunk.


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Kizzle]
    #15889282 - 03/02/12 07:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Mold is usually pretty obvious. By the time it covered that much area I would hope that you would have no trouble realizing it's mold even though it's hard to tell from the blurry picture. Assuming it's bruising it should go away on it's own. If the bruising was somehow from dehydration it will still go away on it's own but not until after the dunk.




Yeah its weird.  It doesn't seem like mold, it seems like mushroom residue, the one troubling thing was the whole lot of tiny fruits that became discolored.  But these fruits also did not appear to be moldy, merely discolored, and they smelled fine.  Don't know what to think exactly.  If it continues the recent problem of fruits not growing well, I'll throw out the cake, otherwise it should be fine, I think?

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: S.T.E]
    #15890734 - 03/02/12 02:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like dehydration. Be sure you dunk for a full 24 hours so the mycelium has enough time to soak up the water.


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Kizzle]
    #15891000 - 03/02/12 03:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mushroom residue? do u mean spores?


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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Drunk3n Duck]
    #15891746 - 03/02/12 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, I've got the picsOkay, I've got the pics

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Re: Rotting mushroom on cake, and later problems [Re: Drunk3n Duck]
    #15908306 - 03/06/12 09:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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mushroom residue? do u mean spores?




No I mean bits left over from harvesting that were deep blue and seemed to get stuck on the cake, or at least thats what it appeared to be.

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