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1st time: What species for ease/potency?
    #15742778 - 01/31/12 01:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is my first time, I was planning on doing 10 BRF cakes in a SGFC. I have everything except my spores and extra syringes.

I have been planning on growing some variety of cubensis but I just feel like I hear so much negativity towards them. I enjoy taking 2-3 grams per experience, but I do not know what species I have taken before. <-- What variety do you suggest for my setup and enjoyability? I would prefer larger harvests as well, but that's not as important.

My last question is about needles/syringes. When I am printing and collecting my spores, does the needle size matter? I have access to ~22-23 gauge needles. How many CC's should I fill the syringe?
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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: magicMerlin]
    #15742827 - 01/31/12 01:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

For ease of cultivation you should definitely go with a cubensis variety.  I would do some research in the Strain Discussion Section to decide on your strain, but most cubensis strains have the same potency and relative ease of cultivation.

As for your needles, those will probably work fine for spore syringes. You would need a lower grade needer (larger diameter) to works with LCs.


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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: Forager]
    #15742875 - 01/31/12 01:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think I have decided on PC Pink Buffalo from Ralphsters. What are LCs? I'm just going to buy some 18g 1.5" while I'm here.


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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: magicMerlin]
    #15742931 - 01/31/12 02:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Those needles will be a good choice.  LCs are basically a suspension of myclium in  a liquid.  You can then suck up a bunch of mycelium in liqid and inject it into a grain jar or whatever you are inoculating.  Some people love them (myself included) and others think they're a waste of time.  Start with spore syringes and move your way up to LC when you think you're ready.


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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: Forager]
    #15742973 - 01/31/12 02:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would definitely agree with Forager that cubensis are easier to cultivate. From personal experience I have found that 'brasil' is quite a forgiving strain as are 'F+' and 'Equador.' Buying a syringe is easier for beginners as it offers a lesser chance of contamination than when making your own from a spore print.


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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: chen]
    #15746602 - 02/01/12 09:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I ended up purchasing some Koh Samui Super Strain from T.H.E. It sounded nice and they were one of the only distributors to accept card AND ship to a PO box.

Unfortunetly I wasn't able to purchase my syringes there. My buddy is a hemophiliac and has a variety of needles. The closest he has to an 18g is 19g; is that a problem? (also I think he only has 100cc syringes [fucking huge], does that matter as long as I keep them in the 10cc range?


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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: magicMerlin]
    #15746614 - 02/01/12 10:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You guys are being realllly helpful so maybe I can slip another noobie question in here.

So I purchased 10cc's to start. I am doing 10 jars so I plan to use it all. I obviously want to keep trying this and improving my craft after the 10 cakes are done. I'm not 100% on the process of printing and making your own syringe <-- Are there a few good links to this?

Should I make a print from a mushroom grown on a 1st flush? towards the end of the cakes life? How exactly should I?

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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: magicMerlin]
    #15746808 - 02/01/12 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ive grown KHSS and I've not really liked it all that much.  For either yield or potency  i did not like them on on my MS grows except one and that was the one time it didnt show its normal characteristics.  All the others i got 100s of pins but 80% aborted (i mean you dont see the substrate only pins.  I thought they were going to be great flushes then they all aborted and a select few matured _ Prolly my fault)  But due to this i gave up and moved on from it.

Normally people say go with the classics like B+ just cause they are easy to grow (its what i started on)  Now however, I suggest brazil for a beginner.  It grows much like B+ but i find the yields to be better and stronger potency but thats from my experience.  Right now I've been growing, PB, Brazil, and Creeper.

Out of those 3 i have to rate it from best to worst (From my experience)

Pink Buffalo - this one is top although I've only ate an 1/8th of it.  The visuals where different is all i gotta say - in a good way though.  The feel it gave was playful fun and exciting made me feel like a kid again.

Creeper - This one is a close 2nd and i mean close.  It was a very in control trip from controlling visuals to emotions at higher doses the control is still there but easily lost.  Very strong trip.  Its the preferred of many of my friends. As for Yields very good producer.

Brazil - I picked this one to replace the b+ strain was growing.  Its potency was a little bit stronger but the yields blew away the b+.  It felt more warm and comforting of a trip then the B+ all while lasting longer.


I say read this about strains:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10560039/fpart/1

It's very informative. 


As for your idea of using your whole syringe on 10 jars I personally would say make 8 pf jars and 2 LC (Liquid culture) out of it.  Reason for 2 is in case you get a contam in your LC if all goes well you will just have 2 good LC.  But after making the LC you can use that to knock up your jars and it will speed things a lot. 

LC links:
Karo: ( i link to this one but i suggest if can not using microwave instead mix it as said in a jar and Pressure cook it for 10 minutes at 15psi.)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2321056

Turbinado Sugar:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6380056#6380056

LC are a nice way to extend your syringes.  Heck I save my syringes and just use LC.  Another suggestion would be to make 1-2 LC before doing any jars (read  as much as you can while you wait) then just use your LC.  This has its downsides (wont know if the LC is good till you use it on jars) but the upsides i feel out weigh them (1cc of spore solution now can make 10-100x the jars.)

I kinda just went on a ran but hope it helps you.

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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: zepski]
    #15747338 - 02/01/12 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thats weird, B+ has always been my biggest yielder.

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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
    #15749793 - 02/01/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, I did some reading about Karo LCs today to give myself a better understanding.. I think I got the idea, but I heard that they are easy to screw up. A post by rogerrabbit said that you'd be better off making prints.

Can I reuse needles and syringes as long as they are sterilized properly between uses?


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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: magicMerlin]
    #15749857 - 02/01/12 11:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes you can reuse them. 


The only reason a LC is risky is cause you can let it grow out and never know till you shoot up jars if its good.  Then however many jars you shoot up are wasted.  But to each their own.  I think its cause I've yet to run into an issue with a LC *knock on wood*

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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: magicMerlin]
    #15749887 - 02/01/12 11:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've tried three different strains so far, Albino A+, Penis Envy and Amazonian. So far the Amazonian has proven to be the best for both speed and quality of growth.(They flushed three times in the time it took the penis envy to show any signs of pinning).

As far as printing goes I cut a square of aluminum foil and place it on top of a clean dish towel, grab the largest mushroom from the first flush and carefully cut the stem off as close to the cap as I can get it. Then put the cap gills down on the foil and place a drinking glass on top to keep anything from getting in. I let it sit for about 24 hours and then put the print in a container in my fridge. I would make more than one just to be on the safe side as it can save you from having to purchase another syringe. Since you have already bought a strain if you can get a decent print off of your spores Ill happily trade you an amazonian for it. Good luck hope it all works out for you.

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Re: 1st time: What species for ease/potency? [Re: xStyphonx]
    #15752173 - 02/02/12 03:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's awesome. I think honestly I'll make an LC and then also try and print some spores. <-- To see which method I like better, and which works better for my setup.

I would love to trade in the future, I'm really excited about the whole project and this community as well. Awaiting my spores right now but feel free to send me a message later on.


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