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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: qman] 1
#15774385 - 02/07/12 03:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: Every culture in the world obeys the law of nature,
Get your head out of your ass. What the hell are the "laws of nature"? You mean the ones that created homosexual people in the first place?
You're throwing around the word nature as if it's something separate from everything else.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Dark_Star]
#15774387 - 02/07/12 03:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sad, but true. Unfortunate these are also the same idiots making the laws.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Dark_Star]
#15774389 - 02/07/12 03:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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100% legal
Gays have the right to be as miserable as straight people
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
#15774393 - 02/07/12 03:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should we take random rights away from a random set of people, because some random religious guy picking random quotes from some random book randomly says so?
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: qman]
#15774395 - 02/07/12 03:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: The purpose of marriage has always been about creating a structure for FAMILY, that a man and woman plan to make. A man and man can not create a family, a woman and woman can not create a family.
Marriage is for the benefit of future children, and keeping a family together through a commitment to god, this does not apply to gay people, they do not have children.
Every culture in the world obeys the law of nature, man and woman are a marriage, nothing else, it's for the sake of a strong family unit.
All the gays want is to legitimize the behavior of homosexuality by having gay marriage legal, why else would they care so much?
This is complete and utter bullshit and you sound petty ignorant.
I'm a straight male and have no interest in marriage or being gay.
But government passing a law banning gay marriage is the most retarded thing and a fundamental violation of human rights and our constitution.
There are always some exceptions, sperm donations, adoptions, ect. Most major religions have marriage only between man and woman, and have for thousands of years, this is the foundation of a culture.
Every major religion promotes pro-creation, that is the purpose of the marriage. Back many years ago, if a married couple did not have children, they were a outcast in society, so getting married and not having children makes no sense from a religious perspective.
The history of marriage is important in this discussion, just because it's hip to be gay does not mean it's suitable for marriage.
Don't you think that if the two people that want to get married (the only two people this marriage will affect) want to get married that they should be allowed? Or that this is somehow not suitable?
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: SlashOZ]
#15774404 - 02/07/12 03:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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SlashOZ said: The more important question is why anyone cares what other people do with regard to marraige at all?
Similarly, why is the government interested in regulating marraige?
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: qman]
#15774410 - 02/07/12 03:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are always some exceptions, sperm donations, adoptions, ect. Most major religions have marriage only between man and woman, and have for thousands of years, this is the foundation of a culture.
Every major religion promotes pro-creation, that is the purpose of the marriage. Back many years ago, if a married couple did not have children, they were a outcast in society, so getting married and not having children makes no sense from a religious perspective.
The history of marriage is important in this discussion, just because it's hip to be gay does not mean it's suitable for marriage.
Religion has absolutely nothing to do with our Constitution. Or were you not paying attention?
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... I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and state." Thomas Jefferson, Letter, Danbury Baptist Assn. January 1, 1802
And if we are talking about the HISTORY of marriage.
Here is your "Traditional" marriage. ACCORDING TO RELIGION
Fail.
You want your hetero marriage, that's fine, have at it. But don't you go telling other people what they can and can't do.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
#15774430 - 02/07/12 03:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said:
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There are always some exceptions, sperm donations, adoptions, ect. Most major religions have marriage only between man and woman, and have for thousands of years, this is the foundation of a culture.
Every major religion promotes pro-creation, that is the purpose of the marriage. Back many years ago, if a married couple did not have children, they were a outcast in society, so getting married and not having children makes no sense from a religious perspective.
The history of marriage is important in this discussion, just because it's hip to be gay does not mean it's suitable for marriage.
Religion has absolutely nothing to do with our Constitution. Or were you not paying attention?
And if we are talking about the HISTORY of marriage.
Here is your "Traditional" marriage. ACCORDING TO RELIGION
Fail.
Solomon was the man.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#15774435 - 02/07/12 03:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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700 wives, is that really a good thing?
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15774439 - 02/07/12 03:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is marriage even a good thing? No but that's not the point. It's a basic right protected by our fucking Constitution. Which no one seems to really give a shit about, even Congress.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15774448 - 02/07/12 03:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm from across the sea so I can't really comment on that. American politics seem fucked from what I can gather on here.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Inconspicuous]
#15774451 - 02/07/12 03:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
#15774456 - 02/07/12 03:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea everyone knows Ben Franklyn liked it up the butt
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#15774469 - 02/07/12 03:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said: Should we take random rights away from a random set of people, because some random religious guy picking random quotes from some random book randomly says so?
The answer is yes btw. That's what we've been doing since we first got the idea of government - why on earth would we want to change that?
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: qman]
#15774471 - 02/07/12 03:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said:
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qman said: The purpose of marriage has always been about creating a structure for FAMILY, that a man and woman plan to make. A man and man can not create a family, a woman and woman can not create a family.
Marriage is for the benefit of future children, and keeping a family together through a commitment to god, this does not apply to gay people, they do not have children.
Every culture in the world obeys the law of nature, man and woman are a marriage, nothing else, it's for the sake of a strong family unit.
All the gays want is to legitimize the behavior of homosexuality by having gay marriage legal, why else would they care so much?
This is complete and utter bullshit and you sound petty ignorant.
I'm a straight male and have no interest in marriage or being gay.
But government passing a law banning gay marriage is the most retarded thing and a fundamental violation of human rights and our constitution.
There are always some exceptions, sperm donations, adoptions, ect. Most major religions have marriage only between man and woman, and have for thousands of years, this is the foundation of a culture.
Every major religion promotes pro-creation, that is the purpose of the marriage. Back many years ago, if a married couple did not have children, they were a outcast in society, so getting married and not having children makes no sense from a religious perspective.
The history of marriage is important in this discussion, just because it's hip to be gay does not mean it's suitable for marriage.
you are so off base. pro creation is not something taught to our species through religion. It is programmed deep within us. It is something that we desire, to prolong the existence of our species. Think about this: how many gay children are raised by straight parents?
The fact is that two men or two women are just as capable of taking care of a child as a man and a woman. Your child will not turn out gay just because s/he was raised by gay parents. That is something you don't just decide. Being homosexual is not a choice, and there is nothing wrong or unnatural about it. Homosexuality is found through many species in nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
this is a civil rights issue. these people are being treated like second class citizens and the federal government should have NO business in any of this.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#15774707 - 02/07/12 04:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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what if a gay man and a gay woman were to get married? should that be allowed or not? or the better way of looking at it--WHO GIVES A FUCK!
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#15774713 - 02/07/12 04:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't the obvious answer to offer tax breaks and federal benefits to parents instead of couples?
Let whoever get married to whoever, that's their right. But the point of state recognized marriage is to benefit society as a whole, obviously simply being married offers no benefit to society as a whole, raising a family does. So why not simply reward those with families?
State supported marriage just really doesn't make sense anymore.. With the sorry state of the institution of marriage, and a generally changing social atmosphere, what's the point in treating it as more than a useless and archaic social contract long past it's time? You should be able to love and enter a loving obligation to anybody you want, but to demand money and benefits for it is a completely different matter.
Like, am I a fucking nut, or am I missing something big here? Fuck couples, fuck marriages, they are irrelevant in the scope of modern governmental intervention for the betterment of society. Families make societies strong, so shouldn't societies be supporting families first and foremost?
If you can raise and assimilate useful members of society into the whole, then you deserve state recognized benefits. If you love someone, you deserve to be with them. AmIRite?
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: iVoodoo]
#15774848 - 02/07/12 04:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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iVoodoo said: Isn't the obvious answer to offer tax breaks and federal benefits to parents instead of couples?
No. I think the obvious answer is to do away with financial incentives for any and all types of marriage.
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iVoodoo said: So why not simply reward those with families?
Because procreating and calling it a "family" doesn't necessarily benefit society.
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Re: Should gay marriage be legal/illegal? [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#15774936 - 02/07/12 05:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: Every culture in the world obeys the law of nature,
Get your head out of your ass. What the hell are the "laws of nature"?
the laws of nature where unicorns dont marry rhinoceroses even though they both have a horn on their heads nor do they marry horses even though horses are in the same family, that sort of thing is strictly left to royalty and Lower Alabama
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