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1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF*
    #15830523 - 02/19/12 01:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hello, Just decided to make my 1st post after many months of lurking on here and reading your peoples grow logs and so forth.

Well I decided to start out with the BRF tek and bought some mystery strain syringe from a local head-shop(I did order some off sporeworks as well seeing as it was a Shroomery recommended)

I had no means of a pressure cooker because I'm missing the top for mine so I used the boil method for sterilization was about 90 minutes.

I had 3 pretty big jars so my recipe for each jar was:

1 cup Brown rice flour
2 cups vermiculite
1 cup water
(with dry verm layer ontop)

Normally that's enough for 5 half pint jars.



I inoculated them each with 3cc's in front of the oven and put them in a drawer at room temp so between 68-75ish

On day 4 I started to recognize some colonization on two of the jars.





I have prepared a tub for fruiting with a hygrometer.
Wondering if you have any personal tips or recommendations,
Thanks for your help :smile:

1 Month later....

Here are my replacements, I've got one jar at about 90 percent colonization and 9 others close by.






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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15830933 - 02/19/12 06:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

do those jars have a lip at the top?  as in does it get smaller when it gets to the lid?

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15830947 - 02/19/12 07:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Charly_manson said:
Hello, Just decided to make my 1st post after many months of lurking on here and reading your peoples grow logs and so forth.

Well I decided to start out with the BRF tek and bought some mystery strain syringe from a local head-shop(I did order some off sporeworks as well seeing as it was a Shroomery recommended)

I had no means of a pressure cooker because I'm missing the top for mine so I used the boil method for sterilization was about 90 minutes.

I had 3 pretty big jars so my recipe for each jar was:

1 cup Brown rice flour
2 cups vermiculite
1 cup water
(with dry verm layer ontop)

Normally that's enough for 5 half pint jars.



I inoculated them each with 3cc's in front of the oven and put them in a drawer at room temp so between 68-75ish

On day 4 I started to recognize some colonization on two of the jars.





I have prepared a tub for fruiting with a hygrometer.
Wondering if you have any personal tips or recommendations,
Thanks for your help :smile:





I am not sure about that mycelium, it doesnt look allright.

Your substrate is too wet I think and badly mixed. It looks sloshy and
sticky. Next time take care to grind the BRF better and make sure you use a finer grade of verm.

Here are some pictures of what you can look for in terms of substrate:)








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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15831106 - 02/19/12 08:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they might be too big and stall out, but again they might colonize just fine


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Swwert]
    #15831178 - 02/19/12 08:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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they might be too big and stall out, but again they might colonize just fine




Sticky and sloshy substrate is caused by improper preparation and during steaming the rice causes the cake to stick together, causing problems with the colonization.

I am still not sure about whats growing in those jars, I think the OP should consult a TC to get a better look:)

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15832590 - 02/19/12 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah... The jars are pretty moist inside it looks like and the verm wasn't very fine it was pretty course, and well there's water drops condensing it looks like, Sorry What do you mean TC?


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15832624 - 02/19/12 02:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15832725 - 02/19/12 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I spotted some greenish tinge, I'm scared it might be contam so I separated it from the others


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15833100 - 02/19/12 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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also just wondering why nothing over the holes ontop of the lids?

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: herfy]
    #15833187 - 02/19/12 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the first time i made sub for brf cakes, i used a very fine brf and i had moisture issues, but some of the jars in that batch went just fine, however my next method is going to be bulk, im not sure if you have healthy myc or not,  but are those tops covered where you innoced threw

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: herfy]
    #15833568 - 02/19/12 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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also just wondering why nothing over the holes ontop of the lids?



why would there be something covering the holes they need g.e. the dry verm layer is to protect at that point.
For the op when you steamed your jars did you put foil over your lid good and tight? could be a reason why its so wet inside and not looking right.

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: King of Pain]
    #15834856 - 02/19/12 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I actually did not have the holes covered when I was boiling them is that what the problem is?


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15835073 - 02/19/12 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

contam for sure...the culprit you shouldn't use cores verm for your dry verm layer it doesn't supply you with any filtering properties


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15835136 - 02/19/12 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The white line down the middle of this jar is trich. It appears white before sporulating, but not the same as healthy mycelium. It's more of an aggressive bright white. I don't know what the stuff to the left and right of the bright white line is, but it doesn't look good either.

This grow is totally fucked. Get your mix right, especially the moisture content. As the poster above me mentioned you'll need some fine grain verm to use as the filter.


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15835687 - 02/20/12 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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contam for sure...the culprit you shouldn't use cores verm for your dry verm layer it doesn't supply you with any filtering properties




Bullshit, ive used coarse verm many times without any issues.



On glass jars with lids I solve this issue by using micropore tape over the holes put since a whole army of script-thieves and noobz have derailed the discussion over the last year by claiming that people be better of not using micropore tape people still run into all sorts of trouble. 

Dry verm doesnt filter shit much like chicken wire doesnt catch flies, what it does is separating the moist energy filled midst of the cake from airborne contaminants. Trich cannot grow on anything that doesnt hold energy.


This is why people claim that moving a jar or shifting it will cause it to contaminate, because any dry verm moving around could easily move a trich spore right onto the BRF/Verm mix. Micropore tape solves this issue.

The solution to this simple problem is to put micropore tape over your holes, so that trich and other contaminations cannot even reach the dry verm barrier.

To the OP:

Your substrate mix is too wet and sloshy. Next time mix it better and grind your own BRF with a coffee grinder fresh. I do this every time and it ensures a grade A blend that isnt stale or dry. Fresh BRF is slighly fatty which helps disperse the water better.

Here is a picture of what youre looking for:




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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15836048 - 02/20/12 02:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the great advice, I'm very glad to have not inoculated 10 jars, and only did 3. Good learning start, I will prepare another few in the next few days after I get the mix right. Would I be able to just grind the course verm in a coffee grinder or would that be not a good idea?


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: San]
    #15836324 - 02/20/12 04:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've prepared a new jar does this substrate look about right



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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15836496 - 02/20/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Still to wet. I cant really tell right now because I am tripping my ballz off:P:):murray:

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15836604 - 02/20/12 07:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I spotted some greenish tinge, I'm scared it might be contam so I separated it from the others




contam.



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I've prepared a new jar does this substrate look about right






looks good enough.

give it a shot.


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: k00laid]
    #15836634 - 02/20/12 08:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a bit wet still but if theyre already pressure cooked go for it.

are you following instructions on adding water to the verm THEN the brown rice flour?


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15837957 - 02/20/12 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Still to wet. I cant really tell right now because I am tripping my ballz off:P:):murray:


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15839991 - 02/20/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fact= micro pore tape will solve the problem.
  also fact your better off insulating your attic with with coarse verm IMO it has no use in the BRF tech its just not proper.


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: cream777]
    #15840310 - 02/20/12 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

@Cream777 have you actually had success with leaving micropore tape over the holes on brf jars? Im in the middle of my first grow but starting more jars very soon. I made many mistakes this time so im going to correct all of those. Also real quick off topic. Can I sterilize needle with regular bic lighter?


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: rustyshackleford06]
    #15840381 - 02/20/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

@ rusty personally i don't use micropore tape i work clean and grow clean and use proper materials and technique,you'll always be victorious,also i dont see why not as long as it turns the needle red hot and do it between jars every time


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: rustyshackleford06]
    #15840389 - 02/20/12 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm, from your pics I really can't tell the actual color of your grow. Only you on your end can you tell. If any other color other than white slightly off white appears then your screwed. If your color stays good, then you'll be ok, I am only on my second grow but on my first one I had condensation on the inside of my jars and had no problem. I'll be posting pics tomorrow of my jars and we can compare.


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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: mage23]
    #15902062 - 03/05/12 01:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've started a new grow, working on my mistakes - This is 2 weeks in



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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15902233 - 03/05/12 03:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Man I am amazed at all the advice people give on this site when they see people's work in photos.  Other than the obvious "is this a contam" or "is that hole big enough" type questions, I have no idea how you guys can spot details like a jar being too wet or brf being too coarse, based on the pictures and their quality.

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15902234 - 03/05/12 03:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've started a new grow, working on my mistakes - This is 2 weeks in






Looks better:) Good luck.

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Man I am amazed at all the advice people give on this site when they see people's work in photos.  Other than the obvious "is this a contam" or "is that hole big enough" type questions, I have no idea how you guys can spot details like a jar being too wet or brf being too coarse, based on the pictures and their quality.




I am experienced because I have worked with different substrate blends etc, wetter and more dry and so on. Its not that hard to tell really, I work with photos very much so I have developed a keen eye for the thing. Pictures usually tell a lot, the way the mycelium grows etc, is it whitish, is it more clear etc.

Thats why pictures are important, clear and sharp:)

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15928081 - 03/10/12 01:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well...guess who my pictures are going to when I start my first grow next week :wink:

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: Charly_manson]
    #15928107 - 03/10/12 02:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've started a new grow, working on my mistakes - This is 2 weeks in





That is looking more like healthy Myc!! Remember take paper notes, not just in your head notes, i usually forget exact times, measurements, ect... so WRITE it down!!!learning from your past mistakes is often your best advice:thumbup: Good luck Charly

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    #15928846 - 03/10/12 09:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've started a new grow, working on my mistakes - This is 2 weeks in





That is looking more like healthy Myc!! Remember take paper notes, not just in your head notes, i usually forget exact times, measurements, ect... so WRITE it down!!!learning from your past mistakes is often your best advice:thumbup: Good luck Charly




Excellent observation sir. Thou shalt be remembered:)

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Re: 1st time Grow just started colonizing *pics* *BRF* [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15934824 - 03/11/12 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Upon further observation of your jar, it looks like there might be a little bit too much moisture/condensation towards the bottom of jar, Keep a close eye on this, if it doesnt colonize as fast as the rest of the jar, that may be suspect. Any new pics of colonization, post them to keep us updated:wink:

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    #15934871 - 03/11/12 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks! I am taking notes on what changes I've made.
This jar is 90ish percent colonized. Have 9 others doing
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    #15934902 - 03/11/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lookin Good:thumbup: Paitience can be your best friend at times like these!!

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    #15936958 - 03/12/12 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks it's going on day 22'so should be a week or so


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