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    #15851317 - 02/23/12 07:57 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: what are the different kinds of [Re: Absolem0918]
    #15851384 - 02/23/12 08:17 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

There's LSD, and LSD.

To my understanding "Acid" is a name thrown around like "Ecstasy".  All sorts of RC's are sold as "Acid" and have been since the 60's. Likewise all sorts of shit has been sold as "Ecstasy" that contains no MDMA/MDA, the substance originally tagged as "Ecstasy".


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    #15851460 - 02/23/12 08:37 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Absolem0918]
    #15851463 - 02/23/12 08:37 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

In my experience LSD on blotter paper is the safest because not too many chemicals can fit on blotter. (there's still a lot, don't get me wrong. It's just pills, powder and liquid are FAR more likley to be non-lsd/fake than blotter)

The other majors players found on blotter were the DOX serious and they were very different from LSD in duration and effect to the point where once you had it in your possession you KNEW it wasn't LSD.

The NBOMe's are similar to LSD the the point where I'm sure newbies that have never used LSD before might mistake it for LSD.

If the blotter numbs your tongue/mouth and tastes extremely bitter/chemical then it's NOT LSD. LSD won't numb your mouth like this.

Also, the NBOMe's, while similar to LSD, are still very different and any experienced tripper should be able to tell the difference. Even if they don't notice the obvious bitter chemical numbness going on.

So ultimately I think the biggest risk of "fake acid" is toward the newbies to the psychedelic realm, because they don't know what to look for and how to identify the real thing. Experienced players won't have this problem.

What I'm more curious about is "clean acid". This one has always struck me as interesting. Things that are obviously LSD can feel "cleaner" than other "less clean" blotters. Maybe it's entirely psychological? I heard someone suggest it's because of extra iso-LSD ratio, thoughts?


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Dawks] * 1
    #15851477 - 02/23/12 08:44 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I've seen experienced trippers, old schoolers who toured with the dead and have eaten the cream all who know LSD to a T eat 25cNbome and put their word on it that it was L. Later I found out what's had wasn't L and they tell me that I'm mistaken that the hits I gave them were L and nothing less.

Some people look past bitterness because it can be acquired outside the synth>laid process. Blotters meet a lot of hands.

I've never heard Acid being a word like ecstasy that refers to mixed substances sold as LSD
Acid has always just been another word for LSD.

Anything that is not LSD sold as LSD is not acid/LSD. Period.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: PeterPanda209]
    #15851637 - 02/23/12 09:28 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

LSD is a chemical. I would think in the truest since, only LSD is acid. Everything else is just some other chemical being sold as acid to unsuspecting people.

The only thing then that could change is 1) amount being sold as a 'hit' and 2) impurities. If made right, handled correctly and carefully, it should not have Impurities,  by-products or decomposition products. But....

But, what is being sold as acid is another story. Can't help with that, some people will do anything for money.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Dawks]
    #15852242 - 02/23/12 12:18 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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I've never heard Acid being a word like ecstasy that refers to mixed substances sold as LSD
Acid has always just been another word for LSD.

Anything that is not LSD sold as LSD is not acid/LSD. Period.




This is how it is for me. Let's please not let the same thing happen to the word acid as it did to ecstasy.

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What I'm more curious about is "clean acid". This one has always struck me as interesting. Things that are obviously LSD can feel "cleaner" than other "less clean" blotters. Maybe it's entirely psychological? I heard someone suggest it's because of extra iso-LSD ratio, thoughts?





I believe in the clean/less clean lsd thing. I have had some stuff that wasn't bitter and I was sure was lsd that just had lots of body load and anxiety, and I have had other lsd that felt clean, pure, and euphoric. The psychical and mental differences between some batches of lsd I have tried have been astounding. I am guessing the unclean stuff has more impurities in it or some precursor chemicals left or something of that nature. I can't say for sure what causes it, all I can say is I have experienced it.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Absolem0918]
    #15852257 - 02/23/12 12:23 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Just as others have said, there is only one LSD. It's the same chemical, but layed out in doses of different intensity depending on who you get it from. The RCs are entirely different chemicals that get passed off as "acid".


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Dawks]
    #15852271 - 02/23/12 12:26 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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What I'm more curious about is "clean acid". This one has always struck me as interesting. Things that are obviously LSD can feel "cleaner" than other "less clean" blotters. Maybe it's entirely psychological? I heard someone suggest it's because of extra iso-LSD ratio, thoughts?




I used to say that different batches had different feels, and I stuck to my guns hard on that one.  Since though, I think I've started to change my mind.  I had this really heady batch that had this very specific feel to it.  Then all of a sudden, BAM...it completely changed and that feel that I was so convinced was strongly attributed to that particular batch was totally gone.  Again, with the most recent batch I had, it had a very specific feel...then, on one trip I got the generic melty lucy feeling that the previous batch that supposedly had a specific batch had disintegrated into.  Then, on another trip with that batch, it got a completely NEW feel that was very similar to other very clean trips I'd had.

So all in all, I'd say that it's probably in people's heads.  There are a very large variety of factors that could lead to creating a certain type of trip for yourself and then keeping it going, and a variety of factors that could cause other people to have the same type of trip as you.  Shit going on in your area, everyone's vibe at the time, everyone riding off YOUR vibe...the list could go on and on.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15852444 - 02/23/12 01:05 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

ok guys possible newbie question, but what was the announcement at woodstock that went like "do not take the brown acid"... was it a reference to blotter sheets that were brown?


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: tokinman21]
    #15852451 - 02/23/12 01:07 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i figure its the ug dose amount that makes the different feels.
but i also think experienced trippers could possibly tell the difference between different parts of the trip.
lsd is lsd. it should feel pretty clean
duration is the biggest thing, that will help you figure out if what you got was actually acid or not..
the DO-x series lasts way longer than the nbomes...
but lsd is most commonly, just lsd. if it were a rc youd be sold the rc. hopefully. or whomever you buy your shit from is exetremly stupid and irresponsable.
LSA is a completly different chemical than LSD...lsd, is well lsd
it is still out there, and various chemistry manuals, are so spread throught the world on how to make it, theres always someone somewhere doing it.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15852569 - 02/23/12 01:41 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

First time i did "acid" it was chemical tasting as shit and lasted 15 hours when i took 2 hits. I'm sure it was an RC and i havent even tried buying it again until im sure its the real shit.

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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Misto]
    #15852601 - 02/23/12 01:50 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

isn't acid slightly metallic tasting? not bitter but that zingy coin taste.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: JilPil]
    #15853891 - 02/23/12 06:05 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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isn't acid slightly metallic tasting? not bitter but that zingy coin taste.




That's probably just the paper it's on. Many people confuse the saying "if it's bitter, it's a spitter" with the slight, metallic, perhaps bitter taste of the paper and the ink.

The RC's literally feel like you put some foreign chemical in your mouth and it's very very noticeable (like chewing up an aspirin), not subtle at all.

Not easy to mistake to two.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Dawks]
    #15853923 - 02/23/12 06:11 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I'm going copy/paste this for those who can't see the Crystal to Blotter Thread;


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I have decided to make this thread to consentrate info that I have posted in other post`s. I will discuss LSD crystal and what happens with it.This info is from my experiances a long time ago.I can safely offer it because I have retired from this line of work and stay far away from it.

First I will briefly discuss the people or family as there called so you can get an appreciation for what they do and have done. The family is motivated to spread LSD because we believe that LSD is a key givin to us from above. LSD was givin to man from god to help him see the error of his ways. Why do you think it was discovered during the most horrible time in history. It is the antidote for the atomic bomb. It`s doesn`t matter if you beleive this or not ,because what i`m trying to express is how deeply important the family feels about the sacred value of LSD. Those who are at the upper level`s of the family will gladly sacrifice there lifes and freedom to do this work.

OK now down to the crystal. I have little knowlege about LSD manufacture so i`m going to talk about the final product the crystal. On tour crystal came in brown glass bottles with 1-10 grams in them. The bottles were sealed and contained CO2 and crystal. You can`t just buy crystal from family. First you have to be taught how to lay it ,which i`ll cover in a little bit. Also you have to do a thumbprint(eat it) there are no exeptions to this rule.The reason is to make sure your Karma is clean enough to handle this sacred work.

TYPES OF CRYSTAL
Needlepoint-very pure(95%) white powerdery crystal,was available in small amount`s. The best of the best :grin:
White Fluff-Very pure(95%) white light flakes of crystal. Still around and the most sought after. very pure
Silver-Good and clean(85-90%)-light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver.
Amber-Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead since it was better and the same price.
Lavender-(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like amber it varied batch to batch.
TJ(tornado juice) - purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it.
Champagne-(50-60%) black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it once and swore to never touch it again.

OK so you got some crystal and need to get it on blotter. It`s a pretty amazing feeling holding a jar in your hands that has 10 grams of crystal in it. That`s 100,000 doses in the palm of your hand. For dealing with laying we`ll say we got 1 gram. Acid is always layed 1 gram=10 tenpacks. A tenpack is tensheets. 1gram=10,000doses. If your laying needlpoint your doses will be 95mcg, because your crystal is 95% pure. If your laying amber your shit will be 70mcg, because it`s 70% pure. got it :smile:
Now you get a glass pyrex pan to dip your tenpacks in. Your crystal is dissovled into 110ml. of everclear per gram.The purer crystals dissolve instantly with a little stirring. The not so pure take a little shaking. Champange is damn near impossible to get to dissolve evenly.
Paper-for white blotter standard watercolor paper#14 or equivalent is used. It`s critical you get the right paper. If you don`t it won`t absorb right and you`ll fuck it all up.Print`s are made up ahead of time and perferated
OK so you got your crystal dissolved and your paper cut and ready. There are 2 schools when it comes to putting it on the paper. First dump the solution in the pan and dip each tenpack into it then lift it up and let any excess solution run off into the pan. Second method is to put the tenpack into the pan and squirt the solution on it with a baby syringe(the ones they give little kids medicine with). I Have done both and prefer dipping them just because its quicker .Then the tenpacks are layed out to dry which doesn`t take long since alcohol evaporates quickly.
If you did it right there will be very little residue left in the bottom of the pan.This redidue is extremly potent and is eather soaked up with a piece of paper(called mop up) or made into potent liquid(called wash). Whatever you choose this is saved for your personal use :wink:
While your doing all this you get very,very high. As soon as you open the jar of crystal it intoxicates the air. Most people were rubber gloves when doing this some don`t. Just don`t have any plans afterwards. :tongue:
There might be slightly different methods used when laying, but this is how the dead family does it. :grin:
After the tenpacks are dryed there distibuted and eaten up.
Since the end of the Grateful Dead the massive distribution network that used to get rid of so much acid has been broken up badly.
Never fear Acid is still out there :smile:

One last note as I stated at the begining of this post I am no longer involved with this buisness. I don`t use or sell LSD anymore. I havn`t for years.
I realise many of you really want some acid ,but i can`t help you so please be so kind as not to P.M. me for a hookup.
If you have questions regarding any of this i will be more than happy to try to answer them if i can.
God bless you all :wink:  :heart:




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Acid=LSD-25

There are several synthesis for the production of LSD-25 not just one.
See papavars thread LSD Manufacture for some of them.
LSD-25 is acid ,there arn't different chemicals that can be acid.
It's either LSD or it isn't. There are different kinds of crystal of different purity's, but they are all LSD-25, just some are more pure than others. See my thread called LSD Crystal to blotter. I give 7 different kinds there.
There are analouges of LSD-25 but there not acid.
Sorry if this is confusing  ,but people need to understand that LSD is a chemical and it's the purity that changes from batch to batch not the chemical structure of LSD. 




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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #15854053 - 02/23/12 06:32 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

LSD is LSD.  It's all the same chemical causing the same reactions.  Your dose, set and setting probably cause the different effects felt throughout the trip.  We all know LSD is a powerful drug that does amazing things, it can definitely feel different each time in my opinion.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Phenom]
    #15854434 - 02/23/12 07:36 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

ahhh, Family Crystal....good times

They don't rock that shit on Furthur tour! LOL!
100 mic drops from a wook!?...please... you can keep your fuckin sweettart!

I think the fam got pushed out by MDMA as much as the downward spiral of the scene.  At least thats how it seems in the north.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Icculus]
    #15854773 - 02/23/12 08:36 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

It's still around. I hear ya  on the molly though, that 's all I hear at shows anymore.


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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Absolem0918]
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Re: what are the different kinds of "acid"? [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #15855208 - 02/23/12 09:55 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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What I'm more curious about is "clean acid". This one has always struck me as interesting. Things that are obviously LSD can feel "cleaner" than other "less clean" blotters. Maybe it's entirely psychological? I heard someone suggest it's because of extra iso-LSD ratio, thoughts?



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i figure its the ug dose amount that makes the different feels.
but i also think experienced trippers could possibly tell the difference between different parts of the trip.
lsd is lsd. it should feel pretty clean





There's a pretty big difference between lavender and fluff trips, imo.  It's all a purity deal.  You're still getting LSD but the impurities play a role if your chemist was lazy, didn't have the means to purify or preferred a lower grade of acid. 

There's still plenty of family L floating around, you just have to know where to look :wink:


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