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Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? * 1
    #15744932 - 01/31/12 10:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Making LC solution... and one of the teks says to boil the water first... is that necessary if it's going to be PC'd anyway?

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15744982 - 01/31/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I do not believe that it is necessary.


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15744988 - 01/31/12 10:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see why you would need to boil it first. However, using warm/hot water will make the sugar dissolve better so you don't end up with a saturated solution which results in sugar forming at the bottom.

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: migraineur]
    #15745094 - 01/31/12 10:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Great... so the warmer I can add my ingredients the better? (Im using Malt and dextrose).

Also, should your LC be exposed to light? The particular tek I'm reading says to use a incubator... but everywhere else I read light is not bad when on a cycle.

I'd like to keep my LCs with the rest of my jars if possible...

Thanks again for the advice...

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745130 - 01/31/12 10:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Your lc shouldn't be so rich that it would matter if you add it hot or cold. Light is fine, I keep my lcs on a separate shelf but in the same conditions as my jars.

As for boiling and pcing? I've never done it, and depending on what kind of lc you have that much heat can make it clump up in the water.


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: BargainBab]
    #15745303 - 01/31/12 11:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Your lc shouldn't be so rich that it would matter if you add it hot or cold. Light is fine, I keep my lcs on a separate shelf but in the same conditions as my jars.

As for boiling and pcing? I've never done it, and depending on what kind of lc you have that much heat can make it clump up in the water.



any particular reason why you keep them separate?
I keep my fully colonized LC's in a brown bag in the fridge, but my colonizing LC's on the same shelf as my jars.

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: Swwert]
    #15745353 - 01/31/12 11:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you boil the water so the dextrose/malt dissolve completely and dont leave chunks floating around in the water.

Id leave out the dextrose cus its just a sugar and doesnt boost myc much in LCs :2cents:

that and having your myc start on/in a sugary environment then inocing grains etc.  (low sugar content) can put your myc into anaphylactic shock of sorts and slow recovery times on the new food source :smirk:

not saying it happens all the time but if your inoc doesnt take/start colonizing start with that remedy :super:

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: Swwert]
    #15745363 - 01/31/12 11:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Your lc shouldn't be so rich that it would matter if you add it hot or cold. Light is fine, I keep my lcs on a separate shelf but in the same conditions as my jars.

As for boiling and pcing? I've never done it, and depending on what kind of lc you have that much heat can make it clump up in the water.



any particular reason why you keep them separate?
I keep my fully colonized LC's in a brown bag in the fridge, but my colonizing LC's on the same shelf as my jars.

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Just for space, and I only end up opening the glc cabinet every once in a while.


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: BargainBab] * 1
    #15745444 - 02/01/12 12:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Bargain bab is right about it not being rich enough. You only need a tiny amount of sugar for the solution.

I've never boiled my jar before pressure cooking. I store my lc in a cupboard with my grain jars whilst it is colonising and then I put it in the fridge to preserve it for later use.

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: migraineur]
    #15745565 - 02/01/12 12:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm using a teaspoon and a half, of dextrose, and malt (3 tea spoons total), to 32 ounces of water.... is that about right?

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745571 - 02/01/12 12:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #15745636 - 02/01/12 01:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I hadn't seen that tek yet... the ratios used are a bit different than what I've read elsewhere (And here as well). Anyone had any success with this tek?

Thanks for that link though... I am definitely going to try it...

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745711 - 02/01/12 01:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know if this has been said yet and I am too lazy to look, but I believe the process of boiling is intended to help "combine" the ingredients used. Mix everything together better. I'm sure you could just stir, but I cook food for a living and I know that heat helps to keep ingredients from separating for longer. Hope that helps!


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745727 - 02/01/12 01:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

One more question....

Everything I read says 8-12 hours before you innoc... some say 24 hours? What is the purpose of that? Is it just to get them to room temp? Boiling water will get down to room temp (Unsure of the actual temperature, but the same as a bottle of water sitting out on the table over night anyway), in about 5 hours MAX... (Ambient room temp of about 70*)...

Is there another reason for such the long duration?

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745762 - 02/01/12 02:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

People say that simply to be safe.
Mycellium, spore, etc, will die at I believe 108F
If you get the innards of your jar below 100F you are ready to inoculate. I usually PC right before I go to sleep, then inoculate about 8 hrs later when I wake up.


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: ganjfather]
    #15745776 - 02/01/12 02:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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People say that simply to be safe.
Mycellium, spore, etc, will die at I believe 108F
If you get the innards of your jar below 100F you are ready to inoculate. I usually PC right before I go to sleep, then inoculate about 8 hrs later when I wake up.




This is what I typically do as well... thats what I figured... but just wanted to clarify before I went ahead and potentially wasted some materials...lol

Thanks again for the direction/responses thus far...

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745784 - 02/01/12 02:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How about this.... Sealed or unsealed LC jars? I've seen teks for both... since what is happening is under water already for the most part... I would think sealed would be fine? (With the exception of de-pressurizing to inoc.... and again when extracting ?

Or should I use a filter and employ FEA of some kind...?

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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15745790 - 02/01/12 02:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You need some sort of GE for your LC's. I have tried the basic RTV silicon as an inoculation point with no holes for GE. It has never worked for me, nothing happened. When adding a hole and using Polyfil as a filter, much success is achieved. That is my experience. I know for a fact that GE will speed up things, but it does make shaking your LC's more difficult. I wrap my LCs in very tight tin foil when they need to shake, though, the poly fil will get some liquid on it, but it is worth it, from my experience.


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: ganjfather]
    #15745792 - 02/01/12 02:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Also, I tend to only fill my LC's up about half way so I can lightly shake them and not get much liquid on my poly


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Re: Any reason to boil if your gunna PC anyway? [Re: dammdoggs]
    #15746054 - 02/01/12 05:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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How about this.... Sealed or unsealed LC jars? I've seen teks for both... since what is happening is under water already for the most part... I would think sealed would be fine? (With the exception of de-pressurizing to inoc.... and again when extracting ?

Or should I use a filter and employ FEA of some kind...?





sealed or not sealed depends on the air left in the container, if you have alot of airspace inside of a sealed LC your fine, if you have a full LC then GE is needed.

and yes extractions are a pain on sealed LCs.


look up the baby bottle tek for an example :thumbup:


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