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    #15749536 - 02/01/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

When I first started this hobby about a month ago... I started with the PF TEK... got some cakes colonizing... and as I read more and more on this site... I realized that I didn't want to just fruit a cake... I decided spawning to bulk was more of my interest.

In the meantime, I had been messing around with Rye and WBS... and some other things.. and had made the intention to spawn to bulk with all of my  spawn... which I still intend to...

But recently started messing around with LC... and honestly... I should have just started with this method of germination.... So much easier... and so much easier to keep contam free. From now on (As long as they are contam free), I am going to focus primarily on this method of germination... Being able to inject myc into your grain instead having your spores germinate in there just seems like a no brainer...

Not only that, but the longevity of the LC... being able to grab a jar and inject and go... or even prefilling syringes for later use... so simple...

Just thought I would share that... I haven't even fruited my first mush yet...  but the more I read and research, the more it starts to make sense... and it turns out this can mush cultivation can be VERY easy... and "waiting" time can be cut out using certain inefficiencies... it makes it almost like a puzzle to play with...

Anyway, big thanks to those who have helped me get this far... and I look forward to harassing you vets with more noob questions...lol

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15749571 - 02/01/12 10:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome, youre a well-eastablished noob that i like to think im apart of as well. Definatly spawn to bulk, its SOOO easy and SO worth it, i actually made a thread about how i had so much success with "mini-casing" tek with pf-tek spawning to compost/worm castings. My mini-casing fruited a week before the cakes, and the pinset was SO even, filling the tray. If i didnt decide to do a minicasing out of 2 of my 12 cakes, my flushes would have been WEAK!!!


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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #15749612 - 02/01/12 10:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If I were you OP I would look into grain 2 grain (G2G) transfers. Have a master grain jar, and when you want to start more jars simply taking a piece of colonized grain and place it in the sterile jar of grains and it will work just as good and it's alot easier to tell if your master grain jar is contaminated or not, where as it can be really hard to tell if an LC is contaminated or not.

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #15749614 - 02/01/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I think I saw that... I agree... the cake thing is for the birds... good for starting and testing interest...  unless you are just trying to make some extra cash or something and don't really care about the overall "Hobby" of it...

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: The Influence]
    #15749628 - 02/01/12 10:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If I were you OP I would look into grain 2 grain (G2G) transfers. Have a master grain jar, and when you want to start more jars simply taking a piece of colonized grain and place it in the sterile jar of grains and it will work just as good and it's alot easier to tell if your master grain jar is contaminated or not, where as it can be really hard to tell if an LC is contaminated or not.




I've already done some of those ... I literally just broke two WBS jars up and distributed them to 10 other jars yesterday morning... shook, and already today I see bits of white again... did the same thing with my Rye as well, but they are not showing any recovery yet, but I'll be curious to see how they look tomorrow... I'm pretty stoked about these methods/teks... I don't think I'll ever need to deal with spores again??? One can hope...lol Considering the way most have to get them...

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15749635 - 02/01/12 10:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, I think I saw that... I agree... the cake thing is for the birds... good for starting and testing interest...  unless you are just trying to make some extra cash or something and don't really care about the overall "Hobby" of it...



Ah don't knock cakes so quickly. They will produce more fruits faster per lb of substrate, less likely to contaminate, and are cheaper to produce. I'm not saying that other methods should not be explored, but as you are a noob I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. But to each their own.
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If I were you OP I would look into grain 2 grain (G2G) transfers. Have a master grain jar, and when you want to start more jars simply taking a piece of colonized grain and place it in the sterile jar of grains and it will work just as good and it's alot easier to tell if your master grain jar is contaminated or not, where as it can be really hard to tell if an LC is contaminated or not.




I've already done some of those two... I literally just broke two WBS jars up and distributed them to 10 other jars... shook, and already today I see bits of white again... did the same thing with my Rye as well, but they are not quite as fast... I'm pretty stoked about these methods... I don't think I'll ever need to deal with spores again??? One can hope...lol Considering the way most have to get them...



Oh eventually you will most likely have to start from spores again. Just like every living cell, mycelium cells can only reproduce so many times before senescence kicks in.

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15749652 - 02/01/12 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If I were you OP I would look into grain 2 grain (G2G) transfers. Have a master grain jar, and when you want to start more jars simply taking a piece of colonized grain and place it in the sterile jar of grains and it will work just as good and it's alot easier to tell if your master grain jar is contaminated or not, where as it can be really hard to tell if an LC is contaminated or not.




I've already done some of those ... I literally just broke two WBS jars up and distributed them to 10 other jars yesterday morning... shook, and already today I see bits of white again... did the same thing with my Rye as well, but they are not showing any recovery yet, but I'll be curious to see how they look tomorrow... I'm pretty stoked about these methods/teks... I don't think I'll ever need to deal with spores again??? One can hope...lol Considering the way most have to get them...




Yes you will still need to work with spores eventually, however, doing G2G transfers makes just a few spores go a LONG way!!!


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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: The Influence]
    #15749671 - 02/01/12 10:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I hear ya on that... but for the amount that I plan on cultivating... the gaps between having to re-up on spores should be great......

The cake thing I knock because it only employs the very basic mandatory minimum it takes to yield fruit... It is efficient, and does work well... very well if you get it right in the fruiting stage... but using substrate and other teks adds a different element to the entire process... it adds a level of experimentation that the PF-TEK does not...

If someone is out to try and make a little (Or a lot) of extra cash, PF-TEK seems to be the ticket... maybe thats why I also am not all that keen on it... because that is not my intention...?

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15749678 - 02/01/12 10:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's like it's almost too easy... only through overcoming great challenge do you experience true success and satisfaction... that's how I was raised anyway...

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15749685 - 02/01/12 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would say bulk would give you more bang for your buck when you consider time, money, space, work, etc.... if you're trying to grow more than a personal amount. But with bulk you also put more eggs in one basket so if it contaminates you have more to lose. Which is why PF-Tek is better for beginners.


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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: Wing]
    #15749926 - 02/01/12 11:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Don't get me wrong OP, any method which gets your motor running should be the one to take. This is a hobby and should be pursued by the individual any which way they see fit. Just pointing out cakes have their place.

Space wise though cakes would not be the route a grower trying sell would take. While cakes produce more per lb of substrate the space they take up to fruit is great compared to a single monotub that can flush a couple ounces at once. So most growers growing for sales use anything but the PF-tek.

But like I said, this is a hobby so have at it any which way you want. I know what you mean not sticking to the easiest way. I want to travel to florida, get a wild cube print and domesticate it all by myself :awesomenod: Also if your looking for a challenge, look into edibles. Some can pose quite the challenge.

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: Wing]
    #15749974 - 02/01/12 11:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I would say bulk would give you more bang for your buck when you consider time, money, space, work, etc.... if you're trying to grow more than a personal amount. But with bulk you also put more eggs in one basket so if it contaminates you have more to lose. Which is why PF-Tek is better for beginners.



It doesn't have to be that way. If you have 8 quarts you can always make into 2 trays or 4 trays and still get very good if not the same results.


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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: The Influence]
    #15749979 - 02/01/12 11:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong OP, any method which gets your motor running should be the one to take. This is a hobby and should be pursued by the individual any which way they see fit. Just pointing out cakes have their place.

Space wise though cakes would not be the route a grower trying sell would take. While cakes produce more per lb of substrate the space they take up to fruit is great compared to a single monotub that can flush a couple ounces at once. So most growers growing for sales use anything but the PF-tek.

But like I said, this is a hobby so have at it any which way you want. I know what you mean not sticking to the easiest way. I want to travel to florida, get a wild cube print and domesticate it all by myself :awesomenod: Also if your looking for a challenge, look into edibles. Some can pose quite the challenge.





That is my next step... edibles... I haven't looked much into it at all except for the spore syringes I've seen and "almost" bought... but I have lots of friends that are into the edibles (Ironically, I don't eat mushrooms that don't return the favor...)... so I will be back nagging for rookie insight when that time comes...lol

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15749992 - 02/01/12 11:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong OP, any method which gets your motor running should be the one to take. This is a hobby and should be pursued by the individual any which way they see fit. Just pointing out cakes have their place.

Space wise though cakes would not be the route a grower trying sell would take. While cakes produce more per lb of substrate the space they take up to fruit is great compared to a single monotub that can flush a couple ounces at once. So most growers growing for sales use anything but the PF-tek.

But like I said, this is a hobby so have at it any which way you want. I know what you mean not sticking to the easiest way. I want to travel to florida, get a wild cube print and domesticate it all by myself :awesomenod: Also if your looking for a challenge, look into edibles. Some can pose quite the challenge.





That is my next step... edibles... I haven't looked much into it at all except for the spore syringes I've seen and "almost" bought... but I have lots of friends that are into the edibles (Ironically, I don't eat mushrooms that don't return the favor...)... so I will be back nagging for rookie insight when that time comes...lol





My fruiting chamber holds three "trays" (Cake Baking pans (9x13x2)... so if one goes bad, I still have 2/3 my grow left.... and am trying to stagger my grows so even if that happens, I should have another "tray" ready to go in even if that happens....

Awe yes indeed it's funtime funtime.... :smile:

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15750016 - 02/02/12 12:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you don't eat mushrooms for the taste maybe check out medicinal for example reishi or shitake :shrug: Either way man the possibilities are pretty much endless :awesomenod:

Have you looked into agar yet?

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15750023 - 02/02/12 12:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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But recently started messing around with LC... and honestly... I should have just started with this method of germination.... So much easier... and so much easier to keep contam free.




While LC is convenient has hell. Eventually it will bite you in the ass. It sucks to have a whole grow get contaminated due to funky LC.

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15750175 - 02/02/12 01:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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But recently started messing around with LC... and honestly... I should have just started with this method of germination.... So much easier... and so much easier to keep contam free.




While LC is convenient has hell. Eventually it will bite you in the ass. It sucks to have a whole grow get contaminated due to funky LC.




Well, I will colonize a BRF jar with the culture to make sure it is good before I do anything bulk... with any of the LC... that should minimize wasted times to contam...?

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15750178 - 02/02/12 01:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you don't eat mushrooms for the taste maybe check out medicinal for example reishi or shitake :shrug: Either way man the possibilities are pretty much endless :awesomenod:

Have you looked into agar yet?




No agar yet... but I see it on the horizon... once I get a few fruits under my belt I'll prob go that route... seems to be all the rage...lol

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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: Kizzle]
    #15755470 - 02/03/12 11:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I would say bulk would give you more bang for your buck when you consider time, money, space, work, etc.... if you're trying to grow more than a personal amount. But with bulk you also put more eggs in one basket so if it contaminates you have more to lose. Which is why PF-Tek is better for beginners.



It doesn't have to be that way. If you have 8 quarts you can always make into 2 trays or 4 trays and still get very good if not the same results.




Trays are bulk.


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Re: noob moment of clarity... [Re: Wing]
    #15755527 - 02/03/12 11:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, what I mean if you separate them into smaller trays instead say a single monotub and run into contamination you don't have throw it all out, just the bad tray.


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