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Calocybe Indica on Coir
    #15773317 - 02/07/12 10:57 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)


This was a substrate experiment. Less than 1 liter/ quart of coir sterilized and inoculated with agar. It took forever but its finally pinning. Aren't they cute? I read somewhere that spraying with 1 gram of urea to 1 liter of water supports pin growth. I can't find that paper now. Has anyone done this?


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15774152 - 02/07/12 02:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Never seen that paper, but wow, nice pinset!
Do you say this is pure coir without any additives?

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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: Mycelio]
    #15775014 - 02/07/12 05:23 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

This is grown on "spent orchid substrate" of pure coir but maybe with fertilizer and partially composted? I adjusted the ph with lime and added a little calcium sulfate. I want to spray fertilizer because so many pins on a liter of substrate might not develop. I'll post the paper here when I find it.


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15775659 - 02/07/12 07:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Compared to fresh coir, yours must have lots more nitrogen, so I guess there is fertilizer, which also enabled lots of microbes to colonize the coir fibers. C. indica may be able to utilize ammonium salts and/or nitrates plus it got some extra proteins, amino acids, vitamins etc. from the dead microbes.

Thank you for posting, very interesting!
The absence of casing soil is also fascinating.

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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: Mycelio]
    #15776360 - 02/07/12 09:22 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In the pict its not pure coir ??/ I never heard of Calocybe pinning on pure coir, its too poor in nutrients.Pure coir in India is used for casing soil due to the waterholding capacity.Srayin fertilized water on the pinheads will risk the pinheads to abort, better injecting fetilizer in the substrate near the pinheads with syringe.
They look nice , good performance sparkie.Now comes the difficult one , will they match the pinoy tatse buds.Here with the volvariella its always comments from too strong taste, too watery, to dry , too small too big , you cant do it right for these kampanpangang choosy mouths
I would suggest for a next trial you use yr coir with a 50 pct well aged compost added too
When you have tasted them yourself let me know what you think about the taste... at the end you are pinay


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: bitepourrie]
    #15777140 - 02/08/12 12:12 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think you understood the thread very well Bitep... The coir is composted and fertile, but it's coir nonetheless. I'm preparing for a commercial grow so I don't think injecting fertilizer is an option. However, regarding taste, if it doesn't taste good, I will find time to inject truffle oil :smile: I don't appreciate what I think are racial comments from you. I hope I'm wrong.


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15777705 - 02/08/12 05:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I taught it was the pure coir i buy in manila seedling bank without any added fertilizer.
The problem here is that in kampanpangan tradition it seems the mushrooms are only for the poor, they even blamed my wife on arrival in Philippines why her husband was gathering mushrooms in the field and the forest, ... they  argued that my wife was not taking well care of her husband.(note she takes well care of me, very dedicated woman)Here they considered you well off if you go at least 3 times a week to eat to Jollibee or Macdo(i never go to these establishments as i do not digest well their fatty cuisine)I do not live in the city , but in a far flung barangay among the farmers and the street vendors, and the last 5 years they die in droves even young and when you tell them it because of their bad eating habits, well they just laugh at you,


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15777728 - 02/08/12 05:26 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with Bitepourrie that spraying water on developing mushrooms always poses a risk of bacterial rotting. With added urea this risk should be even higher.

Sparkle, is it possible that the paper you read was about spraying urea water on the casing layer before the pins develop, something like feeding microbes, which then increase pinning?

However, in case you get at least some average harvest, you have found an interesting second use for your spent orchid substrate.

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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: Mycelio]
    #15778306 - 02/08/12 09:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Further more there is a video on Youtube who shows an Indian company making a kind of miracle mushroom cultivating brick.What i saw its mainly made out of cococoir enriched with a kind of compost, could be you are in the right direction to make a workable commercial end substrate.
I agree with Mycelio, in the Volvariella once we have pins we never spray water or fertilizer on the pins, but be indeed spray fertilized water on the substrate if it looks to dry before the pinning starts and also in agaricus cultivation spraying fertilized  water on the casing soil before the pins get out promotes pinning


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: bitepourrie]
    #15779805 - 02/08/12 03:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In this paper it says urea spray "at pinning" and here it said spray "immediately before fruiting"

Coir as substrate for Calocybe in this paper:
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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15780033 - 02/08/12 04:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Looks great, Sparkle! What temperature and humidity levels are you using?


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15780105 - 02/08/12 05:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I've fruited a couple of blocks of Calocybe indica on eucalyptus sawdust and wheat bran. Worked better for me with no casing.
Here's some pinning in a bag-colonization was about 1 year!



Some with coir casing-never colonised the coir.







A firm, dense texture, not a strong flavour, cooked up nicely fried with butter, olive oil and garlic. Also made a nice preserve-sliced and salted, spiced vinegar and oil to cover and a some tarragon.

I've had it fruit on petris, it stays viable for ages-over a year on agar in a draw, outside temps here get below freezing, inside gets bloody cold. Just trasferred some a few months ago, and they're racing away during the warmth.


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: worowa]
    #15780500 - 02/08/12 06:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hi wor i took one year to colonize the bag ?????


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: Terry M]
    #15781158 - 02/08/12 08:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Looks great, Sparkle! What temperature and humidity levels are you using?



This was 71-91ºF Humidity about 80 at spawning and almost 100% at fruiting. Took about a month for this quart of substrate to colonize. I should've given them a lot more air. I noticed CI needs a lot more air. I'm wondering if it will develop because there's so little substrate but we'll see.
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I've had it fruit on petris



Me too, it fruited on tap water, a perfect half inch Calocybe floating proudly.


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15781604 - 02/08/12 10:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'm curious on the taste, texture and keeping quality of this kind of mushroom.  Maybe when the fruits are mature you can send some to me sparkle. :smile:


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15781706 - 02/08/12 10:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Me too, it fruited on tap water, a perfect half inch Calocybe floating proudly.




What does this mean?

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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: lipa]
    #15782333 - 02/09/12 03:44 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I want to preserve the culture so.... as we are told we need to put the myc on DISTILLED water but i did not have distilled so I used tap water and it fruited in tap water...I'm perplexed myself...but so cute...


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: superfunkibey]
    #15785448 - 02/09/12 07:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm curious on the taste, texture and keeping quality of this kind of mushroom.  Maybe when the fruits are mature you can send some to me sparkle. :smile:



I will:wink:


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #15789933 - 02/10/12 07:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Update...
Growing slowly but surely.


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Re: Calocybe Indica on Coir [Re: sparkle]
    #16185948 - 05/05/12 12:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hello,

I want to buy a print spores of Calocybe Indica or in another method.

Can you help my about this?

Thank you

Greetings.


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