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OfflinePDU
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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1580390 - 05/27/03 01:13 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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I like hiphop, it's the only truly angry music out there right now...





...Maybe your not aware of the thriving worldwide punk scene?...


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Murex]
    #1580402 - 05/27/03 01:17 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

that's because there aren't many good lyricists out there right now...
it's easier to "program" repetitive beats on a computer, anyone can make electronic music... althought I admit, I like some of it. for pure melody, I prefer jazz.

but for pure music, nothing compares to Classic Rock.
I'm listening to some right now.

O father of the four winds fill my sails, across the sea of years
With no provision but an open face, along the straits of fear


-Led Zeppelin




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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1580436 - 05/27/03 01:33 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I listen to Tool if I want lyrics. Good music too.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Murex]
    #1580456 - 05/27/03 01:38 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

"that's because there aren't many good lyricists out there right now..."

heresay.


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1580696 - 05/27/03 04:01 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

great post

i dont believe one genre 'holds the torch', any artist can do 'it' to you.

i tend to focus more on the dynamics rather than an outright message..
It's like my brain needs to be befriended by the music. You have to earn my brain's trust with your dynamics, then it will follow you.

Don't tell me what you think, show me what you can do.

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1580790 - 05/27/03 05:47 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

don't kid yourself... there are thousands of GREAT lyricists out there,
they just want no part of the bastardized, corperatized national scene, that's why you haven't heard of them... no exposure except for regional - if at all.
that's where the internet comes in, there's tons of independent stuff out there, you just have to put a little effort into finding it.

i think hip-hop is the latest incarnation of rituals we've been doing for fun "since time began" and that is coming together in celebration of life and playing percussive music with singing/vocal art.
i wonder how old the art of rap really is?

oh and mr. lif is the shit!!

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1580818 - 05/27/03 06:27 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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quote from infamous graffiti artist phase 2:

"I call myself a techno-symbolist. The term "graffiti is not what we called it. We called it art. It got tagged graffiti by magazines, newspapers, and politicians. It's not just about writing letters but about RIGHTING letters. I call it "Higherglyphics". Language in every essence is always subject to questioning."




Graff is the best artform out there, the western art world doesn't consider letters as art, however in asia and africa etc its a well respected artform. Or something like that.

Take a look at it when your stoned, it looks awsome, dont know about shrooms though, i would imagine it would good as well, especially with complex fills (design inside the letters, for all who dont know).

all melbourne, australia styleee
all from Escapism- Melbourne Graffiti

http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/130-05a.jpg
pure style- Giroe-Frame-Plea-Greater-chraracters and background by phibs

http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/101-21a.jpg
jayme-den-naste-reach-nosm

http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/039-18a.jpg
serval - paso - prowl - jaws - frost - rencs - zode

*edited to prevent screen overwidening




Also for the dopest rhymes out there look up J-live...farken awsome




Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (05/27/03 08:57 AM)

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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: beam]
    #1581579 - 05/27/03 01:28 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

"Graff is the best artform out there,"

yes it is, because it is completely free and pure. Most graff artists are living in poverty, and arent doing it to get rich (of course, a few choice peices definitly help with your portfolio). Graff artists are just living in the moment, putting all of their existence into that one painting, and not expecting anything in return for it.....well....maybe some pussy.

but, I dont think graff is restricted to just
lettering. It used to be, but nowadays nothing matters anymore, there arent any rules, i see tons of wicked graff that have no lettering



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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Sclorch]
    #1581626 - 05/27/03 01:42 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

What about eminem and 2 pac?


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1582191 - 05/27/03 05:16 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

???????

anyways, hiphop is the coolest shit nowadays, because it has no limits, musically, graphically, physically etc etc, pure expression.


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1582276 - 05/27/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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anyone can make electronic music... 




people always seem to get that attitude and only if it were true, god knows i've been trying for years. anyone can pick up a guitar and get sound out of it, but you really have to have something special to get something with soul to shine through... same holds true with making electronic music.

with that said...
great post, and that was a great lyric that you posted. it would be nice to see messages like that continue to spread on a wider scale.

Quote:

and start scribbling their thoughts all over the city.





/me grabs his fattest Pilot and hits the streets :wink:

 

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Smack31]
    #1582325 - 05/27/03 06:09 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

word up! i say, forget political revolution, if people want change then it should be mental, and it should be positive, and what is more positive and mental than art?


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1582664 - 05/27/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome post, atomik!

Yes indeed, if there's any type of social revolution going on right now hiphop is a major part of it. There's two ends of the spectrum though. On one hand you have commercial rap, which is all about money and image. And on the other hand you've got underground hiphop, keeping the ideals and roots of the (counter?)culture alive and kickin. Rock was lost long ago as any type of leading beacon of social evolution. Just as hiphop will eventually lose its way, it's inevitable.

As much as I love hiphop, I'm an even bigger electronic music fan. I think the culture surrounding EM is also for the most part very positive. Since it mostly has no lyrics it's kind of a "faceless" or egoless genre too. Most artists are in it for the music rather than image, moreso than other popular genres of music. And don't say it takes no talent to make, cause I too have been trying for years to make something sound remotely good but have yet to come out with anything decent.

Anyway, I would give this thread 5 shrooms if only I knew how...  :grin: :confused: :wink: 

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1582665 - 05/27/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

check out Dj Shadow

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Grav]
    #1584803 - 05/28/03 11:55 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

max headroom- yeah, I fear that hiphop will lose its way sometimes, but then again...i dont think it can

hiphop isnt like rock, its not just music or an attitude, its a culture, a way of life. And this "way of life" has no guidlines....except for maybe, freedom, expression and individuality manifested through art, music and dance.

musically, hiphop is plastic. for an example, check out dj shadow's new album "the private press", which is hiphop.....i guess, but it doesnt sound like any other hiphop.


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1585607 - 05/28/03 04:15 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

First of all, I have to say that there are misinterpretations of the two main discussed "types" of music in this thread.

Many people who are into hip hop, just like many people who are into rock, seem to develop a sense of competition between the two, or a notion that one is revolutionary and the other is useless.

Another thing, to call these music genres "hip hop" and "rock" is far too vague. It's not so black and white. There are artists who produce music which is far too diverse to be so simply classified as either rock or hip hop.

I am not a fan of this gangsta rap garbage, where these self-indulgent, ego and power-driven morons shove "bling bling" in your face and rap about how great they are and how much ass they're kicking and all the fun little things they can do with all their money and toys. I am not interested in this materialistic shit.

There are some hip hop artists however who carry very important messages, and they are often overlooked by fans of mainstream rock. But it works both ways... there are some fans of hip hop or rap, whether it be the good stuff or the bad stuff, who fail to recognize brilliant artists who lean closer to the "rock" or "alternative" genres.

The culture of good quality hip hop (like that of the artist you posted lyrics from), is no more revolutionary than the underground culture of good metal/rock/alternative music. And yes, there IS a culture of people who can separate the bad rock from the good.

To those of you who slander people like Kurt Cobain... it upsets me. Let me first say that suicide should never be an option, and it's unfortunate that Cobain didn't have the strength to cope with his problems. Of this aspect of Cobain, I myself am disappointed greatly, yet, I cannot ignore that as a poet, a musician and philosopher, he was absolutely brilliant in a way that is overlooked by so many people. Cobain had his share of things figured out... he was an evolved being, despite making some poor choices, but for these poor choices he is not to be condemned. He was only human, and the greatest geniuses can also be the greatest fuckups. Take a closer look at what he has to say, and read between the lines.

Believe me, I hate these modern-rock pansies who whine on with their fake emotional angst and bitterness. There are plenty of them out there today. They are not to be mistaken with artists who TRULY felt angst and frustration with society. Artists like Cobain expressed pure, real feelings of injustice and frustration with the ignorant masses and the confining rules of the system. Different people relate differently to these feelings, and in the kind of suburban wasteland that Cobain grew up in, many people such as myself are able to identify.

Not all white suburban families are filled with luxury and priviledge.

A quick note on hip hop, I'd like to hear about more artists who are into changing society and bettering the self, rather than giving in to a superficial lifestyle. If anyone has suggestions I'd love to hear them.


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Edited by Amnesiac (05/28/03 04:20 PM)

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1586103 - 05/28/03 06:25 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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A quick note on hip hop, I'd like to hear about more artists who are into changing society and bettering the self, rather than giving in to a superficial lifestyle. If anyone has suggestions I'd love to hear them.




Aceyalone
Zion I
Mr. Lif
Kool Keith (<-- less intentionally intillectual than those first 3, more totally insane.)
Dead Prez
Gang Starr

... there's so many along the lines of what you said.. i can't think of any more right now :wink:

Edited by Clean (05/28/03 06:26 PM)

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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Clean]
    #1586132 - 05/28/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

KRS-one, Mos def, Quasimoto, Nas, the roots are all amazing


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Notnecstoned]
    #1586148 - 05/28/03 06:42 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, I'll check those out


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Re: HipHop and social r/evolution [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1586271 - 05/28/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

RZA, GZA, Talib Kweli, Anti-Pop consortium, company flow, Del the funkee homosapien, anticon.


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