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OfflineMeThoD
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still hallucinating
    #1586562 - 05/28/03 09:27 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

since the last time ive shroomed (3 months ago) ive been constantly hallucinating... light patterns, things moving.... and i dont think itll ever go away... its not a problem now... especially since things seem to look nicer... but did shrooms cause this?


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MeThoD]
    #1586577 - 05/28/03 09:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Hrmm i get very mild open eye visuals. It mostly consists of fuzz in my vision and is most apparent when im in a room of white backgrounds.

I dont know if ive had it since birth but i noticed it before i even touched a psychadelic.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: baraka]
    #1586589 - 05/28/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah...i think most people get this. I had it for about 4 or 5 months after my "big trip" and they just recently went away...so ive had some more experiences which have brought them back, and i am greatful. Do they bother you? I sometimes see cool light flashes with my eyes closed...but most often i get spots at the perimeter of my vision, and ill see words im typing twist and curl into themselves.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1586615 - 05/28/03 09:40 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I got that for abit after I tripped hard. Most people say it goes away, mine did. Its not a big deal since its not really noticeable if you dont focus..its things nerely out of vision.

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    #1586617 - 05/28/03 09:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: poke smot!]
    #1587122 - 05/29/03 12:16 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

The wallpaper always slides around just a tiiiiny bit ever since I have started doing mushrooms.  I don't know if this will go away.  I sure hope it doesn't Its good entertainment while sitting on the can  :laugh:


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: superfine]
    #1587432 - 05/29/03 02:14 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I think it happens with a lot of drugs; I had a long after affect with E. Loss of a self esteem and touch of reality for months, that?s after dropping 3. And NO it wasnt cool!!


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: vas]
    #1588041 - 05/29/03 05:22 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Go to Erowid.com and look up LSD, there will be a link to a side-effect described as HPPD. It is a perception-disorder that has been associated with psychedelic users. Because LSD and shrooms are classified as "illegal Schedule 1 narcotics" in the U.S. there has been a lack of research on this matter. Think it is b.s. and that's fine. I had a friend in middle school that took too much and combined his mushrooms with other drugs and now as a result he sees permanent tracers everywhere. It has been 7 years since his "final" experience and I feel terrible for the guy. Respect the mushroom and realize the fine line you walk on when you take on this cosmic/ transcendental experience. I always like to think of mushrooms as the hand that pulls back the curtain, revealing Oz in front of a microphone. The fortunate ones are often caught.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MeThoD]
    #1588048 - 05/29/03 05:25 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

so, take a few hundred mg of niacinamide every day if you want them to stop...


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: gnrm23]
    #1588131 - 05/29/03 06:42 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"The wallpaper always slides around just a tiiiiny bit ever since I have started doing mushrooms."

Same here, when I sit in my living room I can see the wallpaper shifting slightly. Although my wallpaper always "melts" when im tripping, I think it has more to do with ones mind becoming more aware of things. When I look at patterns and unfocus my eyes, its almost like im inducing an OEV, in my opinion it is a result of pupil dilation/contraction and interpretation. For example if you are in almost dark room with a lamp for light and you look at something beyond the lamp, your pupils will respond to the light by contracting, the object in the background will "shift" slightly as your eyes adjust. A shroomer, in my personal experience, associates certain things with tripping, seeing these when sober gives the impression that your "still hallucinating" or have HPPD, when in actual fact it is most likely that these events , like the pupil dilation/contraction, have been occuring for most your life. But, as while tripping these things are more pronounced, you become more aware of them in general. There are many cases of HPPD but I think some of them are misdiagnosed, especially where people themselves decide they have it, and are at times exaggerated.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1588514 - 05/29/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I can't say I ever had this....for me the visuals go away when the drug does...and by the next day I feel completely "normal"

EDIT: I do have a lot of floaters tho that I believe was the result of drugs in some way(I didn't have them before drugs)...I talked to my eye doctor tho and he says theres nothing too worry about and some ppl just get em

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: ]
    #1588622 - 05/29/03 12:03 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

dude these "floaters" are liquid on your eyeball that you weren't perceptive enough to notice before you ate mushrooms.

That's what my optometrist told me anyway..... most of the other phenomenon I see is resonance in images, like if you look at a lamp and then look somewhere else you can still see the lamp.. I notice resonance way more than I used to - I even use it to my advantage at times.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Strumpling]
    #1588632 - 05/29/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, those "floaters" might not be the liquid on his eye...

Since i was small, ive been able to see the "bacteria" on my eyes at certain times, its actually got a name, something like 4% of the population has it. I can actually watch things, just like you would see on a microscope slide on a science film, on my eye, wriggly bacteria that multiply and whatever...


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1588696 - 05/29/03 12:36 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I think my optometrist said it was pieces of retna or something that have broken away...he said it was pieces of something breaking away...may not have been retna

EDIT: that does sound like what I have pdu...but my optometrist never said anything about bacteria

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1588710 - 05/29/03 12:39 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Holy shit, are you serious? I have had something like that for a long time, but I had to hard of a time explaining what it looked like ot people and they just assumed i ment floaters


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: ]
    #1588716 - 05/29/03 12:40 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

and strumpling I would have noticed them before....they are very evident especially on sunny days...not something you could not notice...I'm not saying mushrooms did it...and possibly no drug did it....but it wasn't till after my drug use that they appeared

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Sombie]
    #1588769 - 05/29/03 12:57 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

well, ill look for some articles on it...i came across to a link to it for a long time, i was like "holy shit!" too. I dont really know what to search for...eye bacteria?


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1588824 - 05/29/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Heres probably what your optomitrist was talking about: http://www.stlukeseye.com/Conditions/Floaters.asp

but i cant find anything on google, i keep getting the same pages...dunno what to search for exactly.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1588831 - 05/29/03 01:15 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I always thought it was just little scratches on the surface of the eye

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: ]
    #1588869 - 05/29/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Oh man, I have the same exact thing too!  I've noticed little bacteria looking things in my vision for years now, long before I ever started doing drugs.  The funny thing about them is I can't look directly at them, everytime I move my eye, they move right along with it.  However, if I just relax and don't focus on them, they will merrily move about in whatever direction they please....go with the flow.  Only 4% of the population has this?  I feel so lucky now! :smile:


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1588890 - 05/29/03 01:30 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah everybody has those.

I remember when I was a kid I would resort to watching those "floaters" glide by during long car rides. I still watch them and I believe it has nothing to do with drugs. Though in some people, the drugs may have heightened their perception causing them to take notice to the things.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: OctopusDr]
    #1588905 - 05/29/03 01:33 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

not everyone has them...but judging by this thread I'd say a lot do

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1588945 - 05/29/03 01:44 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh man, I have the same exact thing too! I've noticed little bacteria looking things in my vision for years now, long before I ever started doing drugs. The funny thing about them is I can't look directly at them, everytime I move my eye, they move right along with it. However, if I just relax and don't focus on them, they will merrily move about in whatever direction they please....go with the flow. Only 4% of the population has this? I feel so lucky now! 





Heyyyyy...I always had that....i never could explain...these :smile:...anyways...I have never tripped before...so i guess they are not so clear.....are they clearer after you tripp?

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MetaMountain]
    #1588982 - 05/29/03 01:56 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

What you havent tripping before?  I would have never guessed that from your avitar. 

Come on man, get with the program :wink: :wink: 

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1589038 - 05/29/03 02:13 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah...it was in some scientific journal, some obscure study, but yeah, it said of their test subjects only 4% had this and thats good enought o say only 4% of the general public has it. I was always quite sure it was bacteria...and thats how i described it when i was a kid...ive actually seen big blobs with orbits engluf toob like squiggly things. Yup. this is cool.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1589462 - 05/29/03 04:10 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

For a couple months after i tripped 4 times in the summer i had weird shit like that happening, ei closed eye visuals, and the rest..


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1589548 - 05/29/03 04:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmm, those "floaters" might not be the liquid on his eye...

Since i was small, ive been able to see the "bacteria" on my eyes at certain times, its actually got a name, something like 4% of the population has it. I can actually watch things, just like you would see on a microscope slide on a science film, on my eye, wriggly bacteria that multiply and whatever...




Yeah, I had these long befor I even started smokin ...

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1589824 - 05/29/03 05:11 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmm, those "floaters" might not be the liquid on his eye...

Since i was small, ive been able to see the "bacteria" on my eyes at certain times, its actually got a name, something like 4% of the population has it. I can actually watch things, just like you would see on a microscope slide on a science film, on my eye, wriggly bacteria that multiply and whatever...




I've got the same shit, and I had it long before I had ever ingested any drug at all.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: the free thinker]
    #1589852 - 05/29/03 05:15 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

well in my case must have been coincedence...I had a friend who I respect say he thought thats what caused his...so I assumed he was prolly right...but judging by this thread hes prolly wrong and so am I...oh well :smile:

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MeThoD]
    #1590069 - 05/29/03 05:54 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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since the last time ive shroomed (3 months ago) ive been constantly hallucinating... light patterns, things moving.... and i dont think itll ever go away... its not a problem now... especially since things seem to look nicer... but did shrooms cause this?





I think of it as one of the better long term effects of shrooms. Enjoy it while it lasts

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MeThoD]
    #1590196 - 05/29/03 06:18 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

When I look at nice colour patterned carpets and let my eyes just stare, like not concentrate on anything, I can get the carpet to kindof wobble a bit.  I was having fun today with that before my court hearing :smile: 


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: ]
    #1590215 - 05/29/03 06:21 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I think of it as one of the better long term effects of shrooms. Enjoy it while it lasts

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Jagon]
    #1590245 - 05/29/03 06:26 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Well for me the positive effects far outweigh the negative, but I'm now very introverted, which isn't necessarily bad, just inconvenient at times.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MeThoD]
    #1590248 - 05/29/03 06:27 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

what I meant was what you guys are talking about, "bacteria" and little microbe-lookin things swimming around right on your eyeballs - there are also a couple permanant little imperfections on the surface of my eye that I can't "look directly at" because they move with my eye heh - she also said that's normal

I see them the best when I look up at a nice bright blue sky.. all of these things happen and apparently they're all normal.

Resonance is my favorite - I make artwork with it sometimes lol like by looking at something to capture its shape, and then looking at something else to overlay it - you can stack things like that :wink: its neat; I'd never realized how well the image stays with me from just looking at something for a second.. maybe in the past I was too restless to care to notice this kind of stuff heh, but my dr says the stuff's always been there and its nothing unique to see this stuff.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Strumpling]
    #1591024 - 05/29/03 08:53 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I used to notice that stuff on my eyes all the time when I was little and would open my eyes while swimming underwater and when looking at the sky.

Also if I stare at a flat surface with texture (i.e. the ceiling or pavement or something) it kind of swishes aroudn on it's own planes.... I always enjoyed it and wish it was more defined. This is just since tripping though, the eye thing I've had forever.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1591871 - 05/30/03 12:06 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

After doing a LOT of LSD for a few years (it's been a while)... well, lemme quantify. Averaged 3 hits of blotter per trip, two trips per week, 2.5 years. Some trips, as much as (equiv.) 200 hits - about 5 of those.

For weeks after heavy trips, I had active visual perceptal disturbances for 2-3 weeks after, at what I would call about 20% of the intensity of in-trip hallucinations. These tapered off after 3-4 weeks.

But for the entire period of time I was activly dosing, and for about 5-6 years afterwards, I had continual and everday visual disturbances. They were not enough to disturb my daily activities, and I was even able to bring on an intense "mini-trip" for a minute or three by concentrating on the visual thingy.

Point is, I don't think it's too unusual - depending on the lenght of time you've been tripping and your doses in that time. It WILL go away eventually

Physiologically, I think it happens because of the neuropathways that are activated (and actually developed) during the trip. When you increase seratonin and dopamine levels in the brain (which is what happens during a trip), electrical signals actually jump from one pathway (which has already been developed and well ingrained) to another pathway. This is literally what enables you to see colors, or taste sounds (a phenomenon referred to as synesthesia). If this occurs long enough or often enough, the predisposition for these neural-jumps becomes prevalent simply because new pathways are being created. Just like you don't have to retrain your brain to recognize popcorn everytime you smell it, the non-traditional pathways that allow for perceptive twists will be there waiting for simple signals to trigger it. Once you stop giving those pathways feedback (ie. stop dosing), then they don't get used, won't get stimulated, and will eventually just go away.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1591900 - 05/30/03 12:19 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh man, I have the same exact thing too!  I've noticed little bacteria looking things in my vision for years now, long before I ever started doing drugs.  The funny thing about them is I can't look directly at them, everytime I move my eye, they move right along with it.  However, if I just relax and don't focus on them, they will merrily move about in whatever direction they please....go with the flow.  Only 4% of the population has this?  I feel so lucky now! :smile: 




...I have that. :crazy: 


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Zeppelin]
    #1591909 - 05/30/03 12:25 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmmm, maybe the 4% of the population that has this eye bacteria thing constitutes 100% of the shroomery patrons......


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1592029 - 05/30/03 01:47 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm, it would appear the mass-cases of HPPD have been replaced with loads of new cases of eye-bacteria? I too have seen what you are describing since I was a child and I just assumed that everyone saw them, I still think it is the liquid on your eye reflecting light. Sometimes people read something that sounds familiar to them and believe they have it. If you all think your seeing bacteria I would recommend goinmg to an optician


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1592199 - 05/30/03 05:46 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Heres probably what your optomitrist was talking about: http://www.stlukeseye.com/Conditions/Floaters.asp

but i cant find anything on google, i keep getting the same pages...dunno what to search for exactly.




I believe its what that link describes..I don't think its bacteria...cause what is said in that article is exactly what my optomitrist was telling me it was....I'm surprised at how many ppl have this here at shroomery....since not everyone has it...I have talked too many ppl who have no idea what I am talking about

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Hooty]
    #1592587 - 05/30/03 09:34 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"Also if I stare at a flat surface with texture (i.e. the ceiling or pavement or something) it kind of swishes aroudn on it's own planes"

yeah that's resonance - since you can't hold perfectly still while you're looking at the surface, after-images are interferring with the "now" image, creating this effect.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Strumpling]
    #1593708 - 05/30/03 03:06 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I've also always had those little things moving over my eyes. I only notice it on sunny days when looking at the sky or a white wall. I think everyone has this.
Maybe we should put a poll on the shroomery to test how many people have this :smile:

I can also sometimes get flat surfaces to start moving a litlle bit. A kind of bulging and unbulging movement :smile:
I've always been able to do that.

What's also cool is to have a surfuce with a random texture or something and concentrate on that untill you start defining things in it. I can often see weird gremlins and such. That's just your eyes and brain making patterns out of noise.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1716961 - 07/15/03 12:45 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Wow i never thought anyone else saw those and ive been trying to explain to people in the past but theyve never understood. I see it alot under water or jus lookin at a blue sky. Ive noticed them long before i touched any drug.Weird..


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: soulflyer]
    #1717493 - 07/15/03 05:11 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

its Called Hppd

Halucinogen persisting perceptyion disorder

goto Http://www.hppdonline.com/boards for more information on themedical term for PERMAFRY

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: LCid]
    #1717708 - 07/15/03 08:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

yea the lil dead cell things in your eyes - i think everyone gets them.

as for HPPD, it isn't classed as HPPD until it adversely affects your life. so if you've only got mild visuals that don't interfere with living your day to day life, then it's not classed as HPPD. only a very very very small percentage of hallucinogen users get HPPD. to these people, their visuals strongly effect their lives. btw, lsd is much more likely to bring out these sort of visuals than mushrooms.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: jimbu]
    #1718271 - 07/15/03 01:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sorry but I think "HPPD" is just as unreal as ADD


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Strumpling]
    #1719249 - 07/15/03 07:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

little off topic:
strumpling, i prefer your previous avatar :laugh: 

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1719298 - 07/15/03 08:16 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

4%? I dont know man. I hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but i too can see the "bacteria". Its the weirdest thing because you guys describe it exactly. I've always thought i was seeing Bacteria in the Air, but bacteria on my eyes is way more logical. And ive always had this odd ability since before i started tripping. That and i can somehow see energy coming from stuff. Like its reverberating. Id like to read an article on the bacteria thing.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: thePatient]
    #1719946 - 07/15/03 11:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The amount of people in this forum that have said they do experience aftertrip hallucinations or HPPD is BAD news. I could just a DEA commercial "78% OF USERS EXPERIENCE DANGEROUS FLASHBACKS!"


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: jimbu]
    #1721126 - 07/16/03 09:50 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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jimbu said:
yea the lil dead cell things in your eyes - i think everyone gets them.





Yep.  They're called 'floaters' and aren't a result of hallucinogen usage.  You're probably just paying more attention to them now.  :wink:


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Sev]
    #1721366 - 07/16/03 11:34 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Ive always had transparant type things on my eye, and like posted here since they move with your eye you cant look at them directly unless your lucky and they happen to pass directly over the center of your eyeball.

As for the poster saying they move on their own or something, sounds a bit odd/untrue, not saying that it isnt tho. Im not a bacteria expert or anything but I dont think they would move quickly enough to notice it on your eyeball if they are infact alive, just my assumption ofcourse.

For me they always go downward, gravity pulls'em down, and you have to get fairly good with your eyeballs to track'em while their moving, you have to think of how slippery your eyeball is and what movements need to be made, the more slippery the surface the slower you have to move your eyeball to move'em around and re-arrange them so you can watch'em again. I do this by slowly looking up then looking down quickly, its sort of like the table cloth trick where you pull it fast enough and the dishes stay in the same place.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: bandaid]
    #1721412 - 07/16/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

lol !! I do exactly the same thing- gotta keep these bastards centered ... I went to my microbiology lecturer in varsity and told him "what's up with these bacteria floating over my eyeball- I don't need no damn microscope" and he looked at my long hair, tatty clothes, and bloodshot eyes and just kept quiet. :tongue2:
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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Ghengis Khan]
    #1721466 - 07/16/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

After reading a little bit on the HPPDonline message board you'd be hard-pressed to prove that the posters there don't have it.

And on the issue of floaters, I've had em since long before my drug use as well.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: toned3f]
    #1722209 - 07/16/03 04:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"After reading a little bit on the HPPDonline message board you'd be hard-pressed to prove that the posters there don't have it"

Or they have been brainwashed into thinking, if they walk into a dark room and they see blue sparkles, then they are going to hell for being a druggy. I actualy think HPPD is so funny so what if you have mild visuials now and again.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: TheDude]
    #1722782 - 07/16/03 07:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I get slight hallucinations regardless, especially if I go into a meditative/trance state.  If I stare at something long enough, I can get it to shift around - nothing severe, obviously, but it's still there.

Hallucinogens _do_ have permanent effects, and never believe differently.  It's just a matter of whether or not it bothers you to know that.  For me, it doesn't, and it's not disruptive.  If anything, it's pretty cool to observe.

I'm guessing that during trips, the neural re-wiring that drugs initiate simply carries over afterwards.  I bet if you tripped once and then cold turkeyed for 5 years, you wouldn't get a damn thing.  But if you keep tripping :smile:, you just keep perpetuating the effect.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1723584 - 07/16/03 11:45 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

There is no way the "bacteria" floating around in our vision are really bacteria.
It's just bits of dust floating on the surface of your eye.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MeThoD]
    #1724237 - 07/17/03 07:48 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The drugs you ingest cause chemicals to release and react with each other in your brain to make you hallucinate. One that can happen WITHOUT drugs. Your brain is probably enjoying the release and reaction of these chemicals, hence the continued "tripping".
It is said that you can ingest chocolate and a MAOI(i think) and get a "trip" similar to DMT.(Please correct me if I'm wrong)
As far as I know, its not the drugs that make you get fuked up, its the release of chemicals in your brain causing this.
Smoking opium releases endorphins(a chemical thats in your brain) to get you high. Cocaine releases somethin too, can't remember what.
These chemicals can be released without these specific drugs, inducing the same high.
From what I understand, without these chemicals in your brain, you wouldn't get high.
So......just enjoy it while you can!
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Re: still hallucinating [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #1893480 - 09/08/03 09:10 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

sorry to break ur ignorence guys but ive experienced LSD visuals for over 6 years now and the 'permenent' visuals never go away or get worse.. even when i take more psychdelics etc.. i know psychdelics ive done um over 500times and im only 20 .. what i see is likelsd right before u start peaking

idont jsut see floaters

isee geometrix,colors and spirals fratles sparkles crawling down the walls liek i was on a psychdelic

all the nonbeleivers stay ignorent it isnt ur fault u dont wana beleive in it.

if u saw my vision thru my eyes when i was sober.. ud never second guess hppd again..

why argue :smile: i know the truth..

u just debate it.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: ]
    #1893765 - 09/08/03 10:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I see shit out of the corner of my eye sometimes. Usually it's just a shadowy object that out of the corner of my eye I see as my cat. They seem to be becoming more vivid. It's not anything disturbing, just bizare. What causes this? It doesn't seem to pick up after eating shrooms or anything. I was wondering if pot might be causing it actually.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #1895409 - 09/08/03 05:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

when i started getting them after a few shroomins, every time i toked (every day) they would intinsify, now i get tracers when i smoke dank bud and curly visuals in my perriferall vision

however its not imparing in the slightest

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: enacid]
    #1895503 - 09/08/03 06:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

man i still get those visuals like crazy
ESPECIALLY when i smoke weed
i dont think they are gonna go away...at least not for me...not for a long time

and for the floaters...yea i noticed those long before i started doing drugs...i think they are inside your eye though...not on the surface

i think i once read the bacteria looking things were little blood cells in the liquid in your eye but i dont remember for sure


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1914021 - 09/13/03 09:23 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: PDU]
    #1915306 - 09/14/03 12:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

i've noticed this too. i've experienced the same thing for as long as i can remember. i see what looks like bacteria in my vision. by the way, the reason you usually can't look directly at them is because they are on your eyeball. if you move your eyeball one way or the other to look at them, they move that way too because they're on your eyeball, so you can't look directly at them unless they are right inthe middle of your eyeball. anyway, does only 4% of the population really have these? i thought they were more common than that. well, now i feel special, lol.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: cantfindme]
    #1930603 - 09/18/03 09:20 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

"i've noticed this too. i've experienced the same thing for as long as i can remember. i see what looks like bacteria in my vision."

that is not hppd. that is pretty much NOTHING to worry about..

hppd is psychdelic colors and patterns crawling down ur wall.
hppd is like a breeze constantly blowing solid ofbjects.
hppd is like being under colorful wa ter

hppd is like being on lsd.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: LCid]
    #1930661 - 09/18/03 09:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

yea i got floaters long before i ever tripped
they have nothing to do with tripping except maybe you didnt pay attention to your vision before
they are actually pretty normal

what isnt normal is watching the floor swirl around when your sober
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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1931301 - 09/19/03 12:57 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

with hppd...
u dont have to jsut look at ur floor..
thats like thoes magic eye books

if u need to look at like cement or somthign with texture toproduce visuals...this si normal eye abnormalitys uve become aware of..

hppd blankets the visual field 24/7 dosent matter if its a solid white wall oranything else.. ull se visuals and colors crawling on it

quilted blanket of phantasia

anything less could be called 'minor hppd' but i dunno if i would say its anything at all.




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Re: still hallucinating [Re: LCid]
    #1931322 - 09/19/03 01:02 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I can decide to see what I want to see in patterned surfaces. I don't have the mind control to distort more "solid" structures. But if you look at, for example, a popcorn ceiling or a stucco wall, you can make pictures, you can make the "breathing" effect, you can pretty much do what you want. It is, after all, YOUR brain.

the one thing that has been bothering me since I started doing mushrooms was the after-images. I get those constantly, especially in class, and they are distracting. At a recent debate, I couldn't focus because the after-images were so intense. Oh well.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: Noviseer]
    #1933293 - 09/19/03 05:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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sorry to break ur ignorence guys but ive experienced LSD visuals for over 6 years now and the 'permenent' visuals never go away or get worse.. even when i take more psychdelics etc.. i know psychdelics ive done um over 500times and im only 20 .. what i see is likelsd right before u start peaking

idont jsut see floaters

isee geometrix,colors and spirals fratles sparkles crawling down the walls liek i was on a psychdelic





Well for starters I think you mis read my post, I didnt say that it didnt exist. I said that some of the HPPD boards made out that this kind of thing was evil or something. As far as seeing stuff I would actualy see it as a gift, not some type of disability.

There is even some well known type of condition known as synthanaesia (sorry about the spelling). Which is when you see sound as colour ect, this happens even in people that have never touched any type of drug in their life. The people who have this seem to think they are lucky for this great gift and wouldnt stop it for anything.

Basicaly so what if you have visuial distortions in your visuial field, see it as something cool not as brain damage. I see stuff now and again where there are flases like from a pill comedown or the walls move breath. There is even some patterns when its dark like static sometimes I can even see people in my room just as I am falling asleep or wakeing up with other weird stuff and proper hallucinations. But I just find this all intresting and either go with it or ignore it.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: EvilGir]
    #1933695 - 09/19/03 08:42 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

its not jsut visuals man..

the first few years of hppd i was not all there.. depersonalized and derealized

besides that tis a perception disorder.my perception is fucked. i cant drive cause i cant trust myy judgement on how far things are from me.. my perception of time, pain 'ETC' is confused to hell..

it makes like a living hell .. tho ive adjsuted to the new norm.. mostly cause im obsessed with psychdelics.

but for most people its not 'nothing to worried about'

that statment is so fucking ignorent.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: LCid]
    #1933988 - 09/19/03 10:38 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

hey, one more person here who has seen "floaters" all his life and wondered what they were.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: HIghInOhio]
    #1935031 - 09/20/03 08:10 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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the first few years of hppd i was not all there.. depersonalized and derealized 




Maybe it wasnt HPPD but another psychological problem that was undiognosed and it just happends to coincide with HPPD.

As for Ignorant well no I am not flameing you or anything it is just my view.
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Re: still hallucinating [Re: EvilGir]
    #1935265 - 09/20/03 11:14 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

maybe ur just ignorent about hppd.. i didnty say u were ignorent besides this subject.. ive disscussed hppd with thousands upon thousands of people and read multiple researchdocs on hppd over the last 3 years, i know a thing or 2 what im talking about on this subject..

sorry to sound like a smartass but this is a subject that is obviously important in my life..

and dp/dr(depersonalization derealization) is a very common co disoder for people when they first hit hppd.. its not jsut me who was put in that state.

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: LCid]
    #1935643 - 09/20/03 02:15 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Ok sorry, If I seemed a bit defensive, peace dude :smile: 


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: EvilGir]
    #1936171 - 09/20/03 06:20 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

ignorant and ignorance  -  Im sorry, i just couldnt help myself  :smile:

I am a little skeptical of hppd as I am with most things because there is no real way to prove it either way.  Most of the information about it is just from what the patient says.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: baraka]
    #1936358 - 09/20/03 08:18 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I remember in school trying to watch the teach and in my field of vision I would get squiggly lines... or something that resembled dust. But the lights I get in my vision are totally different... they occur when I look at the space inbetween things and not at any one point at all. The lights remind me of silvery water fleas swimming around in the air. If I move my attention to the silver lights and leave my monitor in my peripherial vision the monitor begins to strobe... like you would see if you were filming it with a camcorder.


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Re: still hallucinating [Re: DasKomet]
    #1936678 - 09/20/03 11:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

ya hppd also fucks with my typeing..

alphebet soup words are. hehe

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Re: still hallucinating [Re: LCid]
    #1936702 - 09/20/03 11:23 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

" am a little skeptical of hppd as I am with most things because there is no real way to prove it either way. Most of the information about it is just from what the patient says."

acctully theirs Qeeg tests that show hppd.. HONORED medical doctors that have studied on it for over 25 years. and thousands of people who have become a acid casulty to this disorder.

so i mean.. :smile:

o well :P

atleast i know the truth :laugh:

hehe :P

im not trying to offend psychdelics tho :P
psychdelics=life

-psychonaut

Edited by LCid (09/20/03 11:27 PM)

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