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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: cateyes]
#15767645 - 02/06/12 09:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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how's it going cidhed? any updates?
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: c1dh3d]
#15771347 - 02/06/12 11:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: CheesePlease]
#15771494 - 02/06/12 11:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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CheesePlease said: how's it going cidhed? any updates?
Well I quit the vicodin without incident since Thursday night, but going through the whole breaking up shit with my girlfriend, I finally collapsed and ate some vic tonight.
I started eating more and more xanax over the weekend trying to curb my depression from the relationship ending, that I figured I might as well just do a vicodin so I'm not gobbling down xanax til I blackout, then wake up feeling like absolute shit for work.
So the plan had a little setback unfortunately, but there really was no way I could keep myself from having some relief from the depression, after only 4 days of not eating one. The vic Im not terribly worried about, as the withdrawl from those is brutal for the first couple days but subsides, the benzos kinda spiked for a few days trying to feel better - which of course didn't help.
In this time of grief all I want to do is buy 2000 xanax immediately, so I'm going to put it off for a little bit til I come back to my right mind, and get an amount that would allow for a lengthy, slow taper. Once said allotment is procured, I will be speaking with a doctor for his medical opinion on how best to approach a taper, and go from there.
Right now though my goal is to not start eating 4mg+ a day, which was starting to happen after breaking up with / kicking out the gf, so I'm just trying to bring it back down to 2-3mg a day and riding out this emotional downward spiral. Every day it feels a little less bad though.
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: c1dh3d]
#15771734 - 02/07/12 12:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds like a good plan..going through benzo withdrawals you need to be as strong and as good a place as possible- not totally depressed and already on edge. Good luck brother.
-------------------- "Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio." - Hunter S. Thompson "There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace, a two legged Georgia Peach." -Duane Allman ***All My Posts are Purely Fictional***
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: c1dh3d] 2
#15772874 - 02/07/12 09:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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> but there really was no way I could keep myself from having some relief from the depression
Bullshit. Man up and stop making excuses. I'm not going to scold you for drug use; to each his own (and a lot of us have been there)... but don't fucking lie to yourself about it. Plenty of people have relationships that end poorly and go through depression and what not. If you continue to accept excuses, you will continue to find excuses. If you want to quit, then you have to get serious about it. If you don't want to quit, then don't bother pretending otherwise.
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: Seuss]
#15773013 - 02/07/12 09:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I suppose I could just completely cut xanax as well instead of tapering off, and it is possible if I REALLY wanted to quit, but it helps me feel comfortable in my own skin because I'm dependant on it for that.
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: c1dh3d]
#15774531 - 02/07/12 03:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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fucking bizarre... i could have sworn i posted to this thread earlier today before i hit the doctors visit. maybe i didn't upload it but whenever i walk away or close a thought i'm able to return later and find it in the interface, what i typed to that point that is... anyways
if i can remember everything what i said was you should seriously consider using B vitamins, minerals and alot of high quality vitamin C to help you cope with the withdrawals better since B's are great for calming the brain especially B3 and b2 and B6, B3 mostly and tons of C... eat well but don't remove too much from you diet because a food addiction may be at play here too and the last thing you need on top of a benzo withdrawal is a food withdrawal too... exercise, water and plenty of chill time...
i also said it sucked the relationship ended now in a time of crisis but it is what it is and you'll have to make the best of it so to speak... i said i had little trouble quitting benzos in the end because at the time i was still taking 160mg of geodon but i was able to completely walk away from geodon as well as many other psyche meds, probably due to the fact that the side effects were much worse then the withdrawals. you have to live that shit to understand where i'm coming from... i said it sounded coo that you were considering a MD getting involved especially one who understands benzo's...
i didn't slam you for going form 1-2 mg a day to 3-4 a day and falling off of the vicodin wagon... there's one dude here who is struggling with a 2 day a week adderal addiction... now that is fucked up if you ask me, at least you're using and abusing everyday, you have an excuse but no excuse to up your use when the fucking goal is to quit! again, i know that benzo's trip people over so i'm not slamming you but you need to get a grip man, you said yourself you don't want to be that guy, well then don't be that guy... be a fucking winner! be a charlie charlie sheen! NOT!!!! fuck charlie... i wonder where his head is at?
if you honestly believe you can go cold turkey then go safe and taper... don't wreck yourself because you can turn this into a real serious psychological addiction as well... you'll eventually convince yourself you can't do without it... i'm just sayin'... i'm not hating... i'm listening to ross perot in the back ground on cspan 2... they have the nostalgia speeches and he's warning about that loud sucking sound as jobs are lost... how fucking prophetic... don't be a sucking sound, pull your shit together and begin to move forward... do not look back on this other then in a way of i don't ever want to go back there again! pull it together man... do it 4 U!!! this as your life we're talking about here, don't be a mess... do not be that guy you were telling us all about in the beginning of your thread.
i wish you nothing but he best in this man... PeaCe2u... NOW THIS BETTER POST DAMN IT!
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: c1dh3d]
#15777652 - 02/08/12 04:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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> I suppose I could just completely cut xanax as well instead of tapering off,
No, see my earlier post. Cold turkey with benzos is dangerous and can lead to death. You have to taper down over a long period of time.
What you need to do is decide if you are going to quit or not. If you are, then do it (properly) and stop making excuses.
> but it helps me feel comfortable in my own skin because I'm dependant on it for that.
Another excuse.
I'm speaking from experience. I've been there. It takes some serious desire and lot of will power to control your urges and properly taper down over several months. You can't half ass it. If you aren't going to commit to doing it, then don't waste your time. As long as you continue to find excuses to ignore the taper down schedule, you will fail. I'm not trying to be an ass, and I'm certainly not judging you. I've been there and I've seen it with others. You have to want to quit and you have to be willing to suffer, for many months, to get clean.
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: Seuss]
#15778492 - 02/08/12 10:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just wanted to stop in and offer my support cidhead. Good luck man, it's not going to be easy but in the long run it will be worth it. I can tell that you know in your heart it is the right thing to do. Let me know if you ever need to talk, I've been dealing with anxiety over the past two years as well.
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: t00th]
#15782621 - 02/09/12 07:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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> im not trying to put dude in danger or anything, but suggesting 6, 12 month tapers seems
Based upon his usage patterns, a taper of 4-mo (or more) is appropriate. This is the time it takes for the brain to repair itself from the damage done by the drug. In a nutshell, long term benzo usage reduces the number of GABA receptors in the brain. If you cold-turkey the benzo, you end up with GABA-underactivity, resulting in hyperexcitability of the nervous system. This is bad, and can lead to death in extreme cases. By slowly tapering down, you allow the brain time to grow new GABA receptors and avoid the problems associated with GABA-underactivity. Depending upon the dosage, the amount of time you have been taking the benzo, and how well your body heals, it can take anywhere from a few months to a few years to fully recover brain function.
I can't stress enough that you should work with a medical doctor if you are planning to taper off the drug.
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Re: Tapering off of xanax - Best methods? [Re: Seuss]
#15783028 - 02/09/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > im not trying to put dude in danger or anything, but suggesting 6, 12 month tapers seems
Based upon his usage patterns, a taper of 4-mo (or more) is appropriate. This is the time it takes for the brain to repair itself from the damage done by the drug. In a nutshell, long term benzo usage reduces the number of GABA receptors in the brain. If you cold-turkey the benzo, you end up with GABA-underactivity, resulting in hyperexcitability of the nervous system. This is bad, and can lead to death in extreme cases. By slowly tapering down, you allow the brain time to grow new GABA receptors and avoid the problems associated with GABA-underactivity. Depending upon the dosage, the amount of time you have been taking the benzo, and how well your body heals, it can take anywhere from a few months to a few years to fully recover brain function.
I can't stress enough that you should work with a medical doctor if you are planning to taper off the drug.
Solid advice. That's the whole thing- you can do yourself physical harm by coming off them too quickly that can result in long term illnesses and complications- See Acute Benzo Withdrawal Syndrome. http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzcha03.htm
The studies conducted by Dr. Heather Ashton (a leading scholar in benzo pharmacology-mainly benzo withdrawal) point to the idea that people doing an appropriate (usually what you seem to call too long) withdrawal schedule not only had much serious benzo withdrawal syndrome problems that others had- they also had a better success rate at getting off the benzos. Here is the scheduling she recommends- http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm
She speaks of 2 other methods in which detoxification occurs much quicker, but, as I said above, there were long lasting psychological/physiological problems and a lower success rate with these methods.
-------------------- "Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what they really mean is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer. On some nights I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio." - Hunter S. Thompson "There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace, a two legged Georgia Peach." -Duane Allman ***All My Posts are Purely Fictional***
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