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Sma
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Fanning Question
#15754328 - 02/03/12 12:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I'm a little confused about the misting/fanning process during fruiting.
From what I've read, you're supposed to mist first, and fan afterwards, to make water evaporate off of the cakes and trigger pinning. I've even seen someone say that you're supposed to fan the cakes "dry".
What confuses me is how humidity is supposed to be maintained in the fruiting chamber if all the water is fanned away immediately after fanning. If you fan the cakes dry wouldn't you need to mist them again immediately afterwards, initiating some kind of never ending cycle?
Can anybody explain this to me?
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: Sma]
#15754353 - 02/03/12 12:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Misting just replenishes moisture on the cakes. It has nothing to do with humidity. Leaving pins wet after misting with no air exchange causes aborts. Humidity comes from the perlite when air passes through the holes on the bottom through the perlite while being humidified along the way, then into the terrarium
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Sma
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: blackhawk]
#15754389 - 02/03/12 12:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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blackhawk said: Misting just replenishes moisture on the cakes. It has nothing to do with humidity. Leaving pins wet after misting with no air exchange causes aborts. Humidity comes from the perlite when air passes through the holes on the bottom through the perlite while being humidified along the way, then into the terrarium
Does misting re-moisten the perlite then? How does it maintain humidity throughout the whole fruiting process?
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: blackhawk]
#15754394 - 02/03/12 12:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok dude, misting is just to keep the moisture on the cakes and keep them hydrated. The humidity is based on the perlite or water you put under the cakes, that is what is evaporating giving humidity to the fruiting chamber. The fanning is to give them fresh are exchange they need to breath as we do, if they are missing air they will stop growing so you gotta give them enough FAE and misting so they grow good and healthy. Fanning = 3 times a day at least! i go for 6 Misting = 2-3 times a day
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I get that the perlite is what controls the humidity and the misting is just to hydrate the cakes, I just don't understand how the perlite can maintain a constant humidity in the tank for like a month at a time if the water is constantly evaporating
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: Sma]
#15754425 - 02/03/12 01:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah well, before putting the perlite in the fruiting chamber you have to get it wet like completely under the water until is uniformly wet you wait a second to drill the extra water and put it in the fruiting chamber, you have to have minimum 5 cm deep of perlite, and well that would bring humidity for a long time, and plus you are misting so thats an extra for the perlite
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luisfer420 said: and plus you are misting so thats an extra for the perlite
Alright that's what I was wondering, thanks.
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: Sma]
#15754447 - 02/03/12 01:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah man, good luck!! one thing, if you fan them a lot they water will evaporate faster.. so here is a trick every time you mist, what i do is mist the walls of the fruiting chamber, so i can tell when they start to get dry, you will see, i mist directly to the walls so its good wet and give the exact time for when the moisture is out on the cakes!! peace
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: Sma]
#15754451 - 02/03/12 01:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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A similar question, I hope you don't mind me posting here Sma.
What should be done first: the misting or the fanning?
Thanks.
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: Sma]
#15754455 - 02/03/12 01:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about when pins are starting? I heard your not suppose to mist when pins start but, Up until pins is fine? How big are they before there not a pin any more and won't abort easily?
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: durnas]
#15754459 - 02/03/12 01:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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durnas said: A similar question, I hope you don't mind me posting here Sma.
What should be done first: the misting or the fanning?
Thanks.
No worries. I believe you're supposed to mist first and fan after, to cause evaporation off the surface of the cakes and trigger pinning
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: slayer777]
#15754463 - 02/03/12 01:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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slayer777 said: What about when pins are starting? I heard your not suppose to mist when pins start but, Up until pins is fine? How big are they before there not a pin any more and won't abort easily?
It's my understanding that you're supposed to mist throughout the entire fruiting process. The moisture shouldn't cause the pins to abort, you can dunk cakes that are pinning and they'll still fruit.
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: slayer777]
#15754468 - 02/03/12 01:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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durnas said: A similar question, I hope you don't mind me posting here Sma.
What should be done first: the misting or the fanning?
Thanks.
Mist then fanQuote:
slayer777 said: What about when pins are starting? I heard your not suppose to mist when pins start but, Up until pins is fine? How big are they before there not a pin any more and won't abort easily?
I thought this was only for Pan Cyans
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: Sma]
#15754482 - 02/03/12 01:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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what i do, is lift the top give it 2 seconds fanning, to take out the CO2 its in there, you can even smell it, then give it a good mist, i leave it open for like 5 minutes, then fan for 30 seconds and close it again.
And when they are pins, you still mist, but with trick, you gotta push fast and hard the thingy you mist with (i guess everyone mist with the same thing) the purpose is to give it a really light water coming to them, not hard heavy drops, if you do it like this you can mist the same number of times of now but differently, this way they wont abort
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Thanks everyone for replying so quick. Another question, maybe a bit dumb, but her it goes. How many times do you mist in terms of pushing the thingy? How wet are the cakes supposed to be?
Cheers for answering!
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: durnas]
#15754959 - 02/03/12 07:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hes durnas, I was wondering the exact same thing....how much does one mist especially (here's what's different) when you're fruiting the cakes inside the jars instead of birthing them? The extra verm layer seems to give extra moisture protection, but one doesn't want to over or under water. what to do??
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: vildornie]
#15755092 - 02/03/12 09:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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in my 106qt tub, I do 50-100 sprays each time(depending on the humidity) and then I fan until the cakes have no water droplets(usually about 100 times. If those jars are in an F/C just don't worry about it, but if you have a ziplock bag over the jar or something, only mist about 3 sprays at a time
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: SomeGuy]
#15755271 - 02/03/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks SomeGuy! My friend has all the 1/2 pint jars in a plastic opaque storage tub with a crap ton of holes in it. so he doesn't cover the jars with plastic bags, and gives maybe three squirts per jar twice a day then does maybe 100 fan motions after that. Is that enough? or too much? Thanks again, it def puts him in the right direction.
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: vildornie]
#15755298 - 02/03/12 10:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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too much, if he has them in the F/C he should just spray it and NOT the jars. you know, the fan pattern like spray painting the inside of the f/c, go for an even coat. the size of the thing determines how many sprays. treat the jars just like cakes. My opinion
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Re: Fanning Question [Re: SomeGuy]
#15755670 - 02/03/12 11:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey SomeGuy,What Species of mushroom is that in your sig?
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