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Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower)
    #15750485 - 02/02/12 04:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just want to make sure I'm not missing something.

I inoculated 6 mad season bags yesterday and have them in a well ventilated corner of my room behind a blanket wall (varies between 65-75F), so it's pretty dim in there but some indirect light off and on randomly, I plan to keep it that way until 40% colonization then I'll mix up the bags.

After full colonization I'll turn my fluros on to try to induce pinning, I have a 2 foot 4500k fluro hanging  about a foot to the right, and I'll be getting a 2 foot 6500k to hang off to the left.

After I see the first pinning start to form I'll open the bags a few times daily and air them out, maybe leaving them open for 15 minutes with a fan blowing on them and check the moisture and mist if needed then re-seal to keep the humidity high.

After the first flush and harvest I'll take all the blocks of substrate out of the bags and let them sit under room temperature water for the night, putting something on top of them to keep them under water, then I'll take them out and let the excess water drip off and pat dry and put back in the bags and re-seal and repeat for another couple more flushes.

Does this sound right? Anything I should change up? Thanks, sorry about the long read, tried to be descriptive as possible.

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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: deadmeadow]
    #15750510 - 02/02/12 05:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you have the time and patience, i'd reccommend multiplying your yields by spawning those to bulk once they're fully colonized.


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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: shamanamba]
    #15750513 - 02/02/12 05:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How do you do that? You just break and flatten the substrate up into a plastic case and throw some vermiculite and perlite on top right? (Idk lol) Is there a tutorial?

Edit: I found this tutorial.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14995972

But the problem is I don't have a PC, is there a different way which wouldn't require this? This is my first grow and I really don't want to mess it up, and this sounds like it would be an extra risk, granted the difference in yield tempts me. Just, the reason I went with madbags for a first grow is because they are pre-sterilized.

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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: deadmeadow]
    #15750545 - 02/02/12 05:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There are many things you can use as a bulk substrate. Coco coir would be the most popular because it's cheap, widely available, and very resistant to contamination. There are many teks throughout these forums on how to prepare coir so I'll only cover a few key details I find useful about bulk substrates.

first of all, when you inoculate from spores, sterility is required.

When you're mixing already colonized spawn into bulk substrate, you don't need to be so clean about it. General cleanliness is reccommended, but you don't have to be completely sterile about it.

second, bulk substrates don't need to be sterilized, but they must be pasteurized. The difference is temperature and time frame. Pasteurization takes place in a covered pot of water, heated to around 140 degrees F for about 4 hours. You can raise the temperature up to 160 degrees F and reduce the time frame to 3 hours. The idea of pasteurization is that it kills off contaminant spores while leaving behind beneficial bacteria which will work along side your developing mushroom mycelium and help fight off other contaminates.

Most new growers don't realize just how much potential is in a colonized bag or PF tek jar. Both can be crumbled up and mixed with bulk substrate to multiply the total amount of mushrooms produced.

There's a lot to go over and I'd love to explain it all, but you may do better to search the forums and learn you can while your bags are colonizing.

A very good place to start would be damion's 50/50+ coir tek!


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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: shamanamba]
    #15750550 - 02/02/12 05:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

that tutorial requires a pc for sterilizing the pf jars. you have bags which are already colonizing, so you're already past the need for a pressure cooker. all you need to pasteurize is a pot, some water and a thermometer.



-EDIT- just skimmed over it at fist and assumed the PC was for PF jars. but you really don't need to sterilize for bulk substrates.


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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: shamanamba]
    #15750560 - 02/02/12 05:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Good stuff thanks a lot! Would rate but don't have enough posts (yet) :smile: Have a feeling I'll be around here for a good while.

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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: deadmeadow]
    #15750573 - 02/02/12 05:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:murray:


Welcome to the club, buddy! looking forward to reading your future success stories! My first few grows were only PF tek jars, and I still have a few jars going on most of the time, just to keep things going between bulk grows. But once I started doing bulk, I just couldn't beleive how easy it was to produce so many mushrooms so quickly!


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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: shamanamba]
    #15750604 - 02/02/12 06:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ok I just gave that tutorial a better read and yes, he's got a sound method there. I'm not going to bash on Icesyn. He's proven his medal here many times for knowing his stuff. There's just a couple things I noticed.

Yes, he sterilized his bulk substrate and it worked for him, but he could have done just as well and had less worry of contamination with pasteruization.

He used metal trays. While that also works most of the time, it has been generally discouraged because mycelium metabolites will break down most metals very quickly.

Aside from that, it seems pretty good. I'm just saying that I, personally, would have pasteruized and used plastic trays or tubs instead of aluminum/tin.

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Re: Quick run-through of my plan, this sound right? (first time grower) [Re: shamanamba]
    #15750628 - 02/02/12 06:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I'm not sure, I'm diggin' that Damion5050 tek though, the simplicity. One thing I'm thinking though is the 6 bags I have I "think" are 1 qt. not 100%, Damion recommends 5qts of spawn for one tub..

Id kind of hate to just do one tub if I could do two tubs with just 3qts of spawn per and yield a crap ton more with just a little bit more colonizing time! However.. I'm worried it could contam by then if I did that.
Would I be better off doing it that way you think, or do two tubs but just cut down on the coir, verm and water in the same ratio?

Or I mean I could just do the 5 qt. and try out the other bag invitro and see how it does..

Haha, but really I'm probably thinking too far ahead, for all I know all my bags will contam! -knocks on wood-

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