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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15065906 - 09/12/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I should add that when i said "the main reason for prohibition..." I actually meant the continued existence of prohibition. There are also a great many investments that have been put in to the status quo, too many people who benefit from the way things are as far as those who has the ability to directly influence such things, and a lot of resources poured into defending, upholding, and maintaining the laws. Reputations at stake..all kinds of bullshit reasons, a few sincere beliefs in the way things are, and a lot of resistance to change.




yes,also if you look at the prison system currently, it is shifting to being privatized. imo, this a very bad thing because it is then basically ran as a for-profit business. and what would be bad for that business? legalization of drugs, since over half of the people in prison in th u.s. are there for drugs. then in addition to that, the privately run prison system looks at rehabilitation programs as detrimental to their bottom line, since if they offer rehabilitation programs, there won't be as many "return customers".


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15065955 - 09/12/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was referring more to the social-political aspect. While you make a cogent point about privatized prisons running for profit etc., I don't entirely follow the connection between our posts? I would be a liar to call myself an expert on prison logistics, management, evolution and such, but I know a few things...So I cannot argue that the prison system is  not on the road to privatization, I've simply not done the research, but it is my understanding that the prison system is currently government controlled as far as the way they are conducted and handled, as well as the majority of the funds and such. It costs quite a bit of money to lock up the people convicted of petty drug crimes. Wouldn't this be counter-productive to "profiting"? Where does profit come into the detaining, feeding, and monitoring of individuals serving small time sentences?


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: cd56]
    #15066046 - 09/12/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I was referring more to the social-political aspect. While you make a cogent point about privatized prisons running for profit etc., I don't entirely follow the connection between our posts? I would be a liar to call myself an expert on prison logistics, management, evolution and such, but I know a few things...So I cannot argue that the prison system is  not on the road to privatization, I've simply not done the research, but it is my understanding that the prison system is currently government controlled as far as the way they are conducted and handled, as well as the majority of the funds and such. It costs quite a bit of money to lock up the people convicted of petty drug crimes. Wouldn't this be counter-productive to "profiting"? Where does profit come into the detaining, feeding, and monitoring of individuals serving small time sentences?[/quote

many states have started contracting with private companies not only to build and maintain prisons, but to also design them. the design of choice seems to be the super max prison, which most psychologist have deemed detrimental to the prisoners longer term health. in a super max, the prisoners are baically warehoused. let out of their cells one hour a day. one 15 minute shower a week. no window. not facing any other cells. this leads inevitably to psychosis, and the prisoner has long term damage from the imprisonment. when they get out, they are VERY paranoid, since their system is just suddenly bombarded with stimuli. most can't handle that and end up with a very high recitivism rate. my point is, it is going from what was once a not for profit state run facility, to a privately owned, for profit contractor. this is very dangerous since the privately owned company will almost surely get more contracts as they keep deigning and building more prisons. the more people that get sentenced to prison, the more money they  have to make. this not only gives them a powerful lobby for their own interests but as in legal interests too, since the more authoritarian the gov't is, the more dough they are going to make.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? (moved) [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15066172 - 09/12/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

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Belongs here as the Psychedelic Experience isn't the place to discuss drug law reform.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15078950 - 09/14/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes!


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Han Jeremy]
    #15232836 - 10/16/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think a simple way to look at it is this: The law should only be concerned with protecting against infringements upon liberty. You can do whatever the hell you like, so long as you do no direct intentional harm to others. Somehow the rights of folk to not be offended seem to carry a lot of weight. It should be our duty to not take offense... otherwise you may as well wave goodbye to the free world.

1. drug law reform has been proven succesful.
2. fears of pontential social decay have been proven unwarranted.
3. drugs arent really anything to be worried about. Its people who destroy lives.
4. the case against prohibition is broad and backed up by evidence and expert advice.
5. the case against for prohibition is.... drugs are bad, mmmkay.

Seriously though, the case for prohibition is empty, ignorant of facts and seems to be propagated through widespread misinformation. Moreover, any reasonable evidence on this side ONLY serves as reasons not to do drugs. Rather than as evidence for why prohibition itself is necessary or well advised.

The evidence suggests that the bulk of recreational drugs are relatively harmless if used responcibly. Just like alcohol. This being said, you would think prohibition is still for the greater good, but on the contrary it is destructive and a terrible waste of resources. But nomatter how well the rational argument for reform stacks up, there is still a resistance from the ignorant. What is it?

What is it indeed.....

Is it because the lawmakers are themselves just... square? Jelous because they will never be a part of all that?

Is it fear of God? do the masses of brainwashed followers just think drugs are the tool of Satan?

Is it because the misinformation of the anti drug movement has ingrained such a negative stigma on drug use, to the point where it is politically impossible have a rational, evidence based point of view. To be fair, any politician that opposes the stubborn, hardline position, may as well just say they like to rape old ladies at the weekend.... does this make progress impossible?

Or is it something more sinister, beyond ignorance. Malevolence? Is it because drug money has more power than your average voter?

This issue bothers me way more than it should. Not because I want drugs to be legal. Not because I think prohibition is rediculous. But because it shouldnt even be an issue in the first place.

When I hear "smoking weed fries you brain cells" or "leeds to harder drugs".... may palm is securely plant on my forehead.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: Desert Elf]
    #15698320 - 01/21/12 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

No, I don't think all drugs should be legal.  I know what you mean, narcotic and pleasure seeking drugs - yes, all of them should be legal.  But antibiotic drugs and the like do pose a real public health hazard and should be regulated.


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Re: should all drugs be legalized? [Re: DieCommie]
    #15742202 - 01/31/12 10:59 AM (12 years, 3 hours ago)

The bottom line is that the drug war is a tool used by government to sepererate those who question their athourity from those who dont. It'a all about power, in particular playing god.

The government is saying: Surrender your mind and obey us for OUR PERSONAL GAIN, or choose to qustion us and WE WILL KILL YOU. If we CATCH YOU we will take your life away, render you almost useless to our society, do our best to force you into a crimainal caste by denial of benifits like student financial aid, blame drug XYZ for the problem WE, OURSELVES created, and use you as an example to intimidate others to obey us without question. Our goal is to make human life a COMMODITY asset that can be bought and sold. You are LIVESTCK!

Sounds like the US government wants to pretend to be the Biblical God by creating a Satanic garden of eden with the drugs as the forbidden fruit. It shall soon come to pass that the US governments and forced world policies are in vain, They are NOT GOD. Pride comes before a fall. That fall will come very soon.


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