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How's this grow looking?
    #15851013 - 02/23/12 05:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hello guys, and grateful vibes for all the amazing info everyone contributes here.

Thought I would show some pics of a grow, just to get some opinions on how things are going. Cakes have been in a FC for 2-3 days now, and look happy so far.

There are a looooot of little bumps starting to pop out of the surface, and just wanted to know if all of these little things are future pins? If so may be a jackpot because they are so plentiful!


So as you can see this cake is brimming with little knobby things in clusters:



Here we have another cake, but I circled my favorite part. It's a beautiful little fan of 'fingers' popping out from under an outcrop. Are these also future babies?:



Also I have one concern, all 3 of the cakes seem to be developing a much thicker fluffy layer of myc on one half, instead of pinning. This is the side that receives more misting and/or possibly more light.

Just wondering if this is something that needs tweaking, or is it not a big concern? Can't decide which side is progressing 'properly'. The fluffy side, or the pin-y side....

Thanks guys!

ps: Come to think of it, the mycelium did have different consistencies between inoculation sites while colonizing, so there's definitely a grab-bag of genetics going on. Maybe that explains the half-half looking cakes? Although it's a hell of a coincidence that all the fluffiness is facing the same side on all 3 cakes...

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15851055 - 02/23/12 05:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In the second picture thats just ariel mycelium, it branches out like that to collect moisture.

I can't see any noticeable primordia formations but you should see them soon. They look like little tiny specks of white...once you see them a few times you'll know when the mycelium is knotting :smile:

Looks fine to me, no green. :thumbup:


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: HybridprX]
    #15851067 - 02/23/12 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are the cakes sitting right on your perlite?


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: Mike Reynolds]
    #15851084 - 02/23/12 06:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not enough fresh air, those "fingers" are not hyphal knots but aerial mycelium.  Hyphal knots will look like tiny pearls.

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: horus_92]
    #15851098 - 02/23/12 06:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, thanks for the input.

Yes it is right on the perlite, a lot of reading on perlite vs foil etc, revealed that it's basically the same. Chose the perlite to avoid water pooling that was happening under the cakes with foil. Seems better that they leech off the perlite vs sitting in a puddle, is that correct?

Not enough fresh air huh? Ok adjustments will be made to the FC.

As for the aerial mycelium, I read elsewhere on this forum that aerials ARE hyphal knots?

Thanks guys. Hopefully everything will come out well.

Any thoughts on the one-sided fluffyness? Could that be a sign of too much misting on that side/ not enough on the other?

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15851453 - 02/23/12 08:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You want to leave your cakes on foil.  I see polyfill in those pictures, but no other holes drilled, so it doesn't look like you have a shotgun fruiting chamber.  In order for the perlite to work as intended, you need a chamber with 1/4" holes drilled every 2" apart on all sides, including top and bottom.  No, the perlite won't fall out.  As the water evaporates up into and out of the chamber, it pulls air up from underneath, so drill on all six sides and make sure there are jars or lids, or something under the chamber to allow air to flow up through the bottom.

The fuzziness you're seeing, as mentioned above, means you don't have enough fresh air exchange.  If your SGFC were made correctly you wouldn't need to fan as much.  Follow the teks to a t if you're going to follow them at all.  I'm not trying to criticize, just giving info based on my own research here and personal experience.

Seeing as how you're new to the site, I'm not going to rag on you too much though :wink: Your cakes aren't contaminated, so you're off to a pretty good start.  Just get that FC set up right, put those cakes on foil, and fan a little more.  Then you'll be set.


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: SpookyCupid]
    #15851710 - 02/23/12 09:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks spook,

Don't get me wrong, I'm a crazy deep researcher. Here's a run down on the chamber and the logic behind it.

The main issue is that the room it's in, is super dry, and not a good idea to humidify it. I'm talking dried up sinuses, food becoming a hard crust on a dirty plate within an hour kind of dry (great for drying, later). So that had to be considered. The shotgun was probably going to have severe issues holding up humidity. So a monotub design was decided on (also the poly also cuts down on contams, not sure how clean the air is). But of course, knowing that pearlite needs air flow from below to work properly, the bottom of this FC actually has properly drilled holes. And the humidity actually is right on the money so far, as well as temperature.

So think of it as a shotgun bottom, monotub walled hybrid. The logic was that it's easier to add holes later than patch up a shotgun.
Yes, it needs tweaking, but should be easy at this point to increase FAE by thinning the polyfill or worst case, remove it altogether or add holes.

All the above posts do seem to tell me what I was looking for, which is advice: There isn't enough FAE. That will be worked on at this point, will check back with progress!

Thanks

PS: you didn't explain the reason for placing it on foil, and the negative of putting it on pearlite directly. From all I've seen it seems to be pretty much a 50/50 split on that opinion.


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15856321 - 02/24/12 04:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well adjustments were made to the FC for FAE, and overnight the myc has gone a little more on the fluffy side rather than spikes. Looks kind of like a luscious carpet at this point. Tempting to the touch :P

Anyway, nothing worth pictures so far, but things are definitely evolving.

UPDATE: Actually just spotted humidity dropped to 85% from a solid 99 previously. This happened after putting in holes exactly as per shotgun instructions. So that proves the hunch that the room was going to sap humidity from that design. Taped up the 2 short sides now, continuing to tweak until at least 95 is maintained.

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15860620 - 02/25/12 04:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ladies and mushroom-men, I do believe we have a pin.



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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15860704 - 02/25/12 05:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well it's a tiddly little picture... but it could well be your first baby!

congrats!
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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: keeno]
    #15860705 - 02/25/12 05:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it looks like my cock, robust! :ahahaha:

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: hellokitty]
    #15860715 - 02/25/12 05:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks guys, Actually, a moment after posting, I found 3 very definite little mushies right near it, but also with a gross yellow stain nearby.



Took it to the contam forums for thoughts.

But in any case, cigars all around :3

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15860725 - 02/25/12 05:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

re: foil

I'm not exactly sure of the science behind it, but I've seen the top brains on here saying put it on foil 100%

but whatever works for you

you shouldn't really mist the cakes so that water pools, but i don't think that will do much damage in the long run. just make sure your fanning is top notch :smile:


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: keeno]
    #15860742 - 02/25/12 05:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes indeed the cakes also are now sitting on foil immediately after those pics, sadly the lowest of the 3 babies seems to have taken a perlite shot to the knee in the process.

The thing that decided the foil finally, was the need to turn the cakes without touching them. Unfortunately they had to be touched to put them on the foil, hopefully no serious damage done.

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15860992 - 02/25/12 08:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

your cakes look weird for some reason, you got mushies though! :omgawesome:


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: cubensistudent]
    #15860993 - 02/25/12 08:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Perlite has an off ph and will negatively affect the performance of your cake if it come in contact with it...this is what I have learned from my research on this site

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: Durban.Poison]
    #15864972 - 02/26/12 04:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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your cakes look weird for some reason, you got mushies though!



Yeah I agree the cakes don't look like most pics I've seen. I figure it's either because they were rolled in coarse verm which wasn't able to cover the surface well. Or it could just be some crazy super strong strain with beefy mycelium. Certainly the myc looks more like marshmallow frosting than cotton balls. It is very thick solid myceluim, which hopefully isn't going to choke out any possible growth... But as you said, there's some growth so probly is normal.

An interesting note: After a small accident in which the light fixture fell on a cake, it was immediately aparent that the cake bruised not the light blue i've seen in pics, but actually so dark a blue that it's almost black!!

This may just be an insanely strong strain here... (The spores were purchased as Cube. Amazonis). Time will tell :smile: Fingers crossed for a good healthy flush.

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: horus_92]
    #15864980 - 02/26/12 04:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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horus_92 said:
Not enough fresh air, those "fingers" are not hyphal knots but aerial mycelium.  Hyphal knots will look like tiny pearls.




Its funny; it happened to just one of my cakes:P Dont set your cakes directly on the perlite
use some foil or something. Plastic lids work great and are easy to clean. :smile:

Good luck!

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Yes indeed the cakes also are now sitting on foil immediately after those pics, sadly the lowest of the 3 babies seems to have taken a perlite shot to the knee in the process.

The thing that decided the foil finally, was the need to turn the cakes without touching them. Unfortunately they had to be touched to put them on the foil, hopefully no serious damage done.




Let those cakes dry out, they are too wet. Leave the lid slightly open on your FC and get a stronger light, this will help evaporation. Usually this scenario happens when too much noisture stays behind on the cakes and they cant "breathe" right. Get a 30 W light or so, I use a Leuci Energy Saver Staff bulb in the daylight spectrum. Works great!

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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15864989 - 02/26/12 04:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

re: foil


put them on foil.


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Re: How's this grow looking? [Re: k00laid]
    #15865047 - 02/26/12 05:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Let those cakes dry out, they are too wet. Leave the lid slightly open on your FC and get a stronger light, this will help evaporation. Usually this scenario happens when too much noisture stays behind on the cakes and they cant "breathe" right. Get a 30 W light or so, I use a Leuci Energy Saver Staff bulb in the daylight spectrum. Works great!




Thanks, Here's the issue man. The light is indeed now inside the FC since yesterday, both for a small boost to heat, increase light, and help evap.

But the issue is the RH is getting really low with all the tweaks to FAE and lighting strength. The RH is now reading below 80, but the cakes still harbor small droplets etc.

It's becoming quite an annoying situation, not knowing what's more important, visual appearance or trusting the RH meter. Not to mention on this site there is extremely inconsistent information on where RH need to be. And then you have RR that's telling people not to even look at a meter, yet fails to specify that his 'perfect' tek is based on a room that is not bone dry. Meanwhile people say "RR says keep it as close to 99% RH as possible".... It's seriously time for an official new guide to set everything straight.

So while FAE is being increased, the RH getting worryingly low seems counter intuitive... Not sure what to do anymore.

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