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Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE!
    #15714836 - 01/25/12 03:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys, I've been doing a bit of trading, and am receiving several prints from members here.  (You know who you are!) I won't be receiving them for a little bit, and I'd like to be prepared for when they get here.

Questions are in Red

These are the strains I'm receiving.  As a first time grow and trip, which should I start with first? What are your experiences on the strains?  What did your flushes look like? Weight?
I am a first time tripper, and I'd like to know which is best for a first trip.  I'm interested in a revolutionary experience, that will be used for spiritual work.
I will have:

Ecuador-
Pink buffalo-
Oakridge subcubensis-
GT-
Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa

If any of you have prints of other strains you would like to send in, (because you love mushrooms and figure it's an awesome strain to share) I'm open to accepting them.  I may be able to send you
stamps in exchange.
Should be a good $25 worth of supplies.

This is a list of things I will need.
5 needles-16 gauge-under a dollar a syringe. Should be 4.50 total
Gallon of Isopropyl alcohol 70%-Eh $3?
1 bag of brown rice flour-$6
A bag of perlite-$4
A box of 12 half pint jars-$10
A bag of peat moss-$3

I have
A pressure cooker
half bag of perlite
half bag of peat moss
two air pumps (for a diy humidifier)
3 plastic bins
Latex gloves



After my last failed attempt with a print of gulf coast spores, this time I'm going to do it right.  I plan on doing 3 tubs this time around.

My first sketch of plans

1.)Sterilize entire room, put on mask, wash hands, put on gloves, and spray alcohol around all surfaces.

2.)Mix my brown rice flour mix with perlite into a big bowl, packing all 12 of the jars with the mix

3.)Then I'm going to pressure cook the jars, and allow them to cool down
I'll be using new needles.  I'll be using bottled water.
(question)
I've heard about diluting the water solution with 10 parts water, one part hydrogen peroxide.  I know however,
that hydrogen peroxide will kill the spores.  Should I look out for this? Is it safe to dilute the mixture with peroxide?


4.)I will suck up the spores in the syringe, and inoculate the jars.  Each jar will have 4 holes, for clean inoculation.

5.)I'm going to tape up the holes, and store the jars inside of a plastic bin that I've sterilized. (I have spent too much resources and time at this point
to warrant contamination)

This is where it gets tricky, at this point I can either

A.) Continue with the pf tek origin, put the cakes in a tub and fruit them from the cake itself. (Aluminum foil between it and the perlite)
This is the easier way imo, but I will miss out on the big canopy of mushrooms that a tub would provide.
If I did it this way, I would drill a hole and run airline tubing through the case, and put a 2 liter, (with the top cut off), a air stone, and the
air pump to make a humidifier. I'd run a t tubing to split one of the air pumps air for another case.
(Should I fill the 2 liter with sterile water?  Would I have to worry about changing the water?)

B.) Charter into tub growing territory, but I have a bit of confusion around some concepts, which I'll clarify below.
Pro's is the huge canopy of mushrooms. Con's is my lack of knowledge.

From what I've read, if I were to do it this way I would take the colonized cakes, and put them on top of a casing layer of peat moss
(Should I sterilize the peat moss?) and add another layer of 50% peat moss, and vermiculite.

Then I cover it up with the lid, running the 'humidifier', and open up the lid every two days to release the carbon dioxide.
(I'm thinking of installing a fan on the side of the tub for this to be done automatically)

After that the mushrooms will fruit and I harvest em'.

I got the idea and instructions from penlights grow log;
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3576624

ow, is 4 jars of colonized jars per strain overkill for a decent sized tub at walmart?  Any tips?

Could I crush up two different strains and fruit them succesfully in the same tub? Or would they just fight for resources?



If you guys have any guides you think would be helpful, post em up! I'm extremely welcome to criticisms and improvements in my plans.

I would also like to know what experience you guys have with the strains I've listed, trip reports, grow logs, pictures, anything.
I'm excited about this, and I want to suck up every bit of information that's related to it possible!


I also have a trade thread in the marketplace.  You can find it in my sig.

Edited by HermitCrabsOnE (01/25/12 05:16 AM)

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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: HermitCrabsOnE]
    #15714903 - 01/25/12 04:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think your talking about doing a bulk grow if so you will need a substrate like coir or horse manure or a mixture of the two which I prefer. Then you will have to chop the cakes up into small pieces or grate them with a grater. Then layer the grated cake between the substrate like this substrate grated cake substrate grated cake substrate and so on until you get to at least 3 inches. I would go with a mono tub for a FC. Here's a link to a good coir tek...

http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: shroomsisay]
    #15714926 - 01/25/12 04:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Does the mixture of the two smell?  I could do it that way, but I'm worried the manure will smell.

Also, he mentions spawn.  I'm not exactly 100% on spawn.  What is it? What's the easiest way to make it?


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: HermitCrabsOnE]
    #15714935 - 01/25/12 05:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Spawn usually means your grain. The substrate is what the spawn colonizes near the end. How about having a small mono for each?

You should test the prints at the very least. The cyanofriscosa was probably wild, and so it will probably need to be cleaned up. I would use coir if you're doing bulk. If you're doing brf cakes, you can use verm instead of peat moss. You can do grains/bulk very easily if you have a pressure cooker, and you can follow RogerRabbit's "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" videos.


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: maug]
    #15714944 - 01/25/12 05:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, the brown rice flour is the spawn...lol.:shocked:

Perhaps. If that is the case, I May do four different strains, between four different tubs. 

Calculations from another thread concluded this for 10-12 half pint jars.  Obv I'll have to double this if I use full pint jars.  This is good news, I'll only need one bag of brown rice flour, and one bag of vermiculite.

-excerpt from thread
5 cups vermiculite
3 cups manure
10 tablespoons (0.625 cups) brown rice flour or wild bird seed flour
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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: maug]
    #15714963 - 01/25/12 05:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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maug said:
Spawn usually means your grain. The substrate is what the spawn colonizes near the end. How about having a small mono for each?

You should test the prints at the very least. The cyanofriscosa was probably wild, and so it will probably need to be cleaned up. I would use coir if you're doing bulk. If you're doing brf cakes, you can use verm instead of peat moss. You can do grains/bulk very easily if you have a pressure cooker, and you can follow RogerRabbit's "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" videos.




Cleaned up, you mean agar work needs to be done?

To clarify, your spawn is the colonized mycelium network that's been colonizing in the jars. You break up the cake and that's your spawn?  Man, I'm out of it.


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: HermitCrabsOnE]
    #15715067 - 01/25/12 07:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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HermitCrabsOnE said:
Does the mixture of the two smell?  I could do it that way, but I'm worried the manure will smell.

Also, he mentions spawn.  I'm not exactly 100% on spawn.  What is it? What's the easiest way to make it?




When it is leached properly it doesn't smell at all. Its just like dirt. And just in case you are wondering it must be leached.


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: shroomsisay]
    #15715974 - 01/25/12 12:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Or field aged manure. If it's good, it doesn't smell.

You might be lucky enough with your prints to have some go directly to grain. If you make an LC, then the mushroom will be muscled out before it even gets a chance. I just feel like market place syringes/prints are a craps shoot. If you clean it up on agar in a glove box, you'll have some level of certainty.

Start from the end and work backwards. How many quarts of water does it take to fill your mono's 4 inches? I would say keep it at a 1:4 ratio. I always had bad yields with 1:8 or more. Say it takes 5 quarts. 1.25q needs to be spawn. If each 1/2 pint jars = .25 quarts, then you need 5-6 per mono. I'd say 6, just to error on the side of caution. Or, you could just prep a batch of wild bird seed or rye berries.

Wait till they are 100% colonized, birth/wash/crumble them, and mix/layer just like in RR's videos.


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: maug]
    #15728422 - 01/28/12 08:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Or field aged manure. If it's good, it doesn't smell.

You might be lucky enough with your prints to have some go directly to grain. If you make an LC, then the mushroom will be muscled out before it even gets a chance. I just feel like market place syringes/prints are a craps shoot. If you clean it up on agar in a glove box, you'll have some level of certainty.

Start from the end and work backwards. How many quarts of water does it take to fill your mono's 4 inches? I would say keep it at a 1:4 ratio. I always had bad yields with 1:8 or more. Say it takes 5 quarts. 1.25q needs to be spawn. If each 1/2 pint jars = .25 quarts, then you need 5-6 per mono. I'd say 6, just to error on the side of caution. Or, you could just prep a batch of wild bird seed or rye berries.

Wait till they are 100% colonized, birth/wash/crumble them, and mix/layer just like in RR's videos.





I can see why you'd say that, because you can't control who does what with the spores before they are sent to you, and you don't know the person's skill level with mushrooms, or the cleanliness issue...

thanks for the advice.


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: HermitCrabsOnE]
    #15728492 - 01/28/12 08:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if I were starting out, I'd do pf tek first and fruit as cakes & do a mini-mono tub too (where you mix the fully colonised myc with coir & Verm and put in a little tub) as you should have enough resources to try both (try like 2 cakes + coir per tub, lunchbox sized), as I think it gives you a good grounding on what's involved and how the myc, fruits progress over time etc.
plus you're likely to have a few fuck-ups and if you've put everything into one big monotub, and contams etc will wipe out your entire operation

follow the tek in my signature (evilmushrooms), plus watch the "lets Grow Mushrooms" videos by RogerRabbit. Proper invaluable advice!


I don't think mixing H2O2 in your spore syringe is a good idea. just well boiled clean water is best.

sack the airstone and tubing, just get a big tote and make it into a shot gun terrarium (sgfc). 1/4" holes spaced every 2" on every side of the tub (including bottom) then fill with 4-6" of damp perlite. and bingo! ready to go!


if you wanna go bulk, you can cheesegrater the cakes and mix thoroughly with your pasteurised coir/ verm. Or put it in a new ziplock (more sterile inside if it's new) and smunch it up, then mix it.

for more details on coir teks - Damion5050's elementary coir tek
this one is a proper winner!

also, you want the co2 to build up until it's 100% colonized.

and finaly read the shit out of this:

all or RR's notes

it'll probably be one of the best hours you'll spend learning about this hobby


best of luck!!!

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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: keeno]
    #15728554 - 01/28/12 08:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You need to do the pf tek first or your asking for touble

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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: Arson420]
    #15729124 - 01/28/12 12:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You need to do the pf tek first or your asking for touble




I don't see why. My first grow was using a bag of rye berries with verm casing. I got over a pound wet, from 1 lb of rye.


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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: keeno]
    #15730819 - 01/28/12 07:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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if I were starting out, I'd do pf tek first and fruit as cakes & do a mini-mono tub too (where you mix the fully colonised myc with coir & Verm and put in a little tub) as you should have enough resources to try both (try like 2 cakes + coir per tub, lunchbox sized), as I think it gives you a good grounding on what's involved and how the myc, fruits progress over time etc.
plus you're likely to have a few fuck-ups and if you've put everything into one big monotub, and contams etc will wipe out your entire operation

follow the tek in my signature (evilmushrooms), plus watch the "lets Grow Mushrooms" videos by RogerRabbit. Proper invaluable advice!


I don't think mixing H2O2 in your spore syringe is a good idea. just well boiled clean water is best.

sack the airstone and tubing, just get a big tote and make it into a shot gun terrarium (sgfc). 1/4" holes spaced every 2" on every side of the tub (including bottom) then fill with 4-6" of damp perlite. and bingo! ready to go!


if you wanna go bulk, you can cheesegrater the cakes and mix thoroughly with your pasteurised coir/ verm. Or put it in a new ziplock (more sterile inside if it's new) and smunch it up, then mix it.

for more details on coir teks - Damion5050's elementary coir tek
this one is a proper winner!

also, you want the co2 to build up until it's 100% colonized.

and finaly read the shit out of this:

all or RR's notes

it'll probably be one of the best hours you'll spend learning about this hobby


best of luck!!!

:cookiemonster:





I like your idea.  I'm going to inoculate the jars this week, (Just got my first Ecuador Print)  I just need to go pick up some jars, and brown rice flour.  I'm thinking about using rye berries. Does anyone have an opinion about rye berries vs. brown rice flour?

Also, that link looks like a long one. time to smoke a doobie.


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    #15730859 - 01/28/12 07:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Start out simple. If you put some 1200 ml substrates to work using the PF TEK you can get pounds and pounds. Dont overdo it. Start out easy..

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    #15742420 - 01/31/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Eh, I just picked up a big bag of bird seed, I'm going to do half and half.  I plan on being super anal about contamination, like SUPER ANAL.  I can't control if the prints I get may have contams, but I think I'll be fine.


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    #15742566 - 01/31/12 12:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I like your idea.  I'm going to inoculate the jars this week, (Just got my first Ecuador Print)  I just need to go pick up some jars, and brown rice flour.  I'm thinking about using rye berries. Does anyone have an opinion about rye berries vs. brown rice flour?

Also, that link looks like a long one. time to smoke a doobie.




Just about all the long timers on here will tell you to go with the rye.  Rye is a whole grain, meaning the mycelium has the whole grain to snack on while it is growing.  BRF is just a thin layer of coating on vermeculite. The Myc can not eat the Verm, just the thin BRF coating on the outside. Meaning, less food for the mushrooms using BRF versus the whole grain. Main difference is you need a pressure cooker if you are going to use any type of whole grain.  If you want to save some bucks and not have to buy a pressure cooker, then BRF is the way to go.

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    #15746906 - 02/01/12 11:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I like your idea.  I'm going to inoculate the jars this week, (Just got my first Ecuador Print)  I just need to go pick up some jars, and brown rice flour.  I'm thinking about using rye berries. Does anyone have an opinion about rye berries vs. brown rice flour?

Also, that link looks like a long one. time to smoke a doobie.




Just about all the long timers on here will tell you to go with the rye.  Rye is a whole grain, meaning the mycelium has the whole grain to snack on while it is growing.  BRF is just a thin layer of coating on vermeculite. The Myc can not eat the Verm, just the thin BRF coating on the outside. Meaning, less food for the mushrooms using BRF versus the whole grain. Main difference is you need a pressure cooker if you are going to use any type of whole grain.  If you want to save some bucks and not have to buy a pressure cooker, then BRF is the way to go.




For household growing and personal consumption cakes are more than enough. I have gone to using 1200 ml substrates made exactly the same way as one would make cakes. Using home-made growboxes is wicked fun and theyll fruit IMO better than single cakes.

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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15747140 - 02/01/12 12:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm towards the end of my first grow using PF-Tek, and even though I grew shrooms successfully years ago, I got the same advice to start simple and I'm glad I did. I made a couple mistakes, nothing major, but it set it back a few days and it just involved some half pint BRF jars rather than a bunch of quart grain jars and 4" of substrate. So far I've followed the advice of experienced growers here several times, and every time it's proven to very wise advice.

I'm very grateful for this forum and the great growers here to take the time to share their knowledge! In fact today I realized I was being a leecher of info and it was time to give something back so I just now bought a 3 month supporter pack. Muchisimas gracias Shroomerites! :mushroom2: :thumbup:

Good luck Hermit and hope you post some pics so we can see your progress...

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    #15747649 - 02/01/12 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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psychotropical said:
I'm towards the end of my first grow using PF-Tek, and even though I grew shrooms successfully years ago, I got the same advice to start simple and I'm glad I did. I made a couple mistakes, nothing major, but it set it back a few days and it just involved some half pint BRF jars rather than a bunch of quart grain jars and 4" of substrate. So far I've followed the advice of experienced growers here several times, and every time it's proven to very wise advice.

I'm very grateful for this forum and the great growers here to take the time to share their knowledge! In fact today I realized I was being a leecher of info and it was time to give something back so I just now bought a 3 month supporter pack. Muchisimas gracias Shroomerites! :mushroom2: :thumbup:

Good luck Hermit and hope you post some pics so we can see your progress...

:billymaythumbup:




The PF TEK is powerful stuff but it takes some time to learn all the basics and even more to get real used to it. I started with 125 ml substrates and from that went on to 1200 ml homemade growboxes and they put out harvest like 4 individual cakes at once and handle just as easy as one cake and doesnt take more time, care or worry to grow than that. Thats a effective description of how the PF TEK can be used to vastly simplify the process while keeping yields acceptable and the process safe. Instead of 6 individual cakes, 6 individual 1200 ml subs..:smile:







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Re: Rough Plans for First Grow-SHROOMERITES, GET IN HERE! [Re: kdmmontana]
    #15748317 - 02/01/12 05:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Very nice KDM - yeah those look like a nice step between PF and mono tubs.  I'm doin' some bulk next, my grain jars are about 30%, gettin' excited.
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