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Jdub1
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Datura... The enigma unravels
#15697761 - 01/21/12 02:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes indeed...
Datura, is to me somewhat of an enigma
Apon my experimentation with this plant i found a number of facinating things. One, that i can become invisible. And two, i have ginormous hands that can cover an area far greater than any normal mans hand.
All miricles? maybe.
But seriously now. Imo, this plant doesnt get as much credit as it deserves. Atleast from my investigations on the internet on datura, compared to my experiences on datura, i'd have to say that mine were a bit better.
The thing is, when one is under the influence of datura, there are moments when things external to ones self can take on a life of thier own. The mind debates over whether or not these things are physical, and often poeple are witnessed interacting with things that are not there or not as they seem to be. Thats because they are not a part of this physical realm as you like.
It can be decietefull to normal sensory.
I've noticed alot of what is experienced when deep into the state datura induces is visual and comes in waves. Visions can last anywhere from a few secons to much longer. Some things can become clear or more distorted at will by focusing and concentrating.
Some of my favourite visions came to me all in one night after about 4-5 days of full on datura use. I saw images of men and aien races in outer space battling it out in highly advanced space craft of different sizes and capabilitys. It was like It was bing projected in digital animation for me inside my head as i lay on the grass staring at the sky that night.
I've been summoned to places I have little recolection of. Seen crowds of people apearing from trees and grass. I've passed crack pipes with a celelbrity. I've controlled a string of seemingling infinite text scrolling out of a fifty cent coin with my finger like an eye pod. I've noticed multidimentional subliminal advertising on multiple products. I saw the end of my index finger get cut off in a second and then reapear The list goes on.
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Edited by Jdub1 (01/21/12 02:49 PM)
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15697858 - 01/21/12 03:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jdub1
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Gotlib]
#15740039 - 01/30/12 08:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another rockin thing about datura is the lucid dreaming it can induce. I've had dreams that i was flying and teleporting about the place, it was wicked.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15740116 - 01/30/12 08:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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datura was used by many native tribes In north America in prehistory ... I really don't like it and find it fairly dangerous... it's an interesting and attractive plant though
Used to grow like a weed where I grew up... had many experiments... Once upon a time when I felt I was immortal...
More power to you if you are in it's good graces....
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: HarryL]
#15740184 - 01/30/12 08:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard the visions can be intense, but people say it's not worth the negative effects. What do you have to say about that? Dry mouth, trouble peeing, sand paper saliva, etc.
This is something I would not do unless a sitter were present. I know you don't feel this way, but there are way to many ways to hurt yourself, even if you don't mean to. I don't feel like waking up with all my fingers amputated and wondering how it happened cause I was out of this world... It's hard to stay safe when you don't know what's real.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: trophycase]
#15740525 - 01/30/12 10:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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All the stories I've heard about Datura invariably involve the police.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: trophycase]
#15740776 - 01/30/12 11:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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trophycase said: I've heard the visions can be intense, but people say it's not worth the negative effects. What do you have to say about that? Dry mouth, trouble peeing, sand paper saliva, etc.
Be well prepared and have some water close by at all times to solve desert mouth. This means taking sips every couple of minutes but it's better than cotton mouth. And as for trouble passing urine, thats not too much of a problem. It does take a minute to fire up but once there's a flow it dont stop, and you'll probably only need to piss a few times.
Im all for the idea of either being a sitter or having a sitter present for this. Atleast 48-72 hours would have to be completly dedicated to the task of sitting so a bit of a roster and maybe an outing or two should be considered. Infact, if one has a good experienced dedicated sitter the chances of having an unsafe or unpleasent trip reduces drasticaly. There should be no need for doctors or police in this case. Thats assuming the subject is not likely to go awol or get angry and for some reason overpower the sitter.
As far as im concerned it's worth it. I wouldn't recomend doing it alone but it's not all bad when experiencing block buster visions. Seriously some of the visions if had have been better than seeing star wars in the cinema. And it's because of these visions that i regard this plant to be so special and overlook the bad side effects.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15740878 - 01/30/12 11:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you ever read any Carlos Castaneda?
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15740986 - 01/31/12 12:03 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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In actual fact, the plant i've been using and calling datura might not actualy the plant your thinking of when i say datura. See, the plant i found does resemble datura in that it has large prickly pods full of seeds but does not, or atleast from my documented sightings have any flowers. Anyway, It marys up with what i've read in trip reports, and the large pods are close enough so im calling it datura.
I'd like to spark some interest to some people new to it rather than just scaring them off.
Some things should be expected:
Visions dont usualy start untill about 6-12 hours. In this time you should experience extreme mydraisis of the eye ball. Your skin should appear to glow. (I've experienced vanity to some extent in this state). Feelings of self hate disolve. Vision becomes very blury. mouth droughts (have water handy)
About 12-24 hours in:
depending alot on your suroundings. At home, I've had many uninvited guests apear in spirit. All of a sudden i was hosting some sort of gathering with invisible people.
In the forest, ive seen acacia wattle trees become extremly large skinny people using there own weight against other trees to stretch out and improve flexiblity.
Once i was walking during the day about 24 hours into my trip along abandoned train tracks, and all along each side of me as i balanced on the rail bare foot were syringes. This went on for about 2k of rail line. Along the way i met some girls i know who showed me how they made shoes out of a fury weed that grew around there. They looked like perfect little elve shoes. Not long after i sat down near a little creek and i could hear the frogs croaking at me. But some of it i was translating into english. I translated it as something weird i wont go into though.
24-48 hours in:
I've experienced incounters with what i'd say are highly advanced entitys of some sort that could shape shift. They have apeared before me at about the two day mark on several occasions. Tiny insects that move at massive speeds and seem to murge with anything. They seem to murge easily with natural things. (I've likened them to insects that cunningly disguise themselves in all sorts of forms, mainly fauna) I've seen them go from looking like leaves, to crawling on many tiny legs, to a cocoon state that apeared to be human.
I came to the beliefe that these insects could go into a cocoon state and then hatch shortly after like some super advanced alien species. No joke. Weird belief huh?
the second half in my experience is the best bit with visions occuring quite often, but ater the 48 hour mark most of the fun has been had and it's a slow come down, not too unpleasent with a few bowls or something
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Edited by Jdub1 (01/31/12 12:09 AM)
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15741126 - 01/31/12 12:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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acording to barbara marciniaks work with the pliades an outerspace conflict did occure some 300,000 years ago for the ownership of earth between different alien species... I find this interesting because alot of the visions i had were of this. It occured to another shaman i was writting to via email that this was probably the case and i did some research. The pleiades also happen to be a star cluster in my star sign Taurus.
I'd describe some of the technology used in these wars as being absolutely amazing. A big cage made out of some kind of laser apeared between two very large space ships. In this cage were some human entitys and other species of humanoid driving smaller space craft. Some of the humans apeared to be on boards, and it seemed like a scene from a star wars movie or something but only way better effects
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15741159 - 01/31/12 01:03 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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and yet..knowing this will not help us one bit, unless you made a movie about or something. interesting stuff though, i really do enjoy it.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15741163 - 01/31/12 01:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jdub1 said:
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trophycase said: I've heard the visions can be intense, but people say it's not worth the negative effects. What do you have to say about that? Dry mouth, trouble peeing, sand paper saliva, etc.
Be well prepared and have some water close by at all times to solve desert mouth. This means taking sips every couple of minutes but it's better than cotton mouth. And as for trouble passing urine, thats not too much of a problem. It does take a minute to fire up but once there's a flow it dont stop, and you'll probably only need to piss a few times.
Im all for the idea of either being a sitter or having a sitter present for this. Atleast 48-72 hours would have to be completly dedicated to the task of sitting so a bit of a roster and maybe an outing or two should be considered. Infact, if one has a good experienced dedicated sitter the chances of having an unsafe or unpleasent trip reduces drasticaly. There should be no need for doctors or police in this case. Thats assuming the subject is not likely to go awol or get angry and for some reason overpower the sitter.
As far as im concerned it's worth it. I wouldn't recomend doing it alone but it's not all bad when experiencing block buster visions. Seriously some of the visions if had have been better than seeing star wars in the cinema. And it's because of these visions that i regard this plant to be so special and overlook the bad side effects.
Good answer. 
And I've read trip reports of people inviting in imaginary friends and having conversations with them over and over again.
Also, there seems to be a theme of smoking imaginary cigarettes. Ever experience that?
Also sorry for any grammatical/spelling errors. Had a few beers.
Cheers.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: trophycase]
#15741252 - 01/31/12 01:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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im the illest anglist yet. Grammers not a problem
Yes i have experienced imaginary sigaretts alot. Before i did any real research that is. Ive experienced imaginary alot of things. On one of my trips i had been using a glass pipe to smoke some meth, i did so to help fast for the datura. But even when i'd run out of gear i was passing a pipe between myself and a poet im a fan of. It was kinda cool. I was convinced that i was holding a crack pipe in my pocket for the next hour or so and when it dissapeared i kept looking for it.
The craziest thing that happened to me was this. (and im convinced alot of this happened) as far as set and setting go, im sure of this. I was somehow summoned to rural church in a little town i was tripping near. At this church alot of people i know and old friends arrived. One of them had a frog he claimed to be psychadelic and sugested i give it a lick. I foolishly did so... So we were all summoned to a church. (i'ts probably the case that i was alone but I could see and interact with the other presences). The ocupants of the church must have called the cops, and a short distance away i could see a man wearing flourecent green. By this stage everyone had gone and i was sitting on the grass with a poet im a fan of, when i shout at the cop to fuck off. i was very sure of myself at that time and just knew this guy didnt want trouble) He replied ok and just left.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15741378 - 01/31/12 03:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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who's the poet you're a fan of?
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: akira_akuma]
#15741424 - 01/31/12 03:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds insane. OP how do you do this? Be high and delirious for days like that? You must live alone and have a lot of free time to experiment. I could not imagine being delirious for days, having delusional conversations with imaginary people, and enjoying it. It sounds like complete insanity.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: drr]
#15741430 - 01/31/12 03:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Datura rocks, people who are scared of it will do weird untested RC's then come on here and talk pure fucking shit about Datura and regurgitate a bunch of propaganda carbon-copy stories they heard about it, which is just retarded and no better than the "Reefer Madness" type cannabis propaganda films. Don't believe the hype, study well since it is toxic in too much of a dose though, be careful with it and you'll be fine. 
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: John Nada]
#15741448 - 01/31/12 04:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, datura can be fun if you're really careful with the dose you ingest. First time I did datura I spent 2 days in a complete delirium thinking I was getting attacked by invisible flies everywhere. Just be careful and you'll be allright
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: akira_akuma]
#15741453 - 01/31/12 04:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: who's the poet you're a fan of?
Well rap artist actually, Aesop rock was one, and sage francis..
Drr is not wrong. Alot of it is madness but some of it can be quite insitefull and fun. Expecialy the visions and lucid dreaming.
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: Jdub1]
#15741772 - 01/31/12 07:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Castaneda has been shown to have made up everything in His books I believe...
Datura is datura... It's a plant genus
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura
I would caution anyone interested in taking datura to be very careful and do your research... Think there are many poisoning with datura each year. Do not go into it thinking its just like pot or even mushrooms... Chemicals involved are many and not consistant in the plant
And I dont take any RCs, I stick with natural substances only
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Re: Datura... The enigma unravels [Re: HarryL]
#15741842 - 01/31/12 08:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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What kind of doses are you taking(I know potency can be highly variable(I've read that anyway )) and how?
I've been experimenting with low doses for anti-nausea and possibly increased visual effects, but I'm interested to see where it goes. I'll prolly continue to raise the dose by 1 seed(I started at 5 and went to 8 with a few repeats without much apparent effect but I think I was def starting to get more than placebo feelings out of them) until effects become more apparent then see where I want to go from there.
I described it more in this thread about low doses: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15689718 link network wooo for when people search for this shiz in the future haha
Also, I've since done some bridgesii tar goo stuff after taking 5 datura seeds and smoking the bong and I didn't throw up and only felt slightly nauseous a couple of times. I also took the tar in little balls over an hour haha. The first time a took about the same dose(which for both was prolly about a foot of varying width bridgesii) in a tea(a couple chuggings of the nasty shiz) which could have been reduced to a lot lower volume and only tried to get high after drinking the tea when the nausea was already setting in and threw that up in 30 minutes. Terrible "experiment"(wasn't trying to, especially not with the first tea dose, I just got impatient and forgot about the datura haha) since I changed almost all the variables haha, but still maybe someone will get something from it. Oh yeah, the trips were nice and light with the second one def better(more effects) than the first(prolly because I held it down the whole time). Hope this isn't too off topic haha.
Also, all the seeds I am eating came from a wild datura plant growing where I used to live(it's on my other post but thought I'd put it here too).
Edited by Hiro (01/31/12 08:36 AM)
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