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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: ]
    #1562760 - 05/20/03 11:39 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I think there can be a "truth" in the matter what is considered Good Men.

Men have good intentions, though the outcome may not be so good.

The non destructive, no hate, Love for all , attitude is what can help define good men.


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OfflineLostMetropolis
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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1562839 - 05/20/03 12:11 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

There is no meaning of life. Humans are generally ignorant, and automatically assume there is a meaning to all things, when in fact, as stated earlier, the only things that have true meaning are those with which we ourselves give meaning to, such as our own lives and actions. "Why" is the infinite unanswerable question. Life exists, and that is all. For every answer you get, you can ask why again and still not come to the "true" answer you're looking for. There is no "why". Just circles of questions without answers. That's what I think anyways.

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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: LostMetropolis]
    #1563101 - 05/20/03 01:50 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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  There is no meaning of life. Humans are generally ignorant, and automatically assume there is a meaning to all things, when in fact, as stated earlier, the only things that have true meaning are those with which we ourselves give meaning to, such as our own lives and actions. 


 

Isnt that what I said?  Though sounds like you contradicted yourself with your first sentence and then in the second part of your second sentence you seem to say there is a meaning.
The collective thoughts, wants, needs, desires, of all "Good Men" and the follow through of those deeds are what makes life meaningful.
So there is a meaning!!
IMO...always  :grin: 


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OfflineLostMetropolis
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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1563520 - 05/20/03 04:50 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yep you said it, but I think your confusing finding meaning for your own life with The Meaning of All Life. As in the creation of all living things. Two different things.

Btw, what exactly is the definition of "good men"? Surely if there is good I'm assuming you also think there is evil. Let me ask you, when was the last time you met someone who was evil? Where they evil because they truly were, or were they evil because you thought so?

And when was the last person you met who thought of themself and their own actions evil. I don't really believe in good and evil. I believe in human nature and instincts. People justify their own actions in their mind. If you beat your wife are you doing it because you're evil or because you yourself were beaten? If a dog kills another dog they call it survival, but when a man kills another man they call it murder. How are these different enough that one would be considered evil and the other would be considered instinct?

Not that I condone murder or anything.

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LM


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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: LostMetropolis]
    #1565738 - 05/21/03 12:06 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Yep you said it, but I think your confusing finding meaning for your own life with The Meaning of All Life. As in the creation of all living things. Two different things. 



Actually I think you got the question wrong.  Meaning of Life?  The creation of Life as in Why? or the Meaning of Life as I perceive it.

When the Meaning of Life is asked I dont perceive it as what is the Meaning of MY Life.  Even though they are one in the same.

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Btw, what exactly is the definition of "good men"? Surely if there is good I'm assuming you also think there is evil. Let me ask you, when was the last time you met someone who was evil? Where they evil because they truly were, or were they evil because you thought so?




What is a "good men".  One that in their hearts does good by their actions.
Are you one through your actions destroy? or one to do something that creates a positive outcome?  Though not any single action should be judged on a person to define them as good or evil but by the sum of their actions.

As in the wife beating, he may have grown up around it and is affected by environment but inherently knows what is good and bad.  (though there are exceptions though that can be argued)

The dog, thats totally different, you come at me to hurt me and I kill you thats not murder its self defense.  Out of lust, lack of care or any other besides self defense, it becomes murder. (for  human)  Animals are distinctly different as they dont have the ability developed as far as we do to reason, among thousands of other traits to distinguish what it is to be human from a animal.  To reason is what sets us apart from the animals from what the difference between what is right and wrong.  Though some animals do show these traits. 

Keep in mind we are top of the food chain, we have no natural predator but ourselves.  Why do you think we murder so much and take our own lives?
Its not the only reason but on a macro environment related scale it is. 

Back to the main topic more so, there is wildly different defintions on good and evil based on perception.  More than one war has been fought in the name of GOD.  Though a half intelligent outsider knows its more about land, money, gold, and resources and not what GOD wants.  Unless of course you get idiots who pervert a good religion by doing things cause it what is says in their bible.  Even though its a interpretation on a warped mind, though a stretched one at that.

Just a thought..... :tongue:




     


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InvisibleMACDADDY
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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1565950 - 05/21/03 12:53 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody read Kurt Vonnegut? He's written that the Meaning of Life is to be God's eyes and ears. Makes sense, doesn't it?


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OfflineMurex
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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: MACDADDY]
    #1566827 - 05/21/03 05:51 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)


Yes it does. :smile:


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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OfflineSafeHaven

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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: Murex]
    #1568866 - 05/22/03 10:20 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

What Is that book called, Slaughter House Five?



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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: MACDADDY]
    #1568881 - 05/22/03 10:26 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

it makes sense without the word God, yeah......

i fucking hate that word


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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: Strumpling]
    #1569183 - 05/22/03 12:43 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)


I can see why you hate it. :laugh:

I dislike the word a bit because peoples image of God only applies to their belief of what God is.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: Murex]
    #1569564 - 05/22/03 02:27 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah its such a generic word.....

Some guy who things God = Existence can say "thank God" to a christian and they'd both think they were talking about the same thing because they're using the same word. Anyway, this isn't really the topic at all so I'll leave it alone..

But life being the eyes of the Everything makes plenty of sense; yes.


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Re: The Meaning Of Life [Re: SafeHaven]
    #1569633 - 05/22/03 02:51 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I figured you would say as much. It's true that most people know the difference between "bad" and "good". But really, there is no bad or good. Concepts like that were created for humans by humans as means for societies to have order and control. The same goes for religion. Underneath all the fantastical stories is the base of it. RULES. Without those principals, without laws, rules or set "goods" and "bads", no society would work. It would be complete chaos.

We are at the top of the food chain (though I dont recommend testing this in a cage with a lion) so it is quite natural for most humans to think of ourselves rather highly. I think our perceptions of what is right and wrong, good or bad, is a prime example of this. We seem to have forgotten that we are still just animals. When someone mentions the animal kingdom, they don't think of themselves in that category. We think were better than that. More complicated? Yes. More intelligent? Duh. Better? Not at all. We eat, we shit, we fuck, we die. Any justifications about what is right or wrong is there to make us feel superior and for control.

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY! Heh, jk. :smirk: But yea.

Peace
LM
 


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