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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Calling samadhi a different state
    #15730133 - 01/28/12 04:50 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

This is a rather wrong way to look at it. One sees there true nature, then they feel later, "I have to get back to that state!" But that state is right here and now. Samadhi is the only state.


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: White Beard]
    #15730484 - 01/28/12 06:12 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

true, it's always here...even still i have memories of times that I refer too as "samadhi" that were radically different from my present experience in terms of intensity. The self is here right now, but somehow paradoxically the mind can be more immersed in it at different times. but thanx to ur post I am concentrating on it more now :laugh:


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: g00ru]
    #15730503 - 01/28/12 06:15 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah, it's pretty funny. I experience something where I know "This is it! This moment right here!" Then later I'm thinking how do I get back to Now? Kind of funny when you consider it.


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: White Beard]
    #15730552 - 01/28/12 06:25 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

the question is: are we more here when we attain samadhi?


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: White Beard]
    #15730597 - 01/28/12 06:33 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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White Beard said:
Yeah, it's pretty funny. I experience something where I know "This is it! This moment right here!" Then later I'm thinking how do I get back to Now? Kind of funny when you consider it.




i mean, it's utterly paradoxical :rofl:


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: Luueschen]
    #15730657 - 01/28/12 06:46 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Luueschen said:
the question is: are we more here when we attain samadhi?




We'll we're always here. Where else could we be? :cool:


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: White Beard]
    #15731954 - 01/29/12 12:25 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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White Beard said:
This is a rather wrong way to look at it. One sees there true nature, then they feel later, "I have to get back to that state!" But that state is right here and now. Samadhi is the only state.




There ARE experiences of 'rising in the planes,' wherein one experiences the Astral Body in a projection, and the Causal Body, which is no body at all, but pure Identity without taint of personal identity as mind-body. Consciousness knows itself on more and more etherial and 'empty' (of memories, emotions, sensations) on these higher planes. We exist as all of these 'sheaths,' each one which is 'woven' out of the respective plane. The problem for all of us is that we are chronically identified with the denser 'sheaths' - our physical body, for one. Except for dreams, which we usually dismiss as internalized brain states, rather than dimensions of existence, our awareness of the Astral Plane/Body only occurs in those rare OOBEs (I've had one, and it was in 1972). The Causal Plane (if I am correct) was in Nirvakalpa Samadhi, or Patanjali's Asamprajnata Samadhi (again, once, in 1974). Perhaps, if we're fortunate, only a few different experiences are necessary per lifetime. The great Neoplatonist Plotinus had only three of these exalted experiences in his life.

Yes, it's all here & now, but our 'karmic predicament' disallows regular awareness of higher planes. For me, each of these experiences, and some telepathic ones, were sufficient "glitches in The Matrix" for me to reformulate my understanding of "how it all is" (as Ram Dass used to put it). So, if I decide to experiment with magick, or alchemy, it is because I have glimpsed a crack in the cause-effect nature of the physical Plane to more subtle planes, and want to see if if they can be manifest in the physical. In other words, by doing certain physical things, and assuming that each physical thing has, say, an astral correlate, can the Astral Plane be effected in such a way that the Physical Plane reflects that effect? Shoot, I don't know, I'm just experimenting. It's how I play.  :drugnerd:  :wizard:


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: White Beard]
    #15732438 - 01/29/12 04:41 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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White Beard said:
This is a rather wrong way to look at it. One sees there true nature, then they feel later, "I have to get back to that state!" But that state is right here and now. Samadhi is the only state.




Yeah, the same goes for 'altered states' for example meditating, or even taking psilocybin can be like coming home into the natural state rather than entering into an 'altered state'

Just observing, one can see that when things are clear this presence shines by itself, then it seems clouds come & cover it & it's lost, but all that's lost is attention has gone to a cloud, which brings along thicker cloud cover, and the only reason that happens is that attention has habitually gone to appearances for a long time

The more the mind is bathed in the waters of pure awareness the more those habits will be broken & the mind will rest in awareness, but awareness isn't waiting for this to happen, or affected when it does happen

Identify yourself, awareness or appearance, then see if any appearance can be separate from awareness



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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: Chronic7]
    #15733310 - 01/29/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I am always here, always now. Samadhi is consciously realizing this state in which there is no body, no mind, no world. Samadhi is the conscious realization of the Eternal boundless nothingness. I am the same always, when the mind realizes this we call it Samadhi.


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Re: Calling samadhi a different state [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15733802 - 01/29/12 01:53 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

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Quote:

White Beard said:
This is a rather wrong way to look at it. One sees there true nature, then they feel later, "I have to get back to that state!" But that state is right here and now. Samadhi is the only state.




There ARE experiences of 'rising in the planes,' wherein one experiences the Astral Body in a projection, and the Causal Body, which is no body at all, but pure Identity without taint of personal identity as mind-body. Consciousness knows itself on more and more etherial and 'empty' (of memories, emotions, sensations) on these higher planes. We exist as all of these 'sheaths,' each one which is 'woven' out of the respective plane. The problem for all of us is that we are chronically identified with the denser 'sheaths' - our physical body, for one. Except for dreams, which we usually dismiss as internalized brain states, rather than dimensions of existence, our awareness of the Astral Plane/Body only occurs in those rare OOBEs (I've had one, and it was in 1972). The Causal Plane (if I am correct) was in Nirvakalpa Samadhi, or Patanjali's Asamprajnata Samadhi (again, once, in 1974). Perhaps, if we're fortunate, only a few different experiences are necessary per lifetime. The great Neoplatonist Plotinus had only three of these exalted experiences in his life.

Yes, it's all here & now, but our 'karmic predicament' disallows regular awareness of higher planes. For me, each of these experiences, and some telepathic ones, were sufficient "glitches in The Matrix" for me to reformulate my understanding of "how it all is" (as Ram Dass used to put it). So, if I decide to experiment with magick, or alchemy, it is because I have glimpsed a crack in the cause-effect nature of the physical Plane to more subtle planes, and want to see if if they can be manifest in the physical. In other words, by doing certain physical things, and assuming that each physical thing has, say, an astral correlate, can the Astral Plane be effected in such a way that the Physical Plane reflects that effect? Shoot, I don't know, I'm just experimenting. It's how I play.  :drugnerd:  :wizard:




Yeah, true dat.


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