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Mono Troubles.
    #15730902 - 01/28/12 07:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey peeps.

I have a question, I recently started a tribute project for "PF".

The project details:
Substrate: 30%Verm/30%Coir/30%HPoo/10%Gypsum
Tek/Style: Monotub
Spawn Ratio: 1:4
Spawn Grain: Organic Rye Berries
Species Used: "PF Classic" From the Prof's Personal Collection
Spawn Time:12 Days(To full colonization)
Elapsed Fruiting: 10 days
Total Time: 22 Days
Casing: NONE
Fruiting Parameters:
I have about 12 1/3" holes that I drilled out and lightly stuffed with poly-fil.
The RH fluctuates in the mid-to-upper 90's.
I fan every hour or two when I'm awake or around.
I mist 3 times daily("FINE" mist, not directly)
I have a light I have set on top for approx. 12 hours daily(CFL)

Question is, I haven't seen any fruits and I'm getting kind of worried, I'm no newb to the hobby. I just have never had it take this long before to pin. I also have never used a casing layer and get great results usually, I also have never used this species and can't find much info on it. Maybe someone can shed some light on this subject.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15731042 - 01/28/12 08:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

with mono's you dont want to be opening them up to fan or mist.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15731066 - 01/28/12 08:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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with mono's you dont want to be opening them up to fan or mist.




In the past, I always have. In fact I'm pretty sure most of the populous agrees that you should introduce quite a bit of FAE to any fruiting substrate.
 
  Even if that was the case, I don't see how either would be preventing the actual substrate from fruiting if it were fully colonized either way.

But, I am not myco-master so perhaps I may stand corrected.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15731118 - 01/28/12 08:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you should get plenty of fae thru your polyfill, that is if they arent stuffed too tight. I would wait a little over 2-3 weeks after fruiting to get worried. 10 days isnt too long.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15731194 - 01/28/12 08:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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you should get plenty of fae thru your polyfill, that is if they arent stuffed too tight. I would wait a little over 2-3 weeks after fruiting to get worried. 10 days isnt too long.




So 2-3 weeks is the max amount of time it should take for fruiting to occur? Its been a long time since I last tried my hand at the hobby, I just kind of did it as a tribute to the Professor. I just can't say I remember my tubs taking as long to fruit, but then again I have never worked with this strain either. Do you have personal experience with fruits taking longer than 10 days to appear?


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15731213 - 01/28/12 08:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you are using MS it could also be genetics.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15731318 - 01/28/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It is perfectly okay to fan and mist a mono, but most cultivators do it (fanning that is) around 3 times a day. That number is a generalization, its more of a rule of thumb kind of thing especially with the misting. Some monos don't need to be fanned depending on your set up. As for the fruting timing, as TH said it could be genetics especially when working with MS.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Selfindulgence]
    #15731393 - 01/28/12 09:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

evaporation is #1 pinning trigger....mist lightly 1 time a day ... fan heavy 2-3 times a day then  repeat, don't over mist ...you can't over fan....i never got pf classic to fruit ....1/3 holes??  should see pins in a week ...10 days,you should be close

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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15731568 - 01/28/12 10:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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evaporation is #1 pinning trigger....mist lightly 1 time a day ... fan heavy 2-3 times a day then  repeat, don't over mist ...you can't over fan....i never got pf classic to fruit ....1/3 holes??  should see pins in a week ...10 days,you should be close



 

What do you mean by you never got it to fruit? What kind of grow was it, was it something that could have been prevented?

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If you are using MS it could also be genetics.




I'm very doubtful of this. The culture is very strong as far as I can tell. Though it is MS, It came from some of Professor Fanaticus' own stock, from some of his best grows.

I don't know much about genetics, but it would seem highly unlikely that syringe from a viable grow would culture but not produce fruits..


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15731698 - 01/28/12 11:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Good list of stats on your tub.

I fan my monos all the time, but when I cant its cool cause they are monotubs.

I've had monos take up 3 weeks to get pins before, they'll come along.

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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #15731717 - 01/28/12 11:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i guess i cant say you dont need to fan and mist monos. like  stated above it really depends on your setup. If polyfill if stuffed light and you have good air movement in the room you generally dont need to fan much if any. and any time a sub looks dry a good misting is in order. I think it may mostly be b/c of MS personally.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #15731733 - 01/28/12 11:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would probably be getting worried too but it sounds like you're doing all you can. If you haven't noticed any odd smells or seen any odd growths I would just give it more time, maybe another week or even two.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #15731949 - 01/29/12 12:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I fan my monos all the time, but when I cant its cool cause they are monotubs.

I've had monos take up 3 weeks to get pins before, they'll come along.



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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Kizzle]
    #15732044 - 01/29/12 12:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I would probably be getting worried too but it sounds like you're doing all you can. If you haven't noticed any odd smells or seen any odd growths I would just give it more time, maybe another week or even two.



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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15732046 - 01/29/12 12:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So general census is I should just wait. Which I don't have a problem with I have patience, I'm just getting a bit worried because its taking a bit longer than usual. Please feel free to chime in with any other suggestions. I'll try to update if/when I get visual confirmation of any fruiting. Thanks Again.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15732068 - 01/29/12 01:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know how ya feel. I dropped some spores on 5 different petri dishes on the 14th. 3 i made some transfers from the other day since some mycelium finally grew enough. 2 of my dishes still just show a little black spec of spores... They just dont seem to want to germinate and colonize. MS can be VERY annoying at times.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15732088 - 01/29/12 01:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I know how ya feel. I dropped some spores on 5 different petri dishes on the 14th. 3 i made some transfers from the other day since some mycelium finally grew enough. 2 of my dishes still just show a little black spec of spores... They just dont seem to want to germinate and colonize. MS can be VERY annoying at times.





  Funny thing is I never have had any issue with MS grows, although I have never truly worked with a monoculture myself. I have worked with a close friend who went through the agar work to achieve a monoculture(before I ventured into mycology on my own), his total time was cut noticeably but fruits weren't much different. I also have never had a genetic spoil with any MS strain I've ever worked with thus far. It would really be a shame to see a tribute grow not fruit with the Professor's own strain. But, it would definitely encourage me to do a bit of agar work myself..


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15734689 - 01/29/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

*UPDATE*

Hey guys, I looked into the tub this evening whilst fanning. I did some up close observation of the top layer of the substrate and noticed thousands of little knots the size of the ball in a ballpoint pen. I believe at least 80% of these are hyphal knots. The reason I think this, is because a handful have turned into what seems to be primordia. These knots are slightly more dark in color on the tips. No 100% confirmed pinning. So, hopefully I'll have a nice pinset in the next 2 days.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15734702 - 01/29/12 05:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:highfive:


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15734953 - 01/29/12 06:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

*Update*

Hey guys heres some pics. Just wondering if I'm just seeing things. Anyone else see knotting?













Not the best photographer, but hopefully good enough.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15734982 - 01/29/12 06:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

next time make bigger holes. You may need to loosen some of the polyfill to allow more FAE.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #15735009 - 01/29/12 06:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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next time make bigger holes. You may need to loosen some of the polyfill to allow more FAE.





I actually removed 1/3 of the polyfil from the holes all together. I fan a lot too. So I would imagine I get a good deal of FAE throughout the day. Maybe a bit less through the night..

Do you see it too though?


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15735053 - 01/29/12 06:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yea you got pins..:bigyesnod:

Edited by penhed (01/29/12 06:49 PM)

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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: penhed]
    #15735061 - 01/29/12 06:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yea you got pins...i would pull the poly out or keep up on your fae
i use lots of big holes and still pull 1 hole for fruiting





Yea, I'm not sure if maybe these fruits will be considerably smaller than my other grows have been. But I'm sure its possible I just never looked at it close enough to have caught it in this stage..

I did remove the polyfill from about 5 out of 12 holes 1/3" wide.I thought of removing the rest, but just haven't really had the urge to. I fan pretty regular too.


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15735131 - 01/29/12 06:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I def see pins


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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Frontchasack]
    #15735279 - 01/29/12 07:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yea you got pins...i would pull the poly out or keep up on your fae
i use lots of big holes and still pull 1 hole for fruiting









Holy Shit Penhead you went to fucking town, want to divulge how much you got from those 17 tubs, fuck me!:reckon:

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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15735377 - 01/29/12 07:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i get 3-6zips per tub first flush ...so yea ...alot

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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: penhed]
    #15735414 - 01/29/12 08:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:mustnotfap:

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Re: Mono Troubles. [Re: Icesyn]
    #15762223 - 02/04/12 09:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

*UPDATE*

  Some pins have formed. But it seems like the growth process is not as fast as usual. Pins have been around for a few days. But no real noticeable growth. Any idea what exactly would be causing this tub to mature so slowly? I cut back quite a bit on misting, maybe I should start misting more. Also, I noticed that the tubs walls are almost completely dry, but it reads 90% humidity.. I fan often throughout the day, think that alone is enough?


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