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TC Colonization Time?
    #15865071 - 02/26/12 06:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

About 2 weeks ago, I inoculated 12 jars with TC spores.  Only 4 of the jars have some growth, but it's really slow.  I know it's not a fast strain, but does that seem right?  I got the spores from THE.  I didn't use one of the syringes right away, so I stored it in my fridge for 2 months.  Could that have done it?


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15865122 - 02/26/12 06:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

two months is a reasonable amount of time to store them  and still have  viability.  what substrate are you using BRF? or some bulk grain?  need more details. when colonization is very slow or stalls out i always begin to suspect bacterial contamination.  cubes dont competed very well with cocci.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15865126 - 02/26/12 06:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2 weeks is very long for germination. I would guess this is due to either to compacted substrate, badly mixed substrate, overly wet substrate, to dry substrate etc. Improperly mixed substrates will not perform well.

Also older spores tend to become slower, as Ive read somewhere long ago. Post up some pics of your jars and we can make a diagnosis:)

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15865130 - 02/26/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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two months is a reasonable amount of time to store them  and still have  viability.  what substrate are you using BRF? or some bulk grain?  need more details. when colonization is very slow or stalls out i always begin to suspect bacterial contamination.  cubes dont competed very well with cocci.




I have never had bacterial contaminations. If this is the case, I would suspect improper handling and failed sterilization. To my knowledge endospores are not present in any significant amounts in either Verm or BRF.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15865147 - 02/26/12 07:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm using BRF cakes and I followed the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" videos on YouTube:


Maybe it's just too cold?  I keep them in a container on top of the cable box and the house temp is around 74F?


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15865150 - 02/26/12 07:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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2 weeks is very long for germination. I would guess this is due to either to compacted substrate, badly mixed substrate, overly wet substrate, to dry substrate etc. Improperly mixed substrates will not perform well.

Also older spores tend to become slower, as Ive read somewhere long ago. Post up some pics of your jars and we can make a diagnosis:)

/KD





I'm starting to think that it might be too low temps or substrate that's too moist.  As soon as I can get a better camera, I'll post some pics.  All I have right now is my crappy cell camera.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15865157 - 02/26/12 07:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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2 weeks is very long for germination. I would guess this is due to either to compacted substrate, badly mixed substrate, overly wet substrate, to dry substrate etc. Improperly mixed substrates will not perform well.

Also older spores tend to become slower, as Ive read somewhere long ago. Post up some pics of your jars and we can make a diagnosis:)

/KD





I'm starting to think that it might be too low temps or substrate that's too moist.  As soon as I can get a better camera, I'll post some pics.  All I have right now is my crappy cell camera.




No way. A decrease in temperature will not hamper your jars. Dont make the mistake of heating them up. A lot of growers do this because they expect a massive increase in growth rate when its most likely to lead to problems. Mind that if you heat a jar, the inside will become hotter than the outside air so if you heat it 5 degrees, the inside will become warmer over time.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15865179 - 02/26/12 07:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I have never had bacterial contaminations. If this is the case, I would suspect improper handling and failed sterilization. To my knowledge endospores are not present in any significant amounts in either Verm or BRF.




brf and verm,  no.  Spore syringes, yes!

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15865196 - 02/26/12 07:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Those bunk syringes, I hate them.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15869170 - 02/27/12 04:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Checked my jars again this morning and found another one with some growth, bringing the total to 5 out of 12.  I'm gonna ask around and see who has a camera I can use for a bit.  Should I worry that the new growth in the jar is along the verm line, or is that normal?  When I injected the spores, I tried to make sure to get somewhere below the verm line, but not completely to the bottom.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15869182 - 02/27/12 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Growth can occur at various spots depending on where you shot your spores so thats no issue. As long as you have regular mycelium going:) Here is a pic for comparison and another pic where I point out a contaminant that can be common;

Healthy mycelium



Contaminated Jar



If you look inside the red rectangle you can see ropey growth (much like silk..) that is mold and I believe its cobweb. There are a number of other signs of contamination of different kinds in there so stare yourself blind for a while and learn to spot the difference:)


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15868913
You can look here for more info, DL the pictures so you can zoom them:)
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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15869712 - 02/27/12 09:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think the strain has anything to do with it. I am growing TC and Burma right now and my qt WBS jars of both strains colonize in about 2 weeks.

I was also worried about TC being slower than the average strain but so far it has been same as the burma as far as myecelium growth. My tubs are colonizing and are not ready for the FC yet.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Spikeli27]
    #15869721 - 02/27/12 09:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I never mentioned strains:P

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15869832 - 02/27/12 09:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I never mentioned strains:P




I was replying the OP's question, he asked about the slow growth on his TC jars so I wanted to add that I am also growing TC strain and its not colonizing slower than other strains

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Spikeli27]
    #15869899 - 02/27/12 10:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like your vendor dug the spores out from a vault and made a syringe.

Two weeks is way to long for germination with "Fresh" spores, but not un-common with older spores. And no, the fact that you stored the syringe for two months prior has nothing to do with it. If anything, leaving the spores in the syringes to "hydrate" will ensure better germination times.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: HybridprX]
    #15869936 - 02/27/12 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sounds like your vendor dug the spores out from a vault and made a syringe.

Two weeks is way to long for germination with "Fresh" spores, but not un-common with older spores. And no, the fact that you stored the syringe for two months prior has nothing to do with it. If anything, leaving the spores in the syringes to "hydrate" will ensure better germination times.




EDIT: wrong thread.

I bet my pension its his subtrate, post up pics so we can see and I bet its too wet.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15871907 - 02/27/12 05:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Okay...here's the best I could do with this crappy cell phone.  I hope this helps.  The first pic is of one of the first jars to start, then stall.  The second is a jar with no growth.  The third is the one in question where it started along the verm line.



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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15871917 - 02/27/12 05:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

looks good to me


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: HybridprX]
    #15871938 - 02/27/12 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sounds like your vendor dug the spores out from a vault and made a syringe.





I got the spores from the most reputable vendor here on the forums and probably the business, so I don't think it's that at all.  See original post for who the vendor was.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15872826 - 02/27/12 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea, thats some slowwwwwwwwwww growth for two weeks.  Really hard to tell  if sub is  too wet from those pix.  def doesnt look too dry though. could just be one of those cube mysteries. IF  it were me,  though  you can bet I would be cracking one open and checking out the insides;  i mean shit ya got twelve...


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15873803 - 02/27/12 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yea, thats some slowwwwwwwwwww growth for two weeks.  Really hard to tell  if sub is  too wet from those pix.  def doesnt look too dry though. could just be one of those cube mysteries. IF  it were me,  though  you can bet I would be cracking one open and checking out the insides;  i mean shit ya got twelve...






There is a clear way to tell this just by looking at the jar. It looks dry and stale and it looks as if the BRF has clumped up.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15874550 - 02/28/12 02:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It probably is too wet.  I notice little droplets of water on the inside of the jars.  Kind of like when a mirror or window steams up, then cools off.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15874833 - 02/28/12 05:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If your BRF is too coarse and you add too much of it the result will resemble stale bread dough, not what you want. Make sure to mix the substrate well, over and over again and make sure your BRF is properly ground. Let the water sit with the Verm for 10 minutes or so, this helps the dispersion and the Verm can suck the water up.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15884511 - 03/01/12 04:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The BRF I used was pretty fine.  I didn't make my own this time, though.  I used some finer grade verm too.  The guy in the video said to try to keep the substrate loose and airy...you don't want to really pat it down (except a little on the sides to keep it clean).

I noticed some new growth in a jar this morning.  One of the jars has some water droplets in the middle of the mycelium.  I kinda started to freak out a little, but the forums said this is normal and means stuff is growing.

Maybe I'm just impatient...


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15885282 - 03/01/12 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2 weeks is a long time with no signs of growth...


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15887112 - 03/01/12 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The BRF I used was pretty fine.  I didn't make my own this time, though.  I used some finer grade verm too.  The guy in the video said to try to keep the substrate loose and airy...you don't want to really pat it down (except a little on the sides to keep it clean).

I noticed some new growth in a jar this morning.  One of the jars has some water droplets in the middle of the mycelium.  I kinda started to freak out a little, but the forums said this is normal and means stuff is growing.

Maybe I'm just impatient...




Water is a by product of aerobic respiration.  Glucose+Oxygen=carbon dioxide and Water.  Totally normal and expected.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: SackofWoe]
    #15898561 - 03/04/12 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

3 weeks in and here's some more pics of what's happening.  The growth seems to have picked up again and the jars feel warm to the touch.  Last week, they felt a tiny bit cooler than room temp.



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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15899661 - 03/04/12 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

still lookin good. 


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15902299 - 03/05/12 04:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fantastic. Keep mixing those subtrates and youll have success every time. RR quality:)

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15902336 - 03/05/12 04:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks everyone for your input!

Now that I think back...the day I inoculated the jars...when I went to put them in the box, one fell out of my hand and landed on top of a few that were already in the box.  Could that have something to do with how long they're taking?  I remember the verm got pretty jostled in the one jar, but I don't know which one.  I just remember finding verm bits in the bottom of the box and on top of some of the jars.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15902405 - 03/05/12 05:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

prolly not... but mycelium is often a mystery.  thats what is simultainously fun and frustrating about growing. Just when you think you figured it all out, the mushroom gods laugh at you...no rush on those jars though; slow is ok...


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #15925763 - 03/09/12 05:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Stupid question time...

I still have those jars that are showing absolutely no signs of growth at all.  Not even any contamination or anything.  By now, if there was anything in the jars, I'm sure it would have shown.  Do you think I should toss out the insides of those jars and start fresh or could I possibly use them for another batch?

Also...is it normal to have the cakes pull away from the sides of the jars?  As they're colonizing, they're sort of shrinking inside.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15925991 - 03/09/12 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Also...is it normal to have the cakes pull away from the sides of the jars?  As they're colonizing, they're sort of shrinking inside.




Mine do. It is my first time also.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: BobbySkidz]
    #15926128 - 03/09/12 07:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Also...is it normal to have the cakes pull away from the sides of the jars?  As they're colonizing, they're sort of shrinking inside.




Mine do. It is my first time also.



Oh yea of course. The myc is feeding and consuming the substrate, which in return causing it to shink a little bit. Perfectly normal. :thumbup:


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15926192 - 03/09/12 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Your substrate looks fine and the fact that the mycelium is now colonizing faster certainly supports this.
So we can rule that out.
Probably just not the best genetics, but it will obviously work out.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #15928183 - 03/10/12 02:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe a stupid question, but you inoculated from multiple points in the jar, towards the glass? I'm wondering if they may be colonizing from inside the jar?

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    #15928390 - 03/10/12 05:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe a stupid question, but you inoculated from multiple points in the jar, towards the glass? I'm wondering if they may be colonizing from inside the jar?



as opposed to outside of the jar??? << not trying to be a smart ass but what do you mean?

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: rodent]
    #15928457 - 03/10/12 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I inoculated the jars with the needle against the glass, not straight up and down.  The videos and posts I've read said you wanna see the liquid from the syringe run down the sides, so that's what I did.


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    #15928907 - 03/10/12 10:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I inoculated the jars with the needle against the glass, not straight up and down.  The videos and posts I've read said you wanna see the liquid from the syringe run down the sides, so that's what I did.




Two weeks is still a long time to wait for germination, I have suggested a bad substrate blend to be the cause because I believe that is why. Spores will eventually germinate of course but consolidation might become a problem later on. A great increase in time from inoculation to germination (2 weeks or more) suggests that the substrate causes some form of issue. Your jars are looking fine at this point, but I would expect issues with consolidation. Of course there is no tell of that, so you will see. Cakes that wont fruit will be the sign of that.

I retract my statement about the jars earlier, as there is no way to see whats wrong or not wrong with them, It was just my assumption.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #15928918 - 03/10/12 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Your substrate looks fine and the fact that the mycelium is now colonizing faster certainly supports this.
So we can rule that out.
Probably just not the best genetics, but it will obviously work out.




Thats hard to tell from those pictures and I have never experienced a germination time of 2 weeks, ever. I have had 5 days germination, all over. This lottery theory gets to my nerves. I still bet its his substrate and that his cakes will see problems later on due to consolidation. We will see what goes on, but three weeks (or more) for that small growth suggests that there is something wrong.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15928961 - 03/10/12 10:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Okay...I'm taking one of the jars with nothing outside and opening it.  Let's see what happens...


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    #15928989 - 03/10/12 11:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Okay...here are the pics.  Took the jar outside and opened it up.  I didn't smell anything unusual.  Still smelled kinda like cereal.  The verm was dry as a bone.  I shook it out of the jar and it floated away in the wind.  I shook the jar a little bit and the cake popped out.  Here are the pics.



My guess - too dry?


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    #15929210 - 03/10/12 12:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Okay...here are the pics.  Took the jar outside and opened it up.  I didn't smell anything unusual.  Still smelled kinda like cereal.  The verm was dry as a bone.  I shook it out of the jar and it floated away in the wind.  I shook the jar a little bit and the cake popped out.  Here are the pics.



My guess - too dry?




There is no mycelium there at all. I cant tell what I am looking at...

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15929332 - 03/10/12 01:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess I'll let the people decide for themselves about you kdmmontana, but I honestly wouldn't recommend that anyone take their cultivation advice from a homophobic racist who hates everything about America.

Here's a link to a thread where kdmmontana, (also appearing in the thread as anon#89) goes on and on page after page about everything he hates including homosexuals, anyone who isn't white, and America/Americans.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15865566#15865566

The link takes you directly to where kdmmontana begins his campaign of hate.

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    #15929372 - 03/10/12 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I guess I'll let the people decide for themselves about you kdmmontana, but I honestly wouldn't recommend that anyone take their cultivation advice from a homophobic racist who hates everything about America.

Here's a link to a thread where kdmmontana, (also appearing in the thread as anon#89) goes on and on page after page about everything he hates including homosexuals, anyone who isn't white, and America/Americans.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15865566#15865566

The link takes you directly to where kdmmontana begins his campaign of hate.

Totally unshroomy brah!




Who gives a shit what you think aqh?

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    #15929385 - 03/10/12 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't talk to me, homophobic Anti-American racist.
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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15929695 - 03/10/12 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You are the nation who got robbed by jews, the same jews you saved during WW2 for some reason, over a stupid fucking cruise boat who jumped atlantic waters and got sunken by german subs, because they were too fucking stupid to notify themselves; there is a war going down, lets not sail into the eastern seaboard of scandinavia or for that matter any waters outside of France or Holland. No lets continue this booze-cruise and nigg-nore the fact that there is a war. Dumbasses.

You are the nation who got bitch slapped by Usama Bin Laden, the same man your own CIA trained when they fought the russians in Afghanistan. You trained him and in turn he trained a while bunch of nutjobs who raided your airplanes with the use of nothing more than lighters and some chanting. I bet the 100 or so other people failed at reacting because the terrorists werent armed, just insane and I bet that even a first grader could calculate that its better to risk ones life averting a disaster than letting a bunch of beards flying the airplane into a fucking skyscraper. But lets sit down in our seats and hope for the best. Dumbasses.

You are the nation who helped install several african dicators and then fail horribly at dismantling them when needed. You basically keep Africa in jail, because of blood diamonds. You serve Europes jew jewelry business with diamonds dug by children.
You are the nation who right now are losing TWO wars which you started in response to Septemeber 11th: which you still bitch about when it all came down to trusting bearded insane people. You personally flew the entire Bin Laden family out of the USA after September 11th and then you claimed you were looking for him? No shit, where could he have been?

You are the nation who are right now failing at everything, most of all you fail at humanity because you breed idiots, you breed religious nutjobs, losers and overall waste of flesh people who arent capable of even the simplest task. The movie idiocracy comes to mind. You have the most advanced army in the world yet you fail because you recently happened to burn a Coran, just like that. Oh, your grunts must have thought, lets take this holy document and waste it and lets make sure we allow our afghani cleaners to notice so that they can raise hell about it. Idiots.

/KD




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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15929739 - 03/10/12 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I took out a jar that had nothing going on to see why there was nothing going on.  These are bone dry.  When the cake hit the ground, it made a "thud" noise and retained that shape.


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    #15929783 - 03/10/12 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

kdmmontana said:
You are the nation who got robbed by jews, the same jews you saved during WW2 for some reason, over a stupid fucking cruise boat who jumped atlantic waters and got sunken by german subs, because they were too fucking stupid to notify themselves; there is a war going down, lets not sail into the eastern seaboard of scandinavia or for that matter any waters outside of France or Holland. No lets continue this booze-cruise and nigg-nore the fact that there is a war. Dumbasses.

You are the nation who got bitch slapped by Usama Bin Laden, the same man your own CIA trained when they fought the russians in Afghanistan. You trained him and in turn he trained a while bunch of nutjobs who raided your airplanes with the use of nothing more than lighters and some chanting. I bet the 100 or so other people failed at reacting because the terrorists werent armed, just insane and I bet that even a first grader could calculate that its better to risk ones life averting a disaster than letting a bunch of beards flying the airplane into a fucking skyscraper. But lets sit down in our seats and hope for the best. Dumbasses.

You are the nation who helped install several african dicators and then fail horribly at dismantling them when needed. You basically keep Africa in jail, because of blood diamonds. You serve Europes jew jewelry business with diamonds dug by children.
You are the nation who right now are losing TWO wars which you started in response to Septemeber 11th: which you still bitch about when it all came down to trusting bearded insane people. You personally flew the entire Bin Laden family out of the USA after September 11th and then you claimed you were looking for him? No shit, where could he have been?

You are the nation who are right now failing at everything, most of all you fail at humanity because you breed idiots, you breed religious nutjobs, losers and overall waste of flesh people who arent capable of even the simplest task. The movie idiocracy comes to mind. You have the most advanced army in the world yet you fail because you recently happened to burn a Coran, just like that. Oh, your grunts must have thought, lets take this holy document and waste it and lets make sure we allow our afghani cleaners to notice so that they can raise hell about it. Idiots.

/KD




Really guys, I don't think this guy is mentally stable enough to be giving cultivation advice to any of you.




Okay...just curious how this ended up here and on this thread...

I am a Jewish Lesbian.  I was born into a Serbian Orthodox home and my dad is actually a priest.  I converted because it felt right.  No one chooses this path in life...if anything, it chooses you because it's not an easy one at all.  Every turn is a struggle and every day brings some new brand of hatred your way.

Overall, I'm happy with myself and where I've taken my life.  If anyone else has a problem with that, it seems to be their problem and not mine.  I can't leave a lot of room for hate in my heart, so I reserve that space for things that are truly vile - skinheads, bananas, and pedophiles.

Now that the "cat is out of the bag", if anyone wishes to leave this conversation, please feel free.  Otherwise, if anyone can give me some hints on how to fix the jars, I'd like to see if anything will still grow in them.  They've already been inoculated, they just aren't growing.


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    #15929879 - 03/10/12 03:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Its just aqh who thought he had an open goal. It was fail.

aqh shut the fuck up amd lets get back to topic. Besides no one cares what you think.

ShroomerInTheRye, your etnicity or orientation has not been questioned and you havent been attacked for it by anyone. In fact your private life is of no concern or interest. Aqh just copypasted that to anger you, dont let that happen. You are better than that.

Lets get back to topic. Your cakes seem to have no mycelium whatsoever in them and they do indeed look extremely dry, we have not seen any growth so I think its time to start over.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15932300 - 03/11/12 07:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah i got your PM and I'm really sorry about all that.
As you can see, he went back to the romper room after everyone realized what kind of sub-human he was and deleted everything and then cried to mods to have our posts edited.

Anyway, PM me if you have any other questions and again I'm sorry you had to see the true nature of KD like this.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #15932326 - 03/11/12 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah i got your PM and I'm really sorry about all that.
As you can see, he went back to the romper room after everyone realized what kind of sub-human he was and deleted everything and then cried to mods to have our posts edited.

Anyway, PM me if you have any other questions and again I'm sorry you had to see the true nature of KD like this.




I never complained to any mods to have posts deleted. Besides people dont care what you think. I deleted certain posts that were overboard, yes. You keep lying, signing unsigned posts with my name and bitching about me. Take it elsewhere.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15932344 - 03/11/12 07:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

easy now, Scarface has helped me more than any single person on here, he just has little tolerance for idiots...that's not a hard attitude to develop on a community like this one, which is full of idiots

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    #15932356 - 03/11/12 08:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just pointing out the facts folks.
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    #15932364 - 03/11/12 08:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You are the nation who got robbed by jews, the same jews you saved during WW2 for some reason, over a stupid fucking cruise boat who jumped atlantic waters and got sunken by german subs, because they were too fucking stupid to notify themselves; there is a war going down, lets not sail into the eastern seaboard of scandinavia or for that matter any waters outside of France or Holland. No lets continue this booze-cruise and nigg-nore the fact that there is a war. Dumbasses.

You are the nation who got bitch slapped by Usama Bin Laden, the same man your own CIA trained when they fought the russians in Afghanistan. You trained him and in turn he trained a while bunch of nutjobs who raided your airplanes with the use of nothing more than lighters and some chanting. I bet the 100 or so other people failed at reacting because the terrorists werent armed, just insane and I bet that even a first grader could calculate that its better to risk ones life averting a disaster than letting a bunch of beards flying the airplane into a fucking skyscraper. But lets sit down in our seats and hope for the best. Dumbasses.

You are the nation who helped install several african dicators and then fail horribly at dismantling them when needed. You basically keep Africa in jail, because of blood diamonds. You serve Europes jew jewelry business with diamonds dug by children.
You are the nation who right now are losing TWO wars which you started in response to Septemeber 11th: which you still bitch about when it all came down to trusting bearded insane people. You personally flew the entire Bin Laden family out of the USA after September 11th and then you claimed you were looking for him? No shit, where could he have been?

You are the nation who are right now failing at everything, most of all you fail at humanity because you breed idiots, you breed religious nutjobs, losers and overall waste of flesh people who arent capable of even the simplest task. The movie idiocracy comes to mind. You have the most advanced army in the world yet you fail because you recently happened to burn a Coran, just like that. Oh, your grunts must have thought, lets take this holy document and waste it and lets make sure we allow our afghani cleaners to notice so that they can raise hell about it. Idiots.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #15932375 - 03/11/12 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all I care about is his cultivation advice, since this is a cultivation forum...he could be a 12yr old girl who copy and pasted all that shit, for all we know...or he could be a 50yr old psycho who has a warhead pointed at my house...shouldn't be an issue in the forum

he gives great advise and has helped me out alot...if you want to rip on him for something, let it be for bad advise...which he has given me none

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    #15932378 - 03/11/12 08:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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he gives great advise and has helped me out alot...if you want to rip on him for something, let it be for bad advise...which he has given me none




Anyone can quote RR all day long while making it almost look original; which I'll admit he's great at.

As far as not giving bad advice, he already received a 3 day ban for doing exactly that. :shrug:


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #15932396 - 03/11/12 08:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

aqh people dont care about some stupid rant I made about whatever it was. Let it die for fuck sake and do something worthwhile. I may be a hot headed ranting raver, so what. Half the board is filled with nothing but ranting and pointless posts.

I edit out what I consider to be overboard, or something I wrote when I was drunk, angry etc. It doesnt get to stay for a simple reason, its just ugly.

I can take that you dont like me but stop the stupid campaign and please, stop littering this thread with your crap, use the OTD or Romper Room and start a thread about me there.

Also stop lying about me, stop signing posts made in anon-mode with my sig and stop this meaningless got damn crusade.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15932410 - 03/11/12 08:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i have to agree with aqh. though this aint the place but i to think kdmmontana is kind of a douche bag. whenever im contributing to a post or posting my own thread and this guy stops in im like oh man here we go with expert over here who dont even have any pics of grows in his gallery  but is always giving advice on what you should and shouldnt do.
To kdmmontana you just give off bad vibes man i cant really explain it i dont know you at all personaly but you just have some weird bad energy mr knowitall thing going on. i dont like it

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    #15932729 - 03/11/12 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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justncyn said:
i have to agree with aqh. though this aint the place but i to think kdmmontana is kind of a douche bag. whenever im contributing to a post or posting my own thread and this guy stops in im like oh man here we go with expert over here who dont even have any pics of grows in his gallery  but is always giving advice on what you should and shouldnt do.
To kdmmontana you just give off bad vibes man i cant really explain it i dont know you at all personaly but you just have some weird bad energy mr knowitall thing going on. i dont like it




I have loads of pictures of my grows in my gallery. I just try to help out in a constructive way, I dont care much for vibes, because I am not a hippie:P If you cant stand me having an opinion then reply to me and tell me what you think and we can discuss it. I am open for that.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15934432 - 03/11/12 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Know what's a bummer?

When your thread gets hijacked.

:sad:

It's okay though...I'm gonna toss out whatever's inside the jars that are dry are try again.  It's a learning process, right?

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15934490 - 03/11/12 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I never hijacked your thread, they did (and its sad). I answered your questions.
It is a learning process yes but it doesnt take much to get it right.
I take it that you view this as a smaller hobby then let it take its time, some people rush into this because they want super yields but if you just want to grow some cakes and have fun, the straight PF TEK without any quirky additions will work just fine.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: mrmojoshroomin]
    #15942036 - 03/13/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The first time I shot up jars, I shot the spores into the center of the jar, and not towards the glass. I started getting really worried when I had almost no growth 2 weeks later. Thought the OP might have done the same.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: rodent]
    #15942895 - 03/13/12 04:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No problem.  I'm trying again, and this time I chose a specifically slow colonizing strain - Mazatapec.  I can't wait to get those babies going either, but first, I need to practice and get better with my TC's.

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    #15942994 - 03/13/12 05:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey op sorry about my part in jacking up your thread i just had to agree with how i feel about whats his name.
My first time using TC in standard brf cakes i noticed a a slow colonization time,slower than any other strain of jars i have done.
They did finally make it all the way though (took almost a month).
I still had some spores left over after the cakes i tried so 6 days ago i followed swwerts whole brown rice tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15788207 though i didnt pc the jars i steamed them with a dry verm layer on top. After 6 days they are way further along in whole rice then the brf cakes where at this point, like its a night and day difference literally. Maybe TC like whole food better I dont know,anyways just a thought good luck man.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: King of Pain]
    #15952358 - 03/15/12 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, and thanks for the information.  It's worth a shot.  I got another syringe ready.  Maybe it just needs a lot of breathing room.

I ended up flipping the jars so they're upside down.  I also moved them out of the box I had and into the dishwasher.  Seems to really be making a difference.  3 of the jars are almost fully colonized and the other ones seem to have picked up steam.


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    #15952385 - 03/15/12 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks, and thanks for the information.  It's worth a shot.  I got another syringe ready.  Maybe it just needs a lot of breathing room.

I ended up flipping the jars so they're upside down.  I also moved them out of the box I had and into the dishwasher.  Seems to really be making a difference.  3 of the jars are almost fully colonized and the other ones seem to have picked up steam.




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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #15954271 - 03/16/12 05:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thinking back...some light used to be able to get into the box.  Could exposure to light affect colonization time also?

I'll try to get some pics up this weekend.  Thank you all for helping me!  I really appreciate it!  One day, I hope I get to answer the questions and not just ask them.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15954290 - 03/16/12 05:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thinking back...some light used to be able to get into the box.  Could exposure to light affect colonization time also?

I'll try to get some pics up this weekend.  Thank you all for helping me!  I really appreciate it!  One day, I hope I get to answer the questions and not just ask them.



Ambient light has been proven to be good for mycelium at all stages of growth. I let my jars sit out on a shelf and open the shades during the day. I usually never have jars that take over two and a half weeks to fully colonize no matter the "strain" (TC is just another variety of psilocybe cubensis).

Also you need to get them jars out of the box. Having your jars enclosed restricts GE (gas exchange). If they are not getting proper GE, that will greatly impede colonization times or even cause the mycelium to stall. Mycelium like humans need oxygen and as a byproduct of it's oxygen comsupmtion produces Co2; what would happen if you stuck a bag over your head and breathed in the Co2 you exhaled while getting very little fresh air? You most likely will die or pass out.

Your temp of 74F is pretty much perfect for cultivating cubes.

Your cakes were definitely too dry, if you used the correct amount of water in your substrate mix then you must have cooked them instead of sterilized them. Make sure the jars are not on the bottom of the pot/PC (two layers of jar lids work great for keeping them off the bottom, you can improvise with anything though if you don't have spare jar lids) and that there is plenty of water through-out the process.

Also make sure that you are shaking your syringe between inoculating every jar to ensure your spores are not clumping and you are getting a good amount of spores at each inoculation point.

Good luck  :fasted:

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #15954683 - 03/16/12 09:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is lulz:lmafo:
I see like 10 reasons this should have been locked time ago.  Right from the OP:rofldrunk:

To the OP the jars that didnt grow in case you havent figured this out are shot toss them.  My first jars took 10-14 days to show growth.  I started 5 different "strains"  They all took upwards of 2 months to colonize and consolidate.  TC was one of them.  Now at the same point I have genetics that will colonize a quart in under 9 days from MS.  You see growth within 36 hours usually 24.  Ive grown probably 50 different types of cubes.  Besides very small little differences there isnt much they are all pretty much the same.  So toss those jars make up some new ones and shot them up with the TC syringe in your fridge or some new genetics it doesnt really matter.  Just get at it.

BTW :wtf: does anyones personal beliefs have anything to do with MC.  Take that trolling shit to OTD with all the retards.  Leave MC for cult.  I could be a racist skinhead burning jews or some islamic radical strapping myself with explosives it has absolutely no bearing here.

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    #15955446 - 03/16/12 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Couldnt agree more. But because aqh insisted on copypasting anon posts from OTD under my name and sending out pm;s to the OP who later started a butthurtz post concerning herself. I told her it didnt matter and continued the conversation about her jars. To be frank, Ive stopped giving a shit about what people think of me. I am stilla damn good cultivator and thats what matters.

aqh quit wasting forum space and start making yourself useful.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15957280 - 03/16/12 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Allow me my moment of butthurt.  I wanna own my newbie-ness in all its newbie glory.

Anyways, here's the latest pics.  So far, so good on about 6 of the jars.  I took 3 of the "dead" cakes and tried an experiment.  I shot them up with Koh Samui Super Strain.  Sure enough...there's growth after about 4 days.  I am astounded.

Thank you all again!



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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #15958312 - 03/17/12 02:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Allow me my moment of butthurt.  I wanna own my newbie-ness in all its newbie glory."
Thats fine, just stop bringing your own personal life into the argument,

Excuse me but why have you placed your jars inside your dishwasher?

Get some decent shots of those jars because that growth looks wierd..
Besides placing them upside down wont help a thing, so you can stop that.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15958362 - 03/17/12 03:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Allow me my moment of butthurt.  I wanna own my newbie-ness in all its newbie glory."
Thats fine, just stop bringing your own personal life into the argument,

Excuse me but why have you placed your jars inside your dishwasher?

Get some decent shots of those jars because that growth looks wierd..
Besides placing them upside down wont help a thing, so you can stop that.




Dude she started a thread about her grow, you helped fill it with bullshit and your still going on about it. You claim to be a good cultivator but you have spent most of your time butthurt ranting. Stop bringing your personal crap into her thread and give some decent advice or GTFO.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: King of Pain]
    #15962525 - 03/18/12 07:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Justcyn - I'm trying the WBR tek today.  Gonna try the TC's on this tek and also try some Maz's.


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    #15966935 - 03/19/12 11:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OP you just wont listen.

1. Flipping your jars doesnt help shit.

2. Give us pictures of your jars helps.

3. Dont listen to aqh or influence; theyre just plain out wrong and wont help a damn thing.

Go with the PF TEK the first thing you do and learn it.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15967589 - 03/19/12 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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OP you just wont listen.

1. Flipping your jars doesnt help shit.

2. Give us pictures of your jars helps.

3. Dont listen to aqh or influence; theyre just plain out wrong and wont help a damn thing.

Go with the PF TEK the first thing you do and learn it.



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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15977612 - 03/21/12 05:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah you're a damn good cultivator with the pf-tek which has a literal translation of you're still a newb.
No one takes you seriously at this point.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #15979075 - 03/21/12 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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aqh said:
Yeah you're a damn good cultivator with the pf-tek which has a literal translation of you're still a newb.
No one takes you seriously at this point.

OP, any updates on this?




Aqh, your words mean nothing to me.


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OP you just wont listen.

1. Flipping your jars doesnt help shit.

2. Give us pictures of your jars helps.

3. Dont listen to aqh or influence; theyre just plain out wrong and wont help a damn thing.

Go with the PF TEK the first thing you do and learn it.




:lolsy: Point out one thing that I advised that is wrong, one thing.




This entire stupid thread derailed at the point where the TS used the dishwasher for storage and youre being pests for stealing her thread for nonsense.

Aqh, I am a no noob and it doesnt take massive bulk grows to become good at this, this is some penis envy myth that keeps spreading: If I do a massive bulk grow then people will automatically think I am cool and know everything.

I am a VERY good PF TEK grower, which is why I dont dabble with bulk substrates.

That makes me experienced; in that section no matter what you think.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15979097 - 03/21/12 11:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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kdmmontana said:
Quote:

aqh said:
Yeah you're a damn good cultivator with the pf-tek which has a literal translation of you're still a newb.
No one takes you seriously at this point.

OP, any updates on this?




Aqh, your words mean nothing to me.


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OP you just wont listen.

1. Flipping your jars doesnt help shit.

2. Give us pictures of your jars helps.

3. Dont listen to aqh or influence; theyre just plain out wrong and wont help a damn thing.

Go with the PF TEK the first thing you do and learn it.




:lolsy: Point out one thing that I advised that is wrong, one thing.




This entire stupid thread derailed at the point where the TS used the dishwasher for storage and youre being pests for stealing her thread for nonsense.

Aqh, I am a no noob and it doesnt take massive bulk grows to become good at this, this is some penis envy myth that keeps spreading: If I do a massive bulk grow then people will automatically think I am cool and know everything.

I am a VERY good PF TEK grower, which is why I dont dabble with bulk substrates.

That makes me experienced; in that section no matter what you think.



Dude get real, I stole her thread for nonsense? My first post was helping her; only cause you kept going on with your bullshit did I ever say anything to you. But you tell people not to listen to me cause your butthurt? I never gave her any bad advice, and as I pointed out before I only ever got sidetracked cause of YOUR non-stop bullshit posts. All I said to you was giver some good advice or GTFO. You keep saying agh's words mean nothing to you yet you keep replying with more cry baby non-sense.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #16000169 - 03/26/12 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well...we appear to have shrooms...I'm sorry the pics suck.  I don't have a great camera yet.  The one I had wasn't that great and died on me this week.

Here's what happened.

I was keeping a close eye on the jars, and then I went out of town on a retreat this weekend.  I wasn't home from Thursday to Sunday.  When I got home, I noticed growth in the jars.

I also tried the WBR suggestion and I can't believe the difference it made.  Night and day.  The funny thing is with the WBR method that the shallow, half pint jars don't seem to be colonizing as well as the jars you're not supposed to use.  I'll try to get pics of those.  I tried, but I'm working with a crappy cell phone and I can't upgrade it until July.

The first 2 pics are of the growth and the second 2 pics are right jar / wrong jar thing.  What's even more amazing is that in the wrong jars, the bottoms are colonizing just fine.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #16005630 - 03/27/12 08:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The reason people say that you are not supposed to use pint jars is that they are prone to contaminate before the substrate can fully colonize, or the jars stall. Quite a few people still use them anyways they are just not recommended.

Do those jars have mushroom pins in them?

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #16014586 - 03/29/12 04:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think there are actual shrooms in there, man!  This weekend, I'm going to take them out of the jars, sniff the cakes, and determine what to do next.  I think I'm gonna toss the cakes outside and see what happens.


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    #16017537 - 03/30/12 03:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If they are pinning in the jars you should birth them. Unless the substrate is not fully colonized. Good job :thumbup:

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #16022920 - 03/31/12 07:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wanted to open the jars outside, just in case.  Everything looks fine, but since I'm still new at this, I want to examine the cakes safely and not let my n00biness destroy my house or health.  Is it safe to dunk the cakes?  I'm going to put them outside and use Moe's Outdoor Tek, but I want to use coir instead of straw.

What's amazing is that, at the same time these cakes are ready, I've got some WBR jars almost ready too.  Those colonized very quickly, so maybe in the future, I'll stick with WBR instead of BRF.  I added a touch of honey to the rice while it was cooking.  At first, nothing seemed to be happening, then a few days later...*poof*  White Jars.

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    #16023146 - 03/31/12 09:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Once TC gets rolling, it is a very fast strain to work with. Also the ones from THE have the albino substrain in them. I grew that strain for better than 4 years. Strong one too.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #16023724 - 03/31/12 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay...again...sorry for the crappy pics, but I went to a pawn shop today to look for a better camera.  I'll get better, I promise.  I birthed 5 of the cakes since they were ready.  I expect the other ones will be ready in about a week or so (*fingers crossed*).  So, here's some birthday pics.

While they were being birthed, a shroom fell off, and I kept it, but I noticed that the stem looked bruised.  I didn't wanna trash it, so I rinsed it and snapped a pic.  The part that looks bruised was pushed up against the lid of the jar, so I think it's just a bruise, but I am a n00b and I don't wanna get sick.



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    #16023865 - 03/31/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Rinsing is bad you want to let it dry and then clean it off with a toothbrush or something similar. A lot of water will bruise it more.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: rgsamson1989]
    #16024147 - 03/31/12 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Rinsing is bad you want to let it dry and then clean it off with a toothbrush or something similar. A lot of water will bruise it more.



do what? rinsing it wil be fine. you do not want to ruff the mycelium up. Using a tooth brush will tear the mycelium up, further bruising the cake. You can even do a dunk on the cakes.


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: mister]
    #16024197 - 03/31/12 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've got the cakes dunking now, but is that little one that fell off okay to eat?  After the cakes have been sitting in the water overnight, I'm going to crumble them on a bed of coir and throw some earthworm castings on it mixed with coir.  Then, I'm going to give it all a good drink and see what happens.  At least...that's the gist of Moe's Outdoor Tek from what I can see.


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    #16035734 - 04/02/12 08:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've got the cakes dunking now, but is that little one that fell off okay to eat?  After the cakes have been sitting in the water overnight, I'm going to crumble them on a bed of coir and throw some earthworm castings on it mixed with coir.  Then, I'm going to give it all a good drink and see what happens.  At least...that's the gist of Moe's Outdoor Tek from what I can see.



Yes you can eat bruised fruits. If a mushroom goes bad it will turn black and mushy. You look like you got things down, good job :thumbup:

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #16052655 - 04/06/12 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks!  I noticed that there's a lot of flies on my patch outside.  Really small ones.  Is that normal?

edit:
When I got home from work, I checked the patch.  What's nice is there's a constant flow of, what I believe to be, tamarind berries that fall onto the patch.  Not too much...just like a few here and there.  Anyways, I scratched a little part of the surface to try to get and idea of what was going on underneath, and there was some nice, healthy white growth in the poo/coir mix.  I didn't scratch a lot...just like a small paper clip size.  I stopped because it felt like tearing, sort of.

I was really afraid I didn't mix the poo and coir together well.  Looks like everything is going like it should.

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    #16059603 - 04/08/12 12:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Glad things are working out for you. I have never done an outside patch as I live in WI and it wouldn't be worth the time ( well for cubes anyways) Are you keeping the patch watered? What are the temps like right now?

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    #16060139 - 04/08/12 07:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's 73 right now with the humidity at 55%.  I water the patch everyday, paying special attention to dry spots.  Usually in the morning.  It's been over a week now and nothing's really happening, but I have a feeling I'll be pleasantly surprised.  I tried Moe's Outdoor Tek, and it said that I should get a shady spot, but if the patch gets some sunlight everyday, that's okay too.  The patch seems to get some sun from 9:00 am to 10:30 am.

My God...it just hit me...I hope I'm not steaming the patch with the sun and the heat and the early morning watering.  It was kind of hot last week.  I'll switch to watering in the evening.


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    #16074099 - 04/11/12 05:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm...Nothing seems to be happening yet in the patch, but interestingly enough, the mycelium has started to come through the worm poo and is starting to colonize those little berries that fall on the patch.


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    #16082657 - 04/12/12 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I bet it will fruit soon now that the mycelium is exposed to fresh air. Make sure you post pics if it fruits :awesomenod:

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    #16123750 - 04/22/12 10:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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kdmmontana said:
Quote from Family guy..

Stewie.: You poor damn fool...

Peter: You see this is why we have TEKS, so that things like these dont happen...

Peter: I may be an idiot, but theres ONE thing I am not, and that sir, is an idiot.

Choose which one suits you best and go with it...

Mycology ends with -ology because it was made by and for people with a brain.

And besides..where the fuck in the PF TEK does it say "put tinfoil under your jar lids"?

Either youre dumb enough not to be able to read, or you were so high that you completely missed the following parts of the PF TEK for dummies (which is a dumbass TEK description anyway..)

1. The guy never uses lids, he uses regular drinking glasses, with tinfoil instead of lids..

2. Youre using way too large jars, no one in any PF TEK suggests using half litre jars..

3. Heating mats belong in incubators, but those are usually only needed if you live in antarctica or feel like being special. I dont use a heating mat and 25 degrees celcius will do just fine for any PF TEK.

4. You obviously havent got a clue about whats going on here, but youre skilled enough to take photor, make an account here only to make a complete dumbass of yourself..are you a savant or just irregurarly stupid?

5. You qualify as number one on my "the dumbest idiots to enter their post on shroomery" list...so far..

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: aqh]
    #16127296 - 04/23/12 05:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We definitely have shroomies!  It took a long time to get it done tho.  I followed Moe's tek (but subbed coir for straw) and watered 1-2 x's a day.  Nothing happened for a real long time, so I took a small shovel and kind of mixed the soil in with the natural sandy dirt.  I kept watering it and still nothing until this weekend when we had a big rainstorm.  Overnight...SHROOMIES!!!  In the third pic, there's a little one starting next to the big one!



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    #16127929 - 04/23/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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We definitely have shroomies!  It took a long time to get it done tho.  I followed Moe's tek (but subbed coir for straw) and watered 1-2 x's a day.  Nothing happened for a real long time, so I took a small shovel and kind of mixed the soil in with the natural sandy dirt.  I kept watering it and still nothing until this weekend when we had a big rainstorm.  Overnight...SHROOMIES!!!  In the third pic, there's a little one starting next to the big one!





Thats Awesome :awesomenod: Glad it worked out for you, have you tried any yet?
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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #16129424 - 04/23/12 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not yet...I don't know if the big one is ripe enough.  I'm going to give it a few more days and see what happens.  In the meantime, I'll keep them watered and happy!  I'll post pics when I harvest whatever is out there.  There's a small patch of shroomies I missed.  Looks like I'm going to have to go over the patch with a fine toothed comb.

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    #16130164 - 04/23/12 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There's nothing quite as beautiful as an outdoors grow. Good job! :mushroom2:

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    #16131984 - 04/24/12 04:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, I decided to pick the first one this morning after reading the forums last night.  Apparently, this one was over ripened, but I'm new and it's no big deal.  I can't wait to try it and see what happens!



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    #16150461 - 04/28/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There's a part of the patch where the cake became half unburied from watering and rain and it's got a huge cluster of shroomies going right now!  I'll take pics in a day or two when they've grown a little bit, but I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it!


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    #16151196 - 04/28/12 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There's a part of the patch where the cake became half unburied from watering and rain and it's got a huge cluster of shroomies going right now!  I'll take pics in a day or two when they've grown a little bit, but I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it!



Hell ya, this has inspired me to go bury some cakes I don't have room for. It's still a tad cold here so I might hold off a bit.

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: The Influence]
    #16155922 - 04/29/12 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Influence - Good luck on your outdoor grow when you can make it happen!  Can you pretty much only bury your cakes in the summer?

Here's some pics I took today.  It's been raining all weekend and it looks like it might rain all week.  It's okay because the shroomies seem to love it.  In this cluster, there's at least 16-17 shroomies!



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    #16156133 - 04/29/12 04:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Damn your project really has turned out great :awethumb: Ya I live in WI and the mycelium would not survive long in spring or fall I'm afraid.

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    #16161274 - 04/30/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay...another update.  It's been raining like crazy here for days now.  I went out to the patch to see how it was doing and it was ready to be picked.  The first pic shows what I saw when I walked up to it today.  The next 3 are the harvest.  The last one is of one of the shrooms that grew underneath the "canopy" and got spores all over it!

18 shroomies total from this round, 24 total overall!



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    #16186889 - 05/05/12 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Found this today by complete surprise!  I started some Maz's on WBR at the same time as the TC's, and didn't see anything happening...until today.  I accidentally stumbled on this as I was cutting the grass.



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    #16187119 - 05/05/12 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That was from a seperate outdoor patch or the same one? That one is a monster! Just buried my cakes today as it is finally warm enough.

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    #16187206 - 05/05/12 06:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It was a separate patch, but the jars were started at the same time.  I gotta tell you...this WBR technique really makes a huge difference.  I haven't seen anything come from the BRF cakes I buried.

I put it on a scale, and it's .80 oz without the little one that came with it.  It was quite a shocker to see it!  LOL!


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    #16187283 - 05/05/12 06:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ah I was mistaken then. I thought you were getting the others from buried cakes and this just popped from the WBS. I just got a PC, coir, polyfil, WBS, and some qt jars so no more cakes here.

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    #16187290 - 05/05/12 06:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how in the fuck did this strain thread get to 6 pages

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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: k00laid]
    #16187336 - 05/05/12 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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how in the fuck did this strain thread get to 6 pages

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Cause we haven't been discussing strain the whole time after the OP learned that a cube is a cube. And then there was some off topic arguing, then it became a grow log. Skip from page 1-6 did we?

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    #16187407 - 05/05/12 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

every time


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Re: TC Colonization Time? [Re: k00laid]
    #16211190 - 05/10/12 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It just keeps fruiting and fruiting and fruiting!  The first 3 pics are of some new growth.  The last pic is of a separate patch where my monster Maz came from.  Found 4 more shroomies there today!

After all this time, and through this whole thread, I've determined that WBR works better for me than BRF.  I can't wait until I'm off this medicine and I can actually give 'em a try!



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