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skuzzy1232
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Re: To heat or not to heat... [Re: skuzzy1232]
#15886073 - 03/01/12 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I_was_the_walrus said: Ive never noticed a potency change. Ive heard of people cold shocking their cakes/casing to initiate pinning. Potency really comes down to the growing medium
I read just yesterday where RR said it's an undeniable fact that colder temps produce more potent fruits. I'll see if I can find it.
Did he say how cold? Has he done any alkaloid extraction? Any numbers on % to weight ratio in comparison to normal fruiting temps?
Thats how you get undeniable facts.
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Re: To heat or not to heat... [Re: skuzzy1232]
#15886663 - 03/01/12 04:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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and the well documented facts can be found where ????? exactly so i can do some reading ?
denser yeah we can all agree... but higher potecy well that would mean a cube isnt a cube ,,,,cause i can tell the potency difference huh ?
I would like to find something substantial to read too. Personal experience has shown that gram for gram there isn't really any difference. (but I haven't done an isolate side by side + eating to determin potency is pretty subjective.)
I really wouldn't want that low temp/potency thing to get spread around without someone doing more research into it. I was only able to find a few quotes on it, (and a few from TCs) but no real substantial demonstrations.
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But then it does go back to a matter of opinion on what, besides potency (for cubies), makes it 'higher quality'.
Well I might be in the minority, but I prefer my mushrooms not to be soggy tasteless mush. Then again I don't eat cubes for high quality taste/texture. Even dry, the ones I've grown hella quick seem to taste much worse (especially the ones that have started to drop spores ). Who knows tho, maybe I'm imagining it. But your right, it is an opinion. 
EDIT : Oh and OP, I think the general consensus is that fruiting in the lower 60s is fine, and most everyone agrees that it produces denser fruits.
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Re: To heat or not to heat... [Re: CMOS]
#15886731 - 03/01/12 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting this OP because I was curious as well. I have to use an incubator for colonization because it's pretty chilly where I live, specially around this time of year and I planned to fruit in mid 60 temperatures if possible. Good to know that mushies will still produce nicely in that range.
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Re: To heat or not to heat... [Re: CasperJames]
#15886789 - 03/01/12 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My first 2 cube grows were colonizing in 55 degrees, and fruiting at about 60-62.
the 1.5 grams of Cambodian I ate from that was the best trip i've ever had!
Since then i've eaten APE and F+ among many other types grown from many different conditions. Nothing has compared (IN MY OPINION) to mushies grown at colder temps. I know the F+ I ate for a while were grown in 75-80 degree temps, and not nearly as good of a trip. Yeah the potency was amazing, but the trip quality wasn't as good IMO.
FACTS: -Colder temps (<70F) grow slow, meaty fruits -Warmer temps (>78F) grow faster sometimes more hollow fruits (This still can be a genetic trait as well, depends of if working from an isolate) -GENETICS, RH, FAE determine size/shape -I'd consider the "danger zone" to be: <38F for storage <50F for Colonizing <60F for fruiting - >88F at a prolonged period of time can Kill myc as well, I've had tubs stay around the 90's for a day or two, and had yeild suffer greatly!
I hope that's helpful as these are observations that I have experienced, noticed and tested myself
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Re: To heat or not to heat... [Re: CMOS]
#15886824 - 03/01/12 05:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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and the well documented facts can be found where ????? exactly so i can do some reading ?
denser yeah we can all agree... but higher potecy well that would mean a cube isnt a cube ,,,,cause i can tell the potency difference huh ?
I would like to find something substantial to read too. Personal experience has shown that gram for gram there isn't really any difference. (but I haven't done an isolate side by side + eating to determin potency is pretty subjective.)
I really wouldn't want that low temp/potency thing to get spread around without someone doing more research into it. I was only able to find a few quotes on it, (and a few from TCs) but no real substantial demonstrations.
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But then it does go back to a matter of opinion on what, besides potency (for cubies), makes it 'higher quality'.
Well I might be in the minority, but I prefer my mushrooms not to be soggy tasteless mush. Then again I don't eat cubes for high quality taste/texture. Even dry, the ones I've grown hella quick seem to taste much worse (especially the ones that have started to drop spores ). Who knows tho, maybe I'm imagining it. But your right, it is an opinion. 
EDIT : Oh and OP, I think the general consensus is that fruiting in the lower 60s is fine, and most everyone agrees that it produces denser fruits. 
thats all im saying thanks
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I wish there were an easy way for hobbiest to quantify the amount of psilocybin/psilocin in there fruits. It sure would make choosing the correct variables for more potent shrooms easier.
I just started reading this post, skipped to the end (pretty long, and I gotta take off) and it looks like it didn't really go anywhere. Looks like some good discussion tho.
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thats all im saying thanks
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