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    #1580293 - 05/27/03 12:42 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Hey!
I'm newly registered to this forum, but I've been lurking for a while and I must say this place is wicked!!!
I hope to add some knowledge in here someday soon...but first I must learn something myself. Sooo, I'd appreciate a lot if you guys would help me identifying these ones I picked the other week.

They were found in the Wellington (New Zealand) region, growing in grassy conditions with a lot of trees nearby, all kinds of trees actually! None of them bruised blue. The red cap used for sporeprint is about an inch across.
Tried to identify the grey one, and I think it's a Panaeolus of some kind. The red one I have no idea. And the orange ones to the right I don't suspect to be active.
Also, does Weiliis grow in New Zealand? I found some the other day that looked *very* similar to the ones just posted on this forum by GumbyDude.




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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1580351 - 05/27/03 12:59 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have time to take a stab at the ID right now, but no, weilii don't grow there... Only in Georgia :tongue:

However, there are quite a few active Psilocybes that grow in New Zealand that might resemble Ps. weilii. Psilocybe aucklandii is the first one that comes to mind. Psilocybe subaeruginosa is another possiblity in New Zealand, I think...

They're out there, and right now is the right season for you guys, so keep on looking :smile:

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1580715 - 05/27/03 04:17 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Hey dude....
Good to see you're hunting out and about...sorry to say none of those shroomies in your pic are active, but hey at least they're shrooms!
The red ones in the middle look like red stropharia...they are really common all around New Zealand, but the good news is that they have more or less the same habitat / fruiting conditions as subaeruginosa (from my own observations), so that shows you're looking in the right type of places :wink:
The ones on the right I'm not positive on but they could be sulphur tufts or something along those lines...they are definatley not active though...
The ones on the left, they are what are known as 'Little brown mushrooms' in the fungus jargon...in other words, there are 1000's of species that look similar to that and theyre pretty 'nitty gritty' to identift...I can say that they're not magic though...and I beleive that the panaleous is a warm weather fruiting mushroom.
In the wellington region your best bet is probably Ps. Subaeruginosa...look in wood chip areas that the council etc. has layed in parks and along highways etc, especially under pittosporum bushes.
If you can get to some sheep or cow pastures you could also try looking for some Ps. Semilanceata.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #1580836 - 05/27/03 07:11 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

actualy the first mushrooms (on the left) probably ARE active. but not mind-blowingly so. they're definately panaeolus.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1581028 - 05/27/03 09:45 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Those are drying panaeolus sphinctrinus and are not psychoactive.
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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1581041 - 05/27/03 09:49 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Panaeolus sphinctrinus i agree

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1581350 - 05/27/03 11:54 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I love the red "stropharia". I'd be willing to trade a print for it if interested.


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Workman]
    #1581970 - 05/27/03 03:53 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, I'll try again this weekend. Now I kno what to avoid!
I've got a few hints on areas from people around. The hunt is on..
Some people are talking about 'gold tops', Anyone know exactly what kind of shroom that is?

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1581975 - 05/27/03 03:56 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Good top usually refers to P. cubensis and was a popular term amongs certain biker groups who use to frequent the Gold Coast in the late 1960s and shroom and surf.

However, I take it you are from New Zealand and Psilocybe cubensis does not occur there naturally.

Here is a list of the known species of magic shrooms in NZ




Auckland
Psilocybe aucklandii Guzm?n, King & Bandala.
Psilocybe semilanceata (Fr.:Secr.) P. Kumm.
Copelandia cyanescens (Bk. & Br.) Singer.


North Island
Psilocybe aucklandii Guzm?n, King & Bandala
Psilocybe australiana Guzm?n & Watling.
Psilocybe eucalypta Guzm?n & Watling
Psilocybe subaeruginosa Cleland.
Psilocybe tasmaniana Guzm?n & Watling.


South Island
Psilocybe makarorae Johnston & Buchanan.
Psilocybe semilanceata (Fr.:Secr) P. Kumm.
Psilocybe subaeruginosa Cleland.


mj

However, some refer to the blue meanie mushroom (Copelandia cyanescens) as Gold caps and sometimes as Gold Tops. Terms used int he SOUTH East USA to describe P. cubensis.

mj

see my book Magic Mushrooms of austrlia and New Zealand posted at http://www.erowid.org

and have a shroomy day

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1582062 - 05/27/03 04:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, you wrote that guide, awesome! It's been a bit of a bible to me :smile:
Cheers!

 

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Workman]
    #1582113 - 05/27/03 04:38 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Workman,
I can send you a sporeprint for the red stropharia if I find it again. But for trades, I don't know about the idea of sending spores in to NZ. Firstly the customs are really picky with importing organic stuff. Secondly I don't know about the legality of that. Not too long ago a couple got prosecuted just for importing books about drugs into NZ... Well, some of the titles are pretty "offensive", but it's still just books!

http://www.tripzine.com/articles.asp?id=loompannz

Crazy...

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    #1582395 - 05/27/03 06:47 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #1583022 - 05/27/03 10:00 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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retroactivly banned some of the books he had owned for years




I've probably spent a good ten minutes trying to type something to describe how fucked up that is.

I guess some things really are too despicable for words.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #1583181 - 05/27/03 10:46 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, the book thing is just weird...I mean look at amazon.com, an American website, they can have basically any books that are published, yet here in NZ even books on growing cannabis can be made illegal.
Do any of you other kiwis know what the criteria is for a book to become illegal? And also is there a list anywhere of banned books?
I think this is an issue that really needs to be brought up in parliament. What is happening to free speech and access to information? I mean the book banning this isn't exactly widespread (for instance I have seen books on growing psychedelic shrooms, growing cannabis, various drug synthesis, in 2nd hand book shops recently), it is a law which, like the prohibition of cannabis, puts innocent, otherwise law abiding (well, not necesarrily, but hypothetically) people at risk of a criminal record.
Lets get things changed.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #1583351 - 05/27/03 11:46 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

It's certainly something we should write to our MPs about, or even sending an email to Nandor.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1584041 - 05/28/03 03:12 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

i disagree, pan sphinctrinus has a brittle, dark (often purple) stipe. also, these mushroom have different gills, id say they look more like psychoactives ive grown on my lawn


like these

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1584100 - 05/28/03 03:53 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

That guide is incorrect, as Ps.Tasmaniana has never been recorded from New Zealand (the specimen ass. by Guzman from NZ did not have forked cystidia), Ps.Australiana and Ps.Subaeruginosa are the same mushroom, and according to two texts, Ps.Semilanceata is only associated with climates of significant altitude in New Zealand
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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1584112 - 05/28/03 04:20 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Are those Stropharia - Stropharia/Hypholoma Auntanciata (sp?). You know, the mildly poisonous variety?


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1584201 - 05/28/03 06:36 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I believe those are Stropharia aurantiaca....they are really common all around NZ, usually on woodchips, and yeah they are definatley not edible...
As for Ps. Semilanceata, yeah they fruit more abundantly at higher altitudes, but in the lower south island they do occur quite a lot at heights of as low as 50m above sea level, within easy sight of the ocean.
And sheepish, I think some letters to MPs on the book thing is definatley in order...

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #1584297 - 05/28/03 07:49 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Blue Meanie, the P. semilanceata informationin my book and in my paper with Guaman came from Kaerl L. R. Jansen who was at the University of Auckland. He collected species represented in my paper in New Zealand.

He nbpow teaches medicine at Oxford University in England.

I also had published on this site the letter from NZ authorities to Jansen when they confiscated a copy of his High Times to which he Subscribed. They listed it as under the contraban act as illegal in NZ.

That was years before this person had his drug books.

Not sure if you are aware but I was denied a visa to visit New Zealand becasue of my internet book. I could be prosecuted if I go there for teaching people how to drug on shrooms because odf my book at erowid.org.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1584301 - 05/28/03 07:51 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

That's pretty shitty.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1584303 - 05/28/03 07:52 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Mitchnast, the stems of P. sphinctrinus are not purple they are a reddish brown. Even in your picture they are a reddish brown.

And again this species is not a psychoactive muishroom.

And you P sphinctrinus look like they are the bell-shaped campanulatus variation of P. sphinctrinus. THis is becasue of the campanulate capo shape of the shrooms in your image.


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1585086 - 05/28/03 01:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

but the mushrooms i posted are NOT pan sphinctrinus, nor do they resemble, they are all the bluing hallucinogenic mushrooms grown on bulk substrate in my front lawn that you yourself identified as "Panaeolus microsporus" about 2 years ago. i have picked many Panaeolus sphinctrinus and the stipes (unless under strange paramaters, ie from under something) grow very straight and brittle stipes, and are much darker than these here which look much less brittle and far lighter than any pan sphinctrinus ive ever seen. therefore, the mushrooms I posted are hallucinogenic, and i see no reason to beleive his mushrooms aren't untill i see some fresh specimines showing more specific traits.
because they look to me like evry other generic panaeolus (other than subbaltaetus) ive found.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1585232 - 05/28/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

MItchnast, you wrote the following in your post

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i disagree, pan sphinctrinus has a brittle, dark (often purple) stipe. also, these mushroom have different gills, id say they look more like psychoactives ive grown on my lawn




Then yuou showed the picture of this photo below witht he words under it saying like these.

Hereis your image and comment below th3e image:


Quote:

Like these




Now I looked at the image and thought I saw teeth. However Pan sphinctrinus has teeth and a reddish brown stem.

So do the shrooms in your picture.

If I before said that those particular ones were P. microsporus then that is probably what they are.

But I was only going by your comments and the image you posted whoich has no purple in it whatsoever.

If it does then you probably also need glasses.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1585591 - 05/28/03 04:11 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

isnt Panaeolus sphinctrinus nearly identical or is it (=Panaeolus papilionaceus)? according to California Fungi they are synonyms. I've found hundreds of P. papilionaceus on horse ranches and a few on cow manure here in central florida. for me, this is a beatiful picture of Pan. pap/shpinct

http://www.323800.com/mushroom/caf/species/Panaeolus_papilionaceus.html

the mushrooms in the first post dont match any of the descripitions/pictures or any of my personal experience with P. pap. i disagree that they are Panaeolus sphinctrinus if that is a synonym to P. pap, unless:

As said in Psil. Mushroom of the World, there has been considerable confusion between Panaeolus papilionaceus, Panaeolus sphinctrinus, Panaeolus campanulatus, and Panaeolus retirugis. It also mentions that Gernhardt noticed that P. pap often may have a cracked cap when aging. Therefore what grows down in florida may be a very close related specie.

macroscopically all or these spieces look the same, just variating in morphology because of habitat and location. However, perhaps there are microscopic characteristics that may set them apart. although in the above mentioned book, they are listed as synonomous species.

i conclude my uneducated rambling.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1585633 - 05/28/03 04:26 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I have mycological journals and articles on accidental ingestions of P. papilionaceus. Most photos and sketches in these journals resemble either Copelandia cyanescens and or Panaeolus subbalteatus. Three early mycological ID's in shroom Guides from the late 1890s to 1940ws describe the shroom as becoming flat in age. Something Panaeolus subbalteatus does bit never happens in P. papillionaceus.

Only four chemists have claimed to have found psilocine/psilocybine in P. papillionaceus yet hundreds of other analysis report it as negative. That leads one to believe that many collections are misdentified.

For instance in Paul's first book, he identifies P. strictipes as like P. baeocystis. Now he finds out twenty yeasrs later that it is actually Similar to P. semilanceata and looks nothing like P. baeocystis. There are other minor errors in Pauls book in regards to certain ids of species and in id of some.

For instance my mushroom Psilocybe samuiensis on page 140 reads as :

Psilocybe samuiensis Guzman, Allen and Merlin when in fact it is:

Psilocybe samuiensis Guzman Bandala and Allen.

Also to put in many non psychoactive species as the newly renamed Stropharia's such as Cyanea, Caerulea and aeruginosa is confusing to those who collect magic shrooms. There are other non-active shrooms in his guide.

I am not knocking Paul, he is my friend but I should publlish a paper ont he P. papilionaceus confusion.

It was I who found out that Schultes original collection of the3 Mexican shrooms also contained some specimens of P. mexicana although they were originally described as Panaelous sphinctrinus, leading many field guides to list the mushroom as a sacred Mexican species and also as one having halucnogenic properties. Something it does not.

Anyway. good points.

mj

P. returgis is similar to Pn. subbalteatus. So is P. olivaceus and then P. microsporus is similar to some of the P. sphinctrinus and to the Panaeolinas in drying.

The oinly real Panaeolus which is definitely psychoactive in all collections is Pn. subbalteatus.

P. africanus is but is rare in America although Stamets claimed to have found one specimens in Elephant Dung at the Seatle zoo, although that species is a troopical species and should not be present int he PNW, and if it was would only last for one fruiting or maybe to during the summer months, but another problem there is that the elephants at the Seattle zoo are all from here for many years.

Even I have misidentified species on the internet which were usually psychoactive species.

The Subbalteatus complex is intense.

many people pick and eat Panaeolina foenisecii and clainm they blue, or they turned purple, something they do not do or I got high smoking shrooms. etc.

I have shown people pictures of deadly poisonous shrooms and they have in turn told me they ate that kind before and had a good trip. Something I know to be impossible.

Have a shroomy day,

mj

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #1586412 - 05/28/03 08:25 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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That deal with the books is a real worry - a guy got done importing a book on speed synthesis, they went through his bookshelf and retroactivly banned some of the books he had owned for years including 'psilocybin mushrooms of the world' then prosecuted him for owning those aswell!
Police state alert!
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that's it....:shocked:
....I'm not complaining about Aust customs again...


I never realised you were being so persecuted over there :mad:



oh yeah those bloody red things - aurantiaca - are everywhere! 


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1586650 - 05/28/03 09:50 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

silly, mushrooms dont have teeth :smile:

i diddnt mean literally purple, i meant darker and cooler than just "reddish" more like mauve, like red with a purple tint.  case in point


when i said "like these" i was refering to the aformentioned mushrooms posted and how they were like the psychoactives ive found.  not using them to illustrate purple or anything like purple, actually i was tryng to show how they are anything but purple (which i now have corrected with an example of the color trend in the brittle stipes of panaeolus sphinctrinus i MEANT to describe)
see, not what id call reddish, more of a dull dark violet.
iv seen them red too, but its a dull violet red,
when i say purple. i mean purple when compaired to other pans, and certainly darker than the mushrooms in question originally posted here by the original poster

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1588184 - 05/29/03 07:55 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Heh....gotta love these huge in-depth arguments :wink: I'm sure starfungi is good and confused...don't worry dude, you just keep lookin for your subaeruginosa! They're by far the easiest to find and the safest to identify too...

Oh, and MJ...
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A strictly totaletarian government5 in NZ, polus 400 or more tremors a year HUh.



lets not turn this into the 'lets diss NZ with exaggerated comments post'...I REALLY don't want to have to start listing America's imperfections...hehehehe...I don't think the shroomery server would have enough space! Nah just kidding guys...may the shrooms be with you :wink:
Oh and by the way that was pretty shit how they didnt let you in...does that mean you can't come to NZ at all anymore? Not that you'd want to, I mean with our tremors and all...

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #1589206 - 05/29/03 03:08 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I like NZ when I wa there int he early 198os for ten days ro so. However, I am currenly persona non grata in NZ because I have writtena book which is lillegal in your country. Shit they woudl probably throw me in Gaol if I went there without a visa or even with one. That would be just like the fuzz. Give me a visa, let me think everything is cook and then when I land they grabn me going Hahaha!

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #1589357 - 05/29/03 03:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

heh...not too confused. It's all good! Thanks everyone!
I was so looking forward for a hunt this weekend, but I'm afraid it's all to dry... It's autumn, it should be raining, lots. It's been like 3 proper rainfalls since january from what I can recall. What's up with that?
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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1590931 - 05/29/03 08:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

NZ weather is pretty bizarre. Being dry shouldn't be a problem, as I've heard of people finding Subaeruginosa even though the conditions weren't very wet. It's meant to rain again this weekend though, so here's hoping.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Sheepish]
    #1592359 - 05/30/03 07:24 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Bad luck MJ - teh NZ authorities take mushrooms very seriously becuase they are so much more prevalent in terms of use over there. I spent a year over there with my ex-girlfriend when i was a wee-lad (very young) and was introduced to the wonders of Semilanceata in Nelson - if only it was so prolific in Victoria Australia...


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1608415 - 06/04/03 03:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Hm, I went for a subaeruginosa hunt in town parks, looking among woodchips. I saw a lot of Stropharia Aurantiaca (the middle mushroom in my photo) but no subaeruginosa whatsoever :frown: These stropharias had a more orange cap and closely resembled the subs at a first glance, but none were bruising blue...
I have looked quite a lot by now, and one day i *will* find them... but right now I'm friggin frustrated!!!   

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1609149 - 06/04/03 07:44 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

IF one learns to recognize the particular wood chips and bark mulch where their many Patches are then one wshould be able to find them anywherew by loking at the wood chips and/or muclch in any given location. Some llandscapers supply whole areas and even many homes witht he same products. LEarn the substrates of thehabitats and then you learn the secrets of where the shrooms are.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1609728 - 06/04/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe one could even get those very same wood chips and grow the subs in the back yard!!!  :laugh: Wouldn't even look suspicious!

 

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1609753 - 06/04/03 11:17 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You could get the chips but that does not mean the shrooms will appear in your batch of chips.

A lot of times the spores are int he stacks of chips at a logging mill and they pile the chips. later a landscapper comes and buys many tons of these chips. While the chips are at the logging mill the spores inthe woodchips end up producing mycelium which spreads throughout the pile and then the landscapper takles the chips and mulches homes or gardens or park and ride areas or new condos or office buildings and such and the shrooms grow froa few years and then disappear if the chips are not renewed or if they stop using the liquid fertilizers.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1612548 - 06/05/03 06:21 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

no, ofcourse. but if you find some subs you could let them spore in the chips?

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1614198 - 06/06/03 08:16 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah,
Or you could take a handful of colonised woodchips from the patch where you pick them, that would have a lot better chance at colonising your own woodchips than spores. But remember only take a little bit of mycelium so that you don't kill the entire patch.
A good thing to do is to take maybe a handfull of colonised chips, and add them to about a bucket of uncolonised woodchips. Then, when that bucket is colonised, you can use that to spawn more buckets or to spawn a big pile of woodchips.
Subaeruginosa likes pine, eucalyptus and I think most other 'blonde' wood chips too.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #1619164 - 06/08/03 08:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, just an update of the wellington subareuginosa deal...
I went for a 7 hour hike in town this weekend. Turning upside down and inside out on every woodchip in town. Walking though parks and through the bush, up and down countless hills. And mostly what I found was the red Stropharias, thousands of them! They are bleedin' everywhere! But not a single sub to be seen.
Someone wrote here that subs have been spotted in wellington, but I believe that they have been mistaken for the red stropharias, since some of them are rather orange and can easily be taken for subs at a quick glance.

So, unless someone proves me wrong (please do!), for the record - There are NO Ps. Subareuginosa in Wellington.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1619240 - 06/08/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

good fitness

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1619462 - 06/08/03 10:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

yeh, was my legs sore after that or what.... parts of my left foot actually went numb, still is but getting better!

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1619474 - 06/08/03 10:57 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Today I went for a quick look around a local park would had just recently had woodchip mulch spread around the area. Didn't find anything, except the 3 of the same shrooms you encountered - the reddy/orange mushrooms that look very much like Subs, but have red/orange around the bottom of the stem, and don't bruise blue. I nearly shat myself when I saw them, because I thought they were subs, but as I got closer and picked one, I saw that the stems had red/orange stains on it :frown:

You should perhaps try visiting some forests/bushes and seeing what you can find in there. It seems that the word is wood chip mulch has lots of subs, BUT the trouble is that the likelihood of getting there and finding some is slim because everyone appears to be looking for them. I'm going to head back into the forests myself and perhaps spend a whole day roaming the area. 

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1620027 - 06/09/03 03:54 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

no subs in Wellington? I think i saw some on another site, and Buchanan has some listed as being found there. Maybe someone got there first??


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1621617 - 06/09/03 05:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Reverend, are you absolutely sure about the woodchip in town thing? Don't mean to diss, but I have checked the chips in town/out of town/in gardens many many times, early as all fuck in the morning. And there are only Stropharias to be found. Maybe there are nutters running around at 4am picking them all out?
Again, no disrespect, I am really grateful for all the hints I've been getting! And I'll take your word for it. It's just that my shroomy faith is running a bit low at the mo, too many unsuccessful hours of hunting. Maybe I should see a therapist :smile: 

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1622386 - 06/09/03 09:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Another (as yet unsuccessful) Wellington hunter here. Just to confirm, the Subareuginosa in NZ do definately bruise blue? Thanks.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: ponky]
    #1622846 - 06/10/03 01:01 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Every sub I have seen (on pictures) from NZ or otherwise has some degree of blueing. Ranging from little to a lot.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #1627809 - 06/11/03 11:49 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

YAY! I went up to the forest today, and had a look around. Forest was mostly pine trees, but sandy soil (it's near a beach), so it was pretty pitiful and didn't find anything useful. Plenty of fly agargic though, and it's always nice to see those. So I went to the other one (where I went the previous time). Instead of venturing into the same area as last time, I tried a new area. Spent an hour looking around, to no avail. THEN I looked at a few which had some brusing. I wasn't sure if they were the right ones (went by myself this time). Picked them anyway, and put them in the bag. Found some more of the same type, and threw them in as well, and saw that there was a LOT of blue bruises on the ones in the bag. Definitely subs :smile: They looked similar to some others that I had been finding, but the other ones had yellowish gills and were very fragile. When you touched the caps, they would pretty much break into pieces. The ones I had picked had white stems, white gills, and had some serious bruises on the cap before I even picked them. By the time I had found 8 more around the same area, the shrooms in the bag were completely dark blue. Got a bit lost and came out onto a track, and decided perhaps I should call it a day and head up the track which I was sure lead to the road. On the way, I took a chance and veered back into the bush and not far in, I found some really nice looking subs :smile: Very decent sized, and nice thick stems. Ended up bagging 16 altogether :laugh: I found one that had a small bite out of it and was blue around where it had been nibbled. I'm guessing an animal either had a very interesting day, or freaked out and won't be eating those shrooms in the near future hehe. Not bad for my first solo hunt and to think I was about to go home.
Anyways, they're drying right now, and I'm looking forward to testing them this weekend.

For you kiwi hunters, try going into the forests. Find a forest that has pine trees and clay soil. Have a GOOD look around, because the weather lately has been very cold, and still a bit damp.
I still haven't had any luck around my area with woodchip mulch, but I've given up on that. Perhaps in the future, but for now, I enjoy the thrill of pushing through a forest and scoping out mushrooms :smile:   

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Sheepish]
    #1628229 - 06/12/03 06:32 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Those red/orange shrooms/fungi from what i have noticed and from what i've read grow near p. subs, so i would check back on the spots where you say them, after a big rain.

Also in aus the woodchips that i have collected p.subs from are from the 3 seperate park areas i can get them from are usually a grey colour when dry, and are quite big, if i had flicks i could show but i don't so...

I have been to spots early at night probably around 8 or so and found when blindely picking some from a continuious growing patch that the little fuckers eating them are snails, hope they enjoy them as much as i do. I'm just hoping to find a snail passed out beside one of them one morning only to find him gone in the afternoon or his eyes just fixed on the sky not moving or anything :smile:.

I feel sorry for you guys having to travel so far, i have it extremely easy i can walk to spots easly and quickly. And 16 you collected, i spose thats a start and it will get you fucked a couple of times but i can collect 50-100 each week from one spot and probably many more from the other spots i know of. I just collected 65 more than half of them with a cap diameter of 3-6 cm's the rest being about 1.5-3 cm which would be medium right? Drying at the moment.




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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1633703 - 06/14/03 06:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Jesus Christ. Insane. We ate the shrooms last night, 4 for my buddy, 12 for me. I weighed mine with a hand scale, and it barely came out to 2 dry grams, but shit, I pretty much hit a Level 4. After reading the dosage guide on erowid for subs, I find it kind of hard to believe the 12 is a medium dosage.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Sheepish]
    #1636980 - 06/16/03 08:25 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

i think that is pretty much accurate. personally, i dont like erowid's info on shrooms. it has too many other drugs mottled into the info if you know what i mean.

2 dry grams of subs should get you about a 3-4 lvl trip if 3-5 grams of subbs gets you a lvl 3 trip...

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1637066 - 06/16/03 09:43 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Too many people get Psilocyeb subaeruginosa confussed with Panaeolus subbalteatus by calling them subbs when two species of deiffernet genera are involoved.

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1646311 - 06/19/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

pleased to find a kiwi post on here! makes you feel that lil bit closer to home eh! i am in auckland at the moment and was wondering the best time of day to pick, i know of an excellent spot and was thinking of going around 5am but my mate wants to go at 3am, wont that be too early for the shroomies? i thought 5am was early enough!

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: mushysnz]
    #1647056 - 06/20/03 01:46 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I suppose anytime before the sun comes up is good enough. Unless there are other pickers around, then you'd better set up a camp next to your patch and guard it with some heavy weaponry. There seems to be sooo many mushroom hunters in this country it's not even funny.

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    #1647427 - 06/20/03 05:42 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

5am should be a good time. Anytime in the morning is a good time, before the sun gets out, and as long as there's some sunlight so you can see what you're doing.

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    #1647647 - 06/20/03 08:41 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

if your looking under native plants or pinus radiata - and not in woodchips around auckland, you MUST post pictures of what you find. Could be Aucklandii


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: zee_werp]
    #24347862 - 05/25/17 01:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hey buddy you wouldn't be able to ID these would you? I found them in South Auckland NZ in a small forest amoungst the tree bark. It was a cold frosty few days in a row and they have a blue tinge many thanks.


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    #24347875 - 05/25/17 01:58 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

You brought up a 14 year old thread to repost a mushroom you already put on the threads? You're joking right ?

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    #24347900 - 05/25/17 02:13 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I new to this site man don't be a dick

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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: starfungi]
    #27273453 - 03/28/21 05:26 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the info mate


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: Jiggyy]
    #27273490 - 03/28/21 05:53 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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thanks for the info mate




You're the second person to necropost this thread :laugh2:

Dude this is 3 years old AFTER it was 15 years old!!!


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Re: kiwi mushrooms [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27273809 - 03/28/21 10:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'm watching you Jiggyy...

On this forum it is bad etiquette to bump an old thread. We refer to this as "Gravedigging"...

The last post is 3 years and 9 months old.
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    #27273833 - 03/28/21 11:30 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Jiggyy said:
thanks for the info mate




You're the second person to necropost this thread :laugh2:

Dude this is 3 years old AFTER it was 15 years old!!!



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Jiggyy has broken rules and made a fool of himself on each post he has made.
Typical kiwi n00b with 0 posting etiquette who does not read the forum rules properly (albeit at all).

Jiggyy is a typical example of someone we DON'T need on this forum...


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    #27273962 - 03/29/21 05:28 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Typical kiwi n00b with 0 posting etiquette who does not read the forum rules properly (albeit at all).

Jiggyy is a typical example of someone we DON'T need on this forum...



:ilold: :laugh2:

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