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Salvia D. Experience
    #1579263 - 05/26/03 06:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys. I've recently acquired a gram of 10x Salvia extract from SalviaWorld.com. I have researched the drug for many months now, and have had many successful mushroom experiences. A friend and I are planning on smoking it on a camping trip, probably around the fire at night. Its just us two, plus a sitter. We are all good friends.

I plan to smoke the extract from a pipe, mixed with a little cannabis. I figure .05 grams will be enough for each of us to start with, or is that too high, too low?
I feel prepared (as well as i can be) for the experience, but any advice you might have would be great. I'll update this post with a trip report after it goes down, which should be this friday. Peace.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1579354 - 05/26/03 07:14 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

nothin left to say but: enjoy :smile:

lemme know if it workds in the pipe tho cause i've had bad luck even in a bong with a torch lighter. 

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: fjbk47985]
    #1579383 - 05/26/03 07:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I have heard that with leaves its advisable to use a torch lighter, but with extract, especially the 10x, that a normal light would do as long as the flame was touching the extract during the entire hit. I'll let you know how it goes, we'll have both kinds of lighters and several smoking instruments available. peace.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1579638 - 05/26/03 08:56 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Still find out the best way first so you don't waste any hits. Torch lighters are the shit, but sometimes the buetain flows out to fast, and it'll blow stuff away. Watch it doesn't blow out of your bowl or your pipe. Lighting with a torch is different then a regular lighter, Hope you know the difference before you start sparking hits...


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1588515 - 05/29/03 11:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

10X doesn't say too much now, there is a lot of quality difference between different vendors. I hope you get lucky and have some good stuff.
Don't expect too much. I see a lot of first-users on these boards who don't get any effect. Have you read the smoking advice on sagewisdom.org?
http://www.sagewisdom.org/smokeadvice.html

I find sitters can be very, very annoying when I'm in Salvia space, so make sure your sitter keeps quiet during your trip unless you ask him to speak.

Have fun, be safe.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: cybrbeast]
    #1588647 - 05/29/03 12:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I ordered a half ounce of salvia once and all it did to me was give me a headache and make me sweat. It's too short to be worth it in my opinion.

Hope you enjoy, I've heard the extract is better.

Oh, and a little cannabis goes good with everything :laugh:

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: psilo9com]
    #1589141 - 05/29/03 02:45 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

cybrbeast, from reading on different boards, it does seem that the potency between vendors varies greatly. SalviaWorld.com was recommended to me by a couple people, and they seem like a legit operation, so hopefully I will recieve a quality product.

I've read pretty much everything I can find about Salvia on the net, and I've meditated on the decision to try it for a long time. I have a feeling that I will have a breakthrough experience my first time, mainly because my tolerance for other psychedelics is very low (I can have a VERY visual trip on 1 gram of Ecuadors). I suppose theres no way to be sure though, I'll just have to try it.

Thanks for the advice about the sitters, thats something I've been thinking about a lot. Our sitter is a good friend who I feel very comfortable with, but I've heard some negative stories being around others while on Salvia.

My friend is also planning on using Passion Flower to smoke the extract with (he can't smoke herb because of an impending drug test). As far as I know, there aren't any side effects of using Passion Flower with Salvia, is this true? Anyways, I'm rambling...thanks for the advice, I'll be sure and let you guys know how it goes. Peace.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1589300 - 05/29/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

careful not to fall in the camp fire!

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chodamunky]
    #1590037 - 05/29/03 05:50 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Ahhh, don't make me paranoid! ; )


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1590190 - 05/29/03 06:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

be careful not to DIVE into the camp-fire either..


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Strumpling]
    #1590518 - 05/29/03 07:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

best mixture is salvia and mushrooms. very visual
i have heard good things about salvia and acid as well

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ebola8p]
    #1596845 - 05/31/03 06:31 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

ive found that .1-.2g of 10x salvia blew me away...as well as all my friends. .5g i think would be too much. however maybe the stuff you have isnt as strong or whatever i dont know......i got mine from ethnobotanix.com in canada when it was still around.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Bob_J]
    #1596870 - 05/31/03 06:47 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah we're sticking with .05 grams for the 10x, I've heard that was a good starting dose.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1596883 - 05/31/03 06:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

.1 of 5x would probably take me out...

I use probably .06 - .07 and I'm off lol

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Strumpling]
    #1596898 - 05/31/03 07:03 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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be careful not to DIVE into the camp-fire either.. 




Be careful not to DRIVE into the camp-fire either...

:confused: :Receives WTF glares: :confused:

Nevermind...it's a long story.

Anyways, best of luck to you with the 10x extract. 


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Darkcloud]
    #1596919 - 05/31/03 07:36 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Darkcloud]
    #1597288 - 05/31/03 11:36 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

rofl :smile:


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Strumpling]
    #1605900 - 06/03/03 06:27 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia arrived today. I?m home alone for the night and I?m thinking about trying the stuff, but I?m not too sure about the lack of a sitter. Anyway, here it is:



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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1605928 - 06/03/03 06:35 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

.05 of a gram is such a small amount, is that really all that is needed?

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Trippy Hippy]
    #1606016 - 06/03/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, so I ended up loading a tiny bit of herb into a small pipe and put .04 grams of Salvia on top of it. I held a lighter to the bowl and completely cashed it out in one huge hit, held it in for 40 seconds. Immediately felt very, very stoned. It was definitely something a little different, but obviously not a threshold experience. I intend to smoke .06 a little later this evening.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1606039 - 06/03/03 07:16 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet looks like you got some good stuff. Be sure to write a trip report  :smile:

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ]
    #1606135 - 06/03/03 08:07 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I loaded a bowl of .06 grams of Salvia a little earlier and again held the lighter on the bowl and cashed it out in one hit, holding the smoke in for 40 seconds. This time, I felt the stoned feeling that I experienced earlier but it was much more intense. I felt like I could not move from my bed. There were no visual hallucinations, although there seemed to be something wierd, or "wrong" about my hand and forearm, like it was just really out of place or something. Very strange sensation.

I think I'm going to wait a few minutes before trying it again, do you think I should stay with the .06 or go for a higher dose this next time?


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1606151 - 06/03/03 08:14 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I would attempt a breakthrough now that your somewhat familiar with dose and how it effects you, maybe .08 or .09? Seems like you got pretty close. Maybe you ought to wait for a sitter though? Up to you, seems like its probably not necessary for you.

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ]
    #1606227 - 06/03/03 08:47 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Breakthrough.

Amazing. I loaded up .07 grams of Salvia extract and proceeded to hit it. I finished a lung full, held for 40 seconds, exhaled and hit the pipe again. Immediately I felt a warm rush and set the pipe down quickly, because I didnt want to drop it on me or get ashes in my bed in which I was laying.

Suddenly I felt a tremendous force pulling my upper body to the bed, my head in particular. It felt like my head was being bent backwards, but it wasn't really unpleasant. I opened my eyes, and looked up at my ceiling, which is angled over my bed and has a huge sioux indian blanket hung on it. The blanket was seperated into shards, about a centimeter wide each. It was like someone sliced up the blanket into long pieces and each piece was "different" somehow. It was definitely a visual, but it wasn't like anything I had expected. It was like I was actually looking at something that was real, I didnt really recognize it as a hallucination. That probably doesnt make sense, oh well.

I continued to feel like I was pressed into the bed by some gravity, and I know now what people are talking about when they speak of salvia-pull. My surroundings felt like they had all been cut up into shards that were arranged in a specific way, and even my body was part of this arrangment of slices of reality. I felt like I needed to hold my arms at a certain angle from my body so that they fit the pattern. This feeling faded after a moment, as did the "shards". I lay on my bed, feeling very exhausted, and still feeling pretty stoned. Eventually though, all effects completely subsided and I feel really good.

I got my first taste of a breakthrough Salvia experience, and it was definitely a positive one. The trip seemed very abstract and mysterious, and I do not clearly see if there is anything to be learned from the Salvia experience. I do know that the Salvia world is unlike anything I've ever experienced, and it is very compelling at times.

I'm going to meditate on the things I experienced for a day at least before trying the Salvia again. Next time I will probably try .09 grams.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1606602 - 06/03/03 11:14 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Cool, a very odd drug it is. Can't wait till I get mine. Thanks for the good read.

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ]
    #1607153 - 06/04/03 03:54 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

salvinorin A is the most potent psychoactive in the world thus far. I think that what the experience is trying to tell us is that there is infinite dimensions and infinite places of exsistence. Good and Bad places. i dont like the salvia induced out of body experiences because you have no control of where you go, you are just whipped in and out of different planes of exsistence, its just too powerful for me i guess, i will admit it. I think its too potent for any of us to understand. Some fuckin shaman might know whats up, but otherwise duh, our feeble minds dont know SHIT.

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ]
    #1607540 - 06/04/03 10:17 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

salvinorin A is the most potent psychoactive in the world thus far.  I think that what the experience is trying to tell us is that there is infinite dimensions and infinite places of exsistence.  Good and Bad places. i dont like the salvia induced out of body experiences because you have no control of where you go, you are just whipped in and out of different planes of exsistence, its just too powerful for me i guess, i will admit it.  I think its too potent for any of us to understand.  Some fuckin shaman might know whats up, but otherwise duh, our feeble minds dont know SHIT. 




salvia is the most potent NATURAL occuring psychoactive :smile:

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ]
    #1607906 - 06/04/03 12:40 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

"Some fuckin shaman might know whats up, but otherwise duh, our feeble minds dont know SHIT."

^^LOL.

Yeah, Salvia is crazy. With mushrooms, I experience some really insane, mind boggling stuff, but at least I can relate it to my sober reality in some way; I actually learn lessons and gain insights from my mushroom experiences. With Salvia, its just this utterly foreign world, where EVERYTHING is new and mysterious and seemingly abstract. Have any of you frequent users of Salvia found a use for the experience? Do you do it for its recreation/visuals/high, or have you found other entheogenic purposes for the plant?

I look foward to hearing about your experiences Journey, and I'll update this thread as I further experiment with the stuff. Peace.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: ]
    #1608098 - 06/04/03 01:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

salvinorin A is the most potent psychoactive in the world thus far.



What do you mean by potent? Cuz you need less LSD to get effects than salvinorin; and the trip of DMT is much more powerful than salvia...

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1608366 - 06/04/03 03:16 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I had a very simliar first salvia breakthrough as well.

My friend packed the whole bowl of his bong full of 12x and took a small hit. He basically just milked the bong for me. I held down the torch on the sally and took a huge hit, and held it in for as long as I could. I blew out a slew of smoke and thought "wow nothing's happening." My friends looked at me and said "wow you are going to trip so hard" and I tried to say "really?" but I couldn't, becasue I fell out of our dimension. I have a hard time remembering what happened during the first minutes I was gone, but I know i was in a sort of central area where all the dimensions correspond with eachother. everything was turning on its axis this way and that, like some chaotic set of squares and cubes breaking the laws of physics. my body was cleaved up and turned in cubes just like the ambient universes. My brain was reeling and trying to orient itsself. I knew my brain couldn't handle this dimensional train station, and entities berated me, made me feel weak. They told me the only way I'd be able to return to my simple world where the laws of physics work is if I could figure out how to reconstruct everything in my friends room. Instantly I was hurtled back into my body in the room, but it was like being inside a multi-dimentional arrray of rubix cubes. I had to sort it all out. I remember grabbing onto the window frame to ground myself, but then my hands would slip into another dimension and start to turn in a wheel, and the window would fall under the floor. This was when the trip started to get unpleasant. I remember my friend telling me i'd been about 6 minutes since I'd hit the bong and trying to reassure me. I was still incredibly disoriented and my mind couldn't figure out how to exist in physical space and hold stuff together, but I was slowly coming down and reconstructing the dimensions. The whole time I was tripping it was like I had work to do, had to fit blocks together, shut down rifts in the dimensional boundaries, and then i'd be ok.


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1611057 - 06/05/03 10:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I ordered 4g of 5x from Salviaworld.com and it blew, it was less powerful than the leaves. I got ripped off.

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: Mithril]
    #1611648 - 06/05/03 01:19 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

That's a good point actually Kotton.
Our feeble minds really cannot understand the Salvia plant and its mysticism.
It may all be in your mind, but it's opening parts up. Receptors to the spiritual 'plain' are stimulated.
Salvia should have stayed in the shamans pouch in my opinion... However, at the same time I an honoured to have experienced Salvia, so I'm contradicting myself a bit...


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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: chunder]
    #1614153 - 06/06/03 07:33 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

here is the account that I posted in the Ethnobotanical forum

What follows is an account of my experiences last night but first let me start with a few recources that I have found to be invaluable, the first is a book named The Psychedelic essence of Salvia Divinorum, it is by D. M. Turner

it has everything you need to know & more including multiple trip reports. (ISBN number: 0-9642636-2-9)
(incidentally another book by the same guy called the essential psychedelic guide, although now out of print, is available on the net  here it is definitely worth a look)
the second is a web page called  sage wisdom it is basically a brief users guide encompassing all of the main points that you need to know before experimenting with Salvia. also see  erowid's salvia vault for other info.

now on with the story.
Myself & one of my friends have been Interested in Salvia and the whole ethnobotanical scene for quite a while now, I have been growing Mushrooms &san pedro & he has set up a hydroponics system for MJ as well as tomatoes & other herbs etc...
we decided to get some salvia divinorum cuttings sent to us from Bouncing Bear Botanicals & we were especially pleased to learn that we would get a free gift of 1 gram of 5x salvia extract as well,  there was a mixup with the order & lots of messing around with customs & excize but eventually I got this extract & it sat in my draw waiting for an opportune time.
Last night I went over to my friends house with my specially purchased salvia pipe


after the obligitory spliff or two & a cup of tea we decided it was time to see what all the fuss was about, as I said we had a gram & at the time we didnt really know how much we should smoke so we split the gram into four & I loaded up my pipe.
Neither of us really knew what to expect, I wouldnt have been surprised at that time if we had smoked the lot & had no discernable effects. I had read so many reports of nothing happening.
I lit the pipe & breathed in as much as I could & held it for about 20 seconds as I breathed it out I remember thinking "oh nothings happened" & I said to my mate "its not very nice" (I dont really like bongs either, my friend said it was fine for him) at this point my mate went to get us a glass of water, as he left the room I took another lungfull (it was still burning) & held it.
As I breathed this second hit out I felt the room slide down to the left & my head drooped to my right, I felt a pins & needles sensation all down my left side including the left side of my face, it was as if there was a line seperating the two halfs of my body, my left side was floating free with no pressure on it at all, stretching away into the ether but my right side was still firmly ancored in the real world, I slumped to the side & in periferal vision I could see a landscape of infinate purple fracturals. I still had my eyes open & I had the sensation of being stretched out behind my body.
my mate had returned & quickly loaded up the bowl with a little less than a quater (I had mumbled that he probably didnt need all of the quater as I has seen that not all of mine had been used).
He took his hit, afterwards he told me that it had been like waking up from being passed out, he had no conception of who either of us were or where he was as he was piecing all the information back together I said "I think we had enough" & he eruppted into uncontrollable laughter (I was woried his kid was gonna wake up & we would get an earfull from his wife :smirk:)

we discussed our experiences over another joint & prepared ourselves for another journey, this time we loaded up an eighth of a gram each.

It was alot more intense the second time round, I sat back & closed my eyes suddenly people were talking in my head asking me who I was  & why I was there, the voices then seemed to merge into one female voice, but it was not the young attractive voice I had expected, more a motherly but at the same time scalding voice she questioned my entire concept of myself stripping all of my ego down to my bare self the vulnerable sensative core of my soul, she was questioning where I was & wether my mate liked me & if I should be there, I felt young.
Then she went on to say that this was it! that reality was a dream & that I should go with her, that I was crazy (& fuck did i feel it) all this time my body felt as if it was hanging from reality into an abyss of purple fracturals by the top left portion of my head, I still couldnt let go & eventually normality began to return. she was telling me I could go with her & that would be it, I could wander the universe,
when she realised I was still grasping at reality she became a little more annoyed & asked me again why I was there, I replied that I wanted to be her friend that I wanted to share myself with her, I was quite scared at this point, almost pleading & a litte taken aback, & very humbled, I was as innocent as a child all my protective barriers were gone, there was just me & her.
I was afraid that I would never come back to reality(WHY!!!). as I came out of it I tried to remember everything she had taught me so that I could recount it to my friend
I looked over at him just as he opened his eyes & I said "dude I have so much to tell you!" he laughed & said "yeah me too"

we had another spliff,  more dicussions & another cup of tea

& we prepare for the third & final trip of that evening, Unfortunately I dont rememer much about this trip. after inhaling I laid back & smiled thinking to myself it was ok & I would return to reality having learned a huge lesson but I still couldnt let go completely, once again my body stretched away but part of be still was clutching & although I was trying to let go I couldnt. I remember talking once again to the female voice (the goddess?) she told me that I haddn't had enough (previously I had taken two lungfull & this time I only took one) she said she couldnt take me because she couldnt get enough control.....or somthing like that

we finished there for the night & although we still had a bit left decided to leave it for the time being we had a last spliff to cap of the night & I headed home.

I awoke this morning to fing that my Salvia Divinorum cuttings had arrived :grin: .........some things are ment to be     

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Re: Salvia D. Trip [Re: metalchimp]
    #1615434 - 06/06/03 06:39 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for sharing that metalchimp, very enjoyable read. I smoked the rest of the Salvia, and was not let down by its effects. I've decided that I have a lot of respect for Salvia, and a lot of respect for those who really enjoy and use the experience, but I don't think I'm ready to use it on a frequent basis. I had a total of 3 breakthrough experiences with it and each time was completely abstract, completely strange, completely foreign. The experiences leave me feeling exhausted and mentally depleted, unlike mushrooms which leave me feeling alive and glorious.

Perhaps it is simply my current state of mind, my current state of ignorance, or a combination of both those and other factors. I just know that Salvia opens areas of mind that are insanely intense and complex. I feel that I have too many other issues and concepts that I need to work on gaining a stronger understanding of before I go frollicking in SalviaScape. But for those who are ready for it, I say good luck, Salvia is a strange and powerful drug and its power to open dimensions of the mind that have never been opened is astonishing. Peace.


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