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RogerRabbit
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: GroboClone]
#15836805 - 02/20/12 09:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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GroboClone said: If you have a dedicated circuit for the blower you can switch out the 15A single pole breaker for a 230V 2-pole breaker. You can then use the existing wiring to supply 230V to the blower.
This is incorrect. A 120 volt circuit has one fewer wires than you need for a 240 volt circuit. For 240 volts, you need two power wires and a ground. 120 volts in the US/Canada has one 'hot' wire(black) a neutral(white) and a ground. People should not be messing with a circuit panel without proper training. Even changing out a breaker can be deadly if one screws it up. The bus bar behind the breakers is always hot unless you shut off the main. RR
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15837273 - 02/20/12 12:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, for a split duplex receptacle you would need the neutral wire to get 120v, for purely 240v you wouldn't. To the OP I'll also add: don't work on anything live, if you don't have experience working with electricity find someone who does to do the work.
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: GroboClone]
#15837360 - 02/20/12 12:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh me oh my. Why did I have to overlook the voltage on this stupid thing!!
Alright, the thing for me is that I live in an apartment complex, so doing any type of rewiring could cost me a headache or two on down the road if anyone figured out I rewired it. PLus no credible electrician would do it for me because of this circumstance. IS there not some kind of transformer, converter, or otherwise miracle machine I could purchase that would work?? I'm willing to dish out up to $80 on one if necessary, because selling this blower and buying a new one would take forever and cost nearly the same as fixing the one I have.
Heres a picture of the wiring on this thing... can anyone tell me if changing the wires would do any good??
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Have a deep look at the manual and see if there is anything about converting the motor to run on 110V. I would also check online or e-mail Dayton for any additional information they can provide.
I will be emailing them very soon if I can't figure out another way to do it.
ALSO, here is why I cannot do anything with the circuits...
Edited by mikesethnobotany (02/20/12 12:25 PM)
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15837482 - 02/20/12 12:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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According to the spec sheet this blower is 230V only.
Have a look at these step up transformers, Goldsource
The blower uses 225 Watts, I'd say get at least the 500 Watt model
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: GroboClone]
#15837504 - 02/20/12 12:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats def in my price range! Will it sacrifice any efficiency from the blower you think?
You have been more than generous with your help grobo, thank you so much!! +5 mushies
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15837646 - 02/20/12 01:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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In Australia we natively run 240v so i don't know much about step up transformers, but i do know that step down transformers tend to fail. An american friend brought out a Kitchen Aid mixer and has burned through a couple of transformers. The load, not the voltage, causes the transformer to cook. So do a little more research into it.
And RR is right about not doing the panel work unless you know what you are doing. My house was wired with a hot bus bar...highly dangerous and actually highly illegal in this country. My old man looked at it and said *french! It's so dangerous that you'd die and wouldn't even know why". So the hot side of the circuit breaker 'should' also be wired using insulated copper, not a bus bar.
We had to not just kill the main switch, but pull the main panel fuse (which the utility should do, breaking the tamper evident tag. Worth it to be alive. Maybe not so good in an apartment :p
Why can't you contact the seller to see if they have 110v one? Or did i miss the reasoning in a post??
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15838618 - 02/20/12 05:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey Mike,
here's a simple G search that may help, simple convert 220v motor to 110v
Don't play with electricity unless your sure you know what your doing!
ZOM
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: ZOMan]
#15839084 - 02/20/12 06:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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MIKE i see the picture of ur circuit box.. i see a couple breaker tabs that aren't knocked out.. can't u just get the right breaker and run a 10 2 outta the box and put a plug on the wall?? the picture u have of the wire on the blower that is white doesn't look like what i would exspect for a 230. maybe its just the pic
southern
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15839115 - 02/20/12 06:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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mikesethnobotany said:
There's at least six extra slots for breakers. That means you could wire up three 240 V motors if you wanted to.
A transformer to step up the voltage would have to be so large to carry the load that it would cost more than the motor. In addition, it would be considered a 'separately derived system' and would require a ground rod driven into the ground to be legal/safe. Don't keep trying to fix buying the wrong motor by doing more stuff wrong.
Return the motor for credit. If you bought it on ebay with paypal, you supposedly have that right. If not, you got screwed, so be more careful next time. RR
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15839188 - 02/20/12 06:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: A transformer to step up the voltage would have to be so large to carry the load that it would cost more than the motor.
Do you say this because the motor is an inductive load? The transformers I linked to are rated from 100W-3000W, but since they don't specify I assume the rating is for resistive loads.
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15839190 - 02/20/12 06:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a 220 breaker go bad. I almost ordered a new washing machine before I realized it was the breaker. I was sweating bullets working with the big wires in my electrical box.
Any way to return it? I live near a Grainger warehouse where I bought a Dayton. If you live anywhere near one, they might swap it for a 120.
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: Mike Reynolds]
#15839902 - 02/20/12 09:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want my advice... Odds are one of the current 240's run to your dryer maybe? Stove? Why dont you run a cord from there? or work close to one?
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: total]
#15840966 - 02/21/12 01:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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WEll I guess if there is no other option, I can always do my stuff on top of the dryer. The only problem would be the amount of dust in that room. But hey, that would beat not being able to use it period I guess. Thanks for the help guys.
-Mike
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15841729 - 02/21/12 08:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get 100 feet of cord and a 50 amp plug to plug into your dryer outlet. However, you still need to fuse it down to 15 amps or so to protect the cord and blower. At any rate, you'll need an electrician to do it for you, and all that will cost more than getting the correct blower. RR
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15841954 - 02/21/12 10:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have someone who would be willing to hook some stuff up for free, whenever he could find the time. Now, if you don't mind me critiquing your suggestion RR, what is the point of getting a 50 amp plug when my blower only pulls <1amp when it runs? And it makes no sense to me as to why you say scale it down to 15 amp for the plug AND purchase a 50 amp plug... why not just make the cord 20-30 amp ?
Dryer Extension Cord
So this is the type of cord I would need... half of it is just plain wires it looks like... could I permanently rig this to my blower with some other wires and be in business?
Edited by mikesethnobotany (02/21/12 10:19 AM)
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15842070 - 02/21/12 10:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mike,
Have you exhausted all of your options here? I am referring to returning the product. The suggestion above that you might be able to trade it in for a discount on what you really need is also intriguing.
I just think that you will do better with the fan that you really need instead of jury-rigging something less fitting.
In any case, good luck.
JD
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: Javadog]
#15842473 - 02/21/12 12:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just think that you will do better with the fan that you really need instead of jury-rigging something less fitting.
Agreed! This thread has gone on long enough.
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Now, if you don't mind me critiquing your suggestion RR, what is the point of getting a 50 amp plug when my blower only pulls <1amp when it runs? And it makes no sense to me as to why you say scale it down to 15 amp for the plug AND purchase a 50 amp plug... why not just make the cord 20-30 amp ?
Because electric dryer outlets are tied to a 50 amp breaker and typically use a 230V/50A receptacle. You'll need a 50 amp plug to use that outlet, and then a fuse box to reduce to 15 amps so you can use a cheaper #14 cord to supply the blower. However, that's going to all cost as much as getting the right blower, which is what you should do. RR
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: RogerRabbit]
#15844832 - 02/21/12 09:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just close it already....
Edited by mikesethnobotany (02/21/12 10:31 PM)
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15845318 - 02/21/12 10:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry bro!
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Re: HUGE mistake purchasing a blower for flowhood [Re: mikesethnobotany]
#15846636 - 02/21/12 10:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just close it already....
Agreed. RR
This thread has been closed.
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