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OfflineScarfmeister
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People who model their life after some book
    #1577872 - 05/26/03 06:25 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

I noticed that many people have read some book which has had a profound impact on their life. They constantly quote or reference the book as if it contained some universal truths.
I'm a fairly well red man and enjoy taking on some heavier reading from time to time yet i have never read a book that has had any major effect on my life. A girlfriend of mine constantly lives by a book called the ninth insight which i have also read. The book is good but its hardly a life changing experience.

Most things you read in books related to spirituality and psychology deal with pretty basic things and contain allot of obvious facts yet when some people read it its like they think they have just read the word of god.
I dont have to read things in a book in order to understand that I'm doing the "right" thing.
I fear people are to easily persuaded by the words of others. Question everything.








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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1577877 - 05/26/03 06:34 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

i think it's a matter of affection.
we sometimes cling to groupings of words and the ideas they represent as much as we may cling to someone we love very much.
maybe someone reads something so mind blowing they just become enamoured of it and would rather not move on to the next thing right away, revelling in the glory of their new found shiny golden nugget of ego stimulating intillectual yumminess.

Edited by Clean (05/26/03 06:36 AM)

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1577880 - 05/26/03 06:39 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Yea i know what you mean
I've always had this certain view about those psychology / spiritual books... I guess you could say I don't believe in them.. I mean there are many functional things they can teach you, and its always good to understand other people's outlooks on life
but as far as basing your life on the practices in them, that is outrageous to me... they always just remain one (or a few) persons' perspectives, and should be looked at as so, i think

then again some books dont try and teach you anything, but point you towards something bigger to figure out for yourself... but i guess any form of art does... blah

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Grav]
    #1577883 - 05/26/03 06:41 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

haha.. yes, everyone's always after those golden nuggets

this makes me feel good. i want more

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1577887 - 05/26/03 06:48 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

This phenomenon is predicated on three erroneous beliefs by the reader:

1. I am helpless and / or ignorant.

2. Others (experts) have the "answers".

3. Getting a book published makes one an "expert".

Now before I get bashed, let me put in a caveat. We can definitely learn from books written by people who have gained experience such as in fields ranging from cooking to carpentry to engineering.

However, many pop-psychology, self-help and New Age books make statements AS IF they were facts with no backing evidence. Things such as "You are exactly where you are supposed to be." (then why the need to read your book other than to help on your yacht payment? "The Universe is safe and loving." Uh-huh. Repeat that when your wife is dying of breast cancer or your kid is shot in a drive-by. "

There are five, no seven, no thirteen chakras say different "experts." Gary Zhukov, a physicist and popular "spiritual" author says that there are five and that they are unseen and unmeasurable, but yet he knows what they are and how many. How does he know? BECAUSE HE WROTE THE GODDAMN BOOK is how he knows. Can you say "circular reasoning"?

Chopra writes of "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind" yet looks all of his 50+ years and will die in 10 to 30 years while his books sell to those hopeful people looking for an "out" even after his passing; so strong is our need to believe.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1577892 - 05/26/03 06:59 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

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Chopra writes of "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind" yet looks all of his 50+ years and will die in 10 to 30 years while his books sell to those hopeful people looking for an "out" even after his passing; so strong is our need to believe.




haha so true


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1577896 - 05/26/03 07:05 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

I like the "Be happy with who you are, Take your life back" type self-help books, and the picture on the cover is a closeup of the female author buried in makeup and wearing revealing garments...

conscious thought: I should be spiritually happy
subliminal message: I will look like her

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Grav]
    #1577901 - 05/26/03 07:12 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

How about the "I Survived Cancer" type books? Here the author was one of the lucky 3% to have experienced spontaneous remission from a deadly cancer while doing nothing special and then attributing her recovery to some affirmations and spiritual techniques.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1578118 - 05/26/03 10:43 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

I agree with much that has been said as I too find it strange that people believe so deeply in what they read. The problem with most readers is that he/she does not realize that an author is a person with an opinion, even if it sounds like it is the most basic truths of life, it is still only one opinion. Maybe the problem is that everyone is looking for an easy path in life, meaning no one wishes to explore all (or at least try to) the knowledge around us and make their own unique conclusions. I guess it is easier to take the words of another as truth rather then to find your own truth.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1578180 - 05/26/03 11:14 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

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I noticed that many people have read some book which has had a profound impact on their life. They constantly quote or reference the book as if it contained some universal truths.




I don't think frequent quoting from a particular book necessarily makes a person weak-minded, nor is it evidence that they've been somehow brainwashed. I know you didn't use those terms but other replies have alluded to this 'phenomenon.'

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I'm a fairly well red man and enjoy taking on some heavier reading from time to time yet i have never read a book that has had any major effect on my life.




I think you are an anomaly in that sense. You've honestly never read a book that has prompted you to re-examine any aspect of your personality or your life? Am I correct in taking this to mean you read purely for the temporary entertainment books can provide?

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Most things you read in books related to spirituality and psychology deal with pretty basic things and contain allot of obvious facts




I disagree. There are millions of books related to spirituality and psychology, written by different people with different motives, qualifications, experiences and attitudes. I'm sure every individual would find some of them to be full of wisdom, and others to be pure quackery.

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yet when some people read it its like they think they have just read the word of god.




To me that just sounds like a condescending way of describing someone who has been inspired by a book. A person's enthusiasm about a particular book may seem over the top, but it isn't because they've been brainwashed, or that they're so ignorant that 'obvious facts' are new to them.

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I fear people are to easily persuaded by the words of others. Question everything.




Persuaded to do what? To send their paycheques to a cult leader with all the answers, or to view the world in a way they may not have thought of?



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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #1578188 - 05/26/03 11:21 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Spirituality for Dummies

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1578192 - 05/26/03 11:23 AM (21 years, 23 days ago)

seen on a shelf in Wal-mart: The Celestine Prophecy

I laughed so hard people were looking at me like I was crazy

the MASSES are enlightened and I am crazy.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1579558 - 05/26/03 08:31 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

George W. Bush molded his presidency from the book 1984.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: ]
    #1579573 - 05/26/03 08:35 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Ive modeled my life on the manual for Final Fantasy 6


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1579824 - 05/26/03 09:56 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

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seen on a shelf in Wal-mart: The Celestine Prophecy

I laughed so hard people were looking at me like I was crazy

the MASSES are enlightened and I am crazy.





that's a good book. so are the 3 in my sig.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1579968 - 05/26/03 10:38 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

i don't think patterning one's life/self from a book(or better yet, many different books) is any different fundamentally than an aspiring  musician doing the same thing with one particular musican of group of musicians, it's kind of nice to get a feel/taste of life and maybe even some attendant wis-dumb from those that have gone B4 and who perhaps have something positive to offer in the way of advice and inspiration to fellow travellers on the path....

You take what has come B4 and hopefully add some of your own goals/dreams/aspirations/life experience and come up with something that is uniquely(sp?) your own, then you pass THAT down and maybe, just maybe the world of the future is just that much better for you having lived and learned :smile:

 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1580404 - 05/27/03 01:18 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)


People who model their life after some book = Dumb.  :tongue:

Only mindless fools follow someone elses' ideals on how you should live. I see these people on tv and shit ontop of their soapbox telling people how to live their lives and I can plainly see ::squeegee sound:: with my squeegeed 3rd eye, that it's BRAINWASHING people, and the fools are there nodding while the author is preaching their ideals and shit and all I can think of is how fucking stupid you would have to be to follow a fucking self-help author. It's discusting, really.

I feel sorry for the weak-minded, but hey........what can I do?  :crazy:


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1580426 - 05/27/03 01:29 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)


Ive modeled my life on the manual for Final Fantasy 6

Great manual! I loved it. Great game too. FF6 is probably my favorite FF game, second only the first Final Fantasy. Good memories. Great times. Classic.

I wouldn't model my life around it, and frankly, I don't see how someone can- but the Atma sword fucking kicks ass! And danm that one pink dude! I hate that guy. He always sneezes on me!


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Murex]
    #1580448 - 05/27/03 01:36 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Sure alot of people cling to dogma - it's true believer syndrome.

there's a clear distinction between true believers and just reading a really good fucking book that more people ought to read.

True, outward appearances are similar in both cases, and it's nearly impossible to articulate a standard by which to judge worthwhile books....

what I'm trying to say is that if you haven't found books that have impacted your life, then you really aren't in the know. there are alot of really good books.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Malachi]
    #1580474 - 05/27/03 01:47 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

not that I condone book burning but someday I'd love to take a match to the new age section of my local bookstore.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Malachi]
    #1580509 - 05/27/03 01:56 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)


Actually, I can see how weak-minded people can get something posative out of a book. I mean, if they never thought of anything reguarding the topic or whatever, they can implement it in their lives and possably become something better.

As for me, I'll stick with not reading books. Unless of course they are based off of scientific fact or whatever. I really like art books, I could just look at the pitcures cuz I kant read.

:tongue: 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Murex]
    #1580765 - 05/27/03 05:20 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

My intellect is the sum total of my experiences. I dont care if an author has won the Nobel prize because no matter how wise this person is his writing is based on his experiences not mine. Why would anything he has experienced apply to my life? We do not have anything in common nor does he posses any knowledge that i could not aquier through reasoning.

Reading will put things in to a new perspective and give me a nice mental workout, but at the end of it all very little will impact the path that i have chosen. Provoke change through intelligent debate not passive assimilation of words.




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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1581184 - 05/27/03 10:58 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

What's more fascinating is the psychology of the people who WRITE these books.

Believing that you've found the key to eternal life and joy and it can be applied to everyone is a level of arrogance I can't possibly imagine experiencing for myself. Strange stuff.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Phluck]
    #1581204 - 05/27/03 11:07 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

It is more like believing that you have found the key to skiing at Teluride, a new Corvette, yachting in San Diego and mega-babes; all through the power of royalties from your best-seller on the keys to happiness (and subsequent lectures and appearance fees as the guru-of-the-month).


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1581250 - 05/27/03 11:27 AM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Please do not insult authors like that, though you are probably right about the fact that most authors write for money but not all. The truly great authors (an art which is becoming increasingly rare) write because of passion and they write for themselves not for others. Literature is not to be accepted blindly by the masses as the sum of all wisdom but rather it is meant to waken a part of you that you are not aware it is there, it is meant to open yourself to a new idea, what is done with that idea is up to the individual.  :grin:   


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: WaveRider] * 1
    #1581426 - 05/27/03 12:21 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Some of you people make me laugh. You do realize that the knowledge of our species is transmitted through the written word, right? I would love to see the outcome of a life lived by someone who refused to accept any second-hand knowledge, stubbornly attempting to think through every single thing on their own. First of all, it's impossible; no one here who is able to think or speak figured out how to do that without the influence of their society and culture. Secondly, such a person would likely reek of ignorance, as many people in this world do. Swami, Phluck, all of you guys have obviously inherited other people's ideas and philosophies, and have chosen to model your thinking after a certain historical lineage of thought (Cartesian rationalism, or what have you). Of course none of you would deny this; my point is that all you are criticizing are the choices people make in terms of what kinds of ideas they allow to influence them.

Now this is a valid criticism. A lot of "knowledge" is being disseminated in the world right now that isn't worth a shit. Much of it can be found in the New Age section of the bookstore, but just as much bullshit is transmitted by the so-called experts in politics or history, for example. Maybe more. The new age movement is pretty laughable at times (Gary Zukav is a total joke IMO), but they have built their "theories" around some profound truths that have formed the core of the world's great wisdom traditions for millenia. The problem (as with almost any subject) is that there is so much chaff there that it's hard to find the wheat.

In my opinion the fault for this (if we have to find fault here at all) lies more with the profit-driven book publishers than anyone else... A large segment of the public is becoming interested in topics of a "spiritual" nature, IMO because they are beginning to recognize the dead end emptiness of our current set of cultural values, and something about Deepak Chopra's words (for example) resonates with them. Publishers see this trend and say, hmm, spirituality is hot this year. Let's flood the market with books by every hack popularizer and take advantage of this emerging demographic. Hence the chaff.

The average person isn't interested in heavy reading, so they ignore the quality sources of the perennial truths hidden in the new age mumbo jumbo and head straight for the books of whoever they saw on Oprah last month. Instead of reading Chogyam Trungpa or Abraham Maslow (or heaven forbid, the Dhammapada or the Tao Te Ching), they end up reading Wayne Dyer or whatever author the hype machine currently has puched to the top of the heap, and they end up getting a ton of crap mixed in with the genuine stuff. This to me is unfortunate because the stupidity of the new age gurus leads to many intelligent people throwing the baby out with the bathwater and dismissing the teachings of some of our species' wisest minds along with the ramblings of some of its most confused.

As far as modeling your life after a book, well, all I can say is we all model our lives after something, or many things to be more precise. None of us exist in a vaccuum, and we are constantly being molded by everything around us, whether we like to admit it or not. One person is influenced by a book they read, another by a person they know or a commercial they saw. It's all the same. A discerning mind will generally choose better influences, but we live in a culture that encourages uncritical acceptance of all kinds of authority, and it does not surprise me to see that many people have a difficult time determining who is worth listening to and who is not. I would discourage blind acceptance of any belief, but there are people worth listening to, and yes, some of them can probably be found in the new age section.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: sunyata]
    #1581506 - 05/27/03 12:53 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Great post!

The types of spiritual books that I like best are those of the "I was lost and now I'm found" variety. I don't mean Christian books (although they are not exempt), but personal experiences of someone whose life was clearly not working (health, money, realtionships, etc) and found a way to access real power and control over their limitations (real or self-imposed).

Even brilliant writers with profound philosophies, whose lives are a mess, I would tend to avoid (if I knew that much about their personal life).

The "We are all Dolphins from Sirius" books hold no appeal except as pure amusement.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1581520 - 05/27/03 01:02 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

books are great.

books written by intelligent people inspire intelligent thought.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1581644 - 05/27/03 01:49 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

"I was lost and now I'm found"


~~*Freak pictures he and Swami arm in arm staggering towards a muddy culvert after a few too many pina coloda's(Swami was buying :grin:) per chance to dream singing Amazing Grace*~~


I once was lost~*hic*~ but now i'm found~*hic*~~
was blind.....*~~hic*~~but now i see...... 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1581797 - 05/27/03 02:37 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

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Great post!




Thanks!

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Even brilliant writers with profound philosophies, whose lives are a mess, I would tend to avoid (if I knew that much about their personal life).




See, not me. I guess it depends on what kind of life you consider to be a mess. I recently learned that Alan Watts was apparently an alcoholic or something and didn't see much of his kids, but I would be much poorer intellectually if I had known this and avoided his books. There are lots of philosophers whose biographies would lead me to stay away from their work but that would mean ignoring someone like Nietzsche or Heidegger who may be a real genius with a lot of important things to say.

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The "We are all Dolphins from Sirius" books hold no appeal except as pure amusement.




I have never even seen one of these books before. My eyes must just automatically skip over them at the book store or something. They definitely sound interesting, but it's weird that this is the stereotype that occurs to most people when they think of someone in our culture who considers themselves to be spiritual outside the framework of organized religion. I've never met anyone who believes that stuff, though I know many people who shop in the the new age section. They aren't reading dolphin stuff, but they are still receiving confused and muddled messages from people who really don't know what they are talking about all the time. But whatever turns a person's crank, I suppose.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: sunyata]
    #1581809 - 05/27/03 02:42 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

kafka was a mess, but he had alot of insight.

i find people whose lives are a "mess" are much more intersting than those with stable lives. security is non-existent in this world, and if someone manages to hold onto it for their whole life, well, i guess thats good for them.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1581897 - 05/27/03 03:23 PM (21 years, 22 days ago)

Kirkegaard was kind of a madd fuXXor himself, i read his biography many years ago, still doesn't mean he didn't have any wordz of wis-dumb to impart.......and who could forget jack kerouac and........aww n/m :grin: 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: sunyata]
    #1583357 - 05/27/03 11:48 PM (21 years, 21 days ago)

See, not me. I guess it depends on what kind of life you consider to be a mess.

Would you rather read a fitness book by Arnold Schwarzenneger or Orson Wells? If someone says do A, B, & C which will result in D, but the author himself has not achieved D than how can you have any faith in his methodology?


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1583484 - 05/28/03 12:20 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

Would you rather read a fitness book by Arnold Schwarzenneger or Orson Wells? "

And WHO would you rather listen to describing the invasion of our planet by Martians? :grin: 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Swami]
    #1583499 - 05/28/03 12:23 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

Try it?

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1583937 - 05/28/03 02:22 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

FreakQlibrium: And WHO would you rather listen to describing the invasion of our planet by Martians?  :grin:

Honestly?  Schwarzenegger.
Can you imagine how funny that would sound?
Goddamn... it'd be great!
:cool:--> "I'll be back... with the mothership." 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Sclorch]
    #1584264 - 05/28/03 07:27 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

lol

"Goddamn... it'd be great!
--> "I'll be back... with the mothership."

that was funny



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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Sclorch]
    #1584270 - 05/28/03 07:33 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

Honestly? Schwarzenegger.

i was actually alluding to the famous (1939?) pseudo invasion by Martians that was orated by Orson Welles(radio broadcast i think) and actually had us earthlings believing we were being invaded....it just wouldn't have been as credible with Ahhhhnold doing the play by play :grin: 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Sclorch]
    #1584720 - 05/28/03 11:33 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

FreakQlibrium: And WHO would you rather listen to describing the invasion of our planet by Martians?  :grin:

Honestly?  Schwarzenegger.
Can you imagine how funny that would sound?
Goddamn... it'd be great!
:cool:--> "I'll be back... with the mothership."   




:grin:

Now  that is funny!

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: ]
    #1584734 - 05/28/03 11:37 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

ya...
and then george clinton & bootsy collins come boogalooin' on down the ramp...


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: gnrm23]
    #1584771 - 05/28/03 11:47 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

books...
squiggles of ink across paper...
symbols representing distilled thoughts, messages that can bridge the gaps between minds, the chasms between ages past and worlds to come...
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arghh, screw reading, it makes my eyes tired & them old farts got nuthin' on my man (fill in the name of fave rave popstar, movie actor, or TV megameister)...
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hmmm, look -- a message in a bottle; i wonder what it says...
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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: gnrm23]
    #1584776 - 05/28/03 11:48 AM (21 years, 21 days ago)

What a visual!

:grin:

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: ]
    #1588160 - 05/29/03 07:25 AM (21 years, 20 days ago)

I've decided to model my life after the Kama Sutra  :grin:
now all I need is a partner/s  :smirk: 


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: lucid]
    #1588170 - 05/29/03 07:43 AM (21 years, 20 days ago)

I model my life after acid, music, and videogames, and certain beautiful images that play in my head.



Seriously.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Grav]
    #1588367 - 05/29/03 09:52 AM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Everyone needs something to believe in.

Hopefully one who models their life after a book can actually resonate with one of the characters. And maybe someday, that will help them realize themselves.



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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1588465 - 05/29/03 10:38 AM (21 years, 20 days ago)

As for more general fiction and sci-fi, as opposed to 'new-age' books, I think there is a lot of very inspirational material out there. While I have not 'modelled' my life after any particular book, I have gain great inspiration from many of them on many different levels.

The conceptual sociological ideas of Robert Heinlein are masterful. I often quote Heinlein, becuase he has put concepts on the table in a much more eloquent form than I, and it makes it easier to convey to people where I am coming from by doing so. Tom Robbins, Spider Robinson, Kurt Vonnegut... Hell - Greg Palast, Howard Bloom, Noam Chomsky; I have learned from all of them and have adopted some of their viewpoints as my own.

HOWEVER
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This phenomenon is predicated on three erroneous beliefs by the reader:
1. I am helpless and / or ignorant.
2. Others (experts) have the "answers".
3. Getting a book published makes one an "expert".
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I take a bit of offence to this. Because I agree with certain authors, and choose or my own free will and with full mindfullness of the conceptual nature of the argument, does not mean that I am helpless/ignorant or incapable or unwilling to make up my own mind on something. I do not beleive that anyone has anymore access to the 'answers' than I do. But sometimes, people have trained themselves in the usage of our language in such a was as to make their statement of said answers a bit more interesting, useful, and just plain perdy than the ones that I may eloqute.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1589238 - 05/29/03 03:18 PM (21 years, 20 days ago)

Well there is actually one book that while reading, I took on a different perspective of life and have been growing ever since. It was merely something of an accelerator pad to what I was feeling already. Most people who read this book will never understand it anyhow cause they are just lazy and don't feel like thinking about the topics the author suggests. If you ever run out of stuff to read, check out Total Freedom by J. Krishnamurti.

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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: Murex]
    #1591437 - 05/29/03 10:09 PM (21 years, 19 days ago)

Final fantasy was a good video game series. I haven't played the last 3.

I think that ff3 was the best, second was 7.


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Re: People who model their life after some book [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1591784 - 05/29/03 11:38 PM (21 years, 19 days ago)

6 was way better than seven man, 6 was the apex of human reality.


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