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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15818470 - 02/16/12 12:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have not seen anyone address your side pinning question so I will attempt to.  Pinning is primarily started up by Fresh Air Exchange (FAE). Light has very little to do with where your substrate pins. One of the main purposes of lining a tub with black plastic (or even clear plastic for that matter) is that it will contract with the substrate and prevent air from getting down into the sides and initiate pinning. I read this from a RR post so I am fairly certain it is accurate.

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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15818570 - 02/16/12 12:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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TranscendingLife said:
I'd recommend making a SGFC & putting your cake into that.
That way you get RH up & provide proper FAE.
I doubt the RH is very high in that tub & you have no means of FAE in that tub.
Evaporating moisture from the surface of the substrate is the number one pinning trigger.




Just wanted to clear this up; I meant that he should construct an sgfc as soon as possible. Leaving the sub in dry air would be really bad so I thought of "a clear plastic box" more of as what should soon become an SGFC:) Sorry I never mentioned that.

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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: Seaser]
    #15818604 - 02/16/12 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Seaser said:
thank you kdmmontana !
I soaked it in the box for two hours because I didnt have something better at hand, then carefully flipped it on the side and placed it in an 18l container.
i cut out a 4x8cm hole and covered it with 5 layers of some dust cleaning fabric but thers already some space below the lid ( it doesnt close airtight)



the lighting isnt perfect but the thing is just too large and only fits the wardrobe diagonally xD

I will update with results hope it goes well and I didnt contaminate anything :>
thx for all the replys so far, especially for the usefully ones :wink:




The important thing is that there is a lot of moisture inside that box and that you can provide FAE, otherwise your sub will dry out. Also 18 L is too big for that small sub. If youre making an SGFC, use a smaller container.

As long as you can provide moisture and FAE there is no damage done, but you cant just leave the box, you have to air it out manually and mist etc. When you build a proper SGFC, you can leave it alone longer.

Otherwise its looking good:)

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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15827368 - 02/18/12 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

please define SGFC =
RH = room humidity?
FAE. = fresh air .. ?

and how do I go about misting? only thing I can find is "Do I mist with H2O2 and how much do I use?" doesnt help, is it simply spraying a tad of water onto the cake/shrooms? and what do I use ? is tap or distilled water better ?

[EDIT]
found some info at shroomery.org/8411/The-Magic-Mushrooms-Growers-Guide
but what water is best to be used ? and where to spray - btw the strain is cubensis

Edited by Seaser (02/18/12 11:50 AM)

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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: Seaser]
    #15827803 - 02/18/12 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

SGFC = Shot gun fruiting chamber. Becasue it looks like it was made with a shotgun.

RH - Relative Humidity. (The humidity level in your fruiting chamber.)

FAE - Fresh Air echange.

GE - Gas Exchange (drastically different from FAE.)

Tap water works fine for misting.. Just mist 3-4 sprays, in the SGFC and THEN fan for 10 seconds.

Water droplets on mushrooms DO NOT cause aborts, But water droplets on mushrooms WILL cause aborts if in a stail environment. This is why we Mist THEN fan.


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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: PureHash]
    #15898875 - 03/04/12 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thx for the info!
I harvested some mushrooms few days ago, then one was left and it grew incredibly large very quickly (15cm long, fat stem). I did not dunk it yet because I wanted to colonize substrate with parts of the cake.
Misting without proper ventilation does not seem so productive.

I couldn't find any rye (offline, lol) so I bought some natural brown rice. Then I read that you could virtually use any grain, is that true?

Well I soaked some rice for a few hours and then nuked it in the microwave and added few small parts of the colonized cake to it, I didnt completely close the lid but covered the glass again.
If I am lucky and if I managed to do it as sterile as necessary it could result in the rice being colonized right? :>

I need to find me a proper container to dunk the cake again, its not looking too happy xD
and i couldnt find vermiculite/perlite anywehre in stores guess ill have to order it. How about expanded clay / activated carbon as moisture reservoir ?

then ...  I was thinking about why does the C02 cause problems with closed containers when it doesnt with the pre-made growkits ? they are just as closed and the C02 cant escape when sinking down. Does the limited space cause more air exchange ?

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Re: urgent help needed! [Re: Seaser]
    #15898935 - 03/04/12 12:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

[edit] repost?? i reloaded like 10 times and didnt see it lol

Edited by Seaser (03/04/12 12:31 PM)

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