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Marijuana legal in Ontario
    #1569625 - 05/22/03 02:47 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Marijuana legal in Ontario
http://cannabisculture.com/articles/2958.html

by Dana Larsen and Reverend Damuzi (16 May, 2003) Appeal Court judge rules that Canada's pot-possession laws are void.


Now legal in Ontario
Marijuana advocates across Canada are celebrating a May 16 Ontario court decision, which effectively legalized possession in Canada's largest province.

On Friday, May 16, Ontario Superior Court Justice Steven Rogin upheld the lower court ruling of Justice Philips, concerning a case of pot possession in Ontario.

Justice Rogin agreed that the federal government had failed in its obligation to change the law to allow for medical use of marijuana, and so the entire law was void.

This decision is binding on Ontario's lower courts, which means that no-one can be convicted of pot possession in Ontario. This effectively means that marijuana is now legal in Canada's largest province.

It is expected that other Appeal courts across Canada will also ratify the decision. Related cases are making their way through the courts in at least four other provinces.

The federal government has appealed the case to Ontario's Court of Appeal.

The "decrim" legislation being contemplated by Canada's Liberal government will presumably be aimed at filling this void in Canada's pot laws.

Marijuana advocates are encouraging pot smokers in Ontario to enjoy their new-found freedom. "The people of Ontario should be celebrating this monumental victory!" said Marc Emery of the BC Marijuana party. "Anywhere you can smoke tobacco, they should be smoking marijuana."


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History of the decision

It began in January in Windsor, Ontario, when lawyer Brian McAllister convinced Provincial Court Judge Phillips that Canada's cannabis laws no longer exist, and that his 16-year-old client should go free on charges of possession. In his ruling, Justice Philips agreed, adding that if a cultivation or trafficking case had been before him, he would have thrown out those charges as well (CC#42, Canadian judges toss pot prohibition).

McAllister's novel legal argument was based on a July 2000 court ruling relating to Canadian med-pot user Terry Parker (CC#28, Canada's med-pot push). In the Parker ruling, Ontario's Supreme Court said that Canada's marijuana laws were unconstitutional because they didn't adequately address the needs of sick people who required pot. The court gave the government one year to change the law and provide medical access to marijuana, or the whole law against pot would be struck down.

One year later, the government had created new medical marijuana regulations, but didn't change the actual law. The difference, argued McAllister, is that regulations can be altered at the whim of Canada's top ministers, but laws require debate and a vote by parliament. The judge agreed, declared that the government had failed in its court-ordered legal obligations, and that therefore Canada's pot law was null and void.

Now that the Ontario Superior Court has upheld the decision, it is binding on all lower courts in Ontario. Although Ontario's higher courts could reverse the decision, right now there is no law against pot possession in Ontario.



Overgrowing the government
Spreading freedom

The earlier decision from Ontario lower Provincial Court had already been reinforced by decisions in PEI and Nova Scotia. In PEI, the judge explained his reasoning as follows:

"All persons in the Province of Ontario, all 12 million of them, have acquired an immunity from prosecution for marijuana possession, which may be anything from short term to permanent. If this prosecution [in PEI] is permitted to continue, in effect it would be tantamount to a ruling that more than one third of the population of Canada is immune from prosecution while the residents of Prince Edward Island are not."

These court decisions also reveal the true purpose behind the Liberals' impending new pot "decrim" legislation. Their new law would overrule these court decisions, and so the government is expected to pass their new bill as quickly as possible, to fill in the legal void.

A more far-reaching Supreme Court challenge to Canada's marijuana laws was heard on May 6, and a decision is expected in the winter.



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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: pattern]
    #1569725 - 05/22/03 03:30 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I kinda like the void... :smile:

They're so fucking stupid though not to legalise it, as the money they get in decrim fines will be pocket change in comparisson.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: pattern]
    #1569752 - 05/22/03 03:42 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Good going Canoodia!!! :grin:

So ah....how long do you think it will be legal and who's going to be the first one to light up in public?

oh, and i live 15 min. from Windsor, Ontario so i'm quite happy :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1569814 - 05/22/03 04:09 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Me!

toked a joint yesterday walking to the store..

OH...wait!, im not in ontario... :blush:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1569820 - 05/22/03 04:11 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Inny. B careful.  MJ stays in your system for 7 days...or longer!
i hope your not a young man, as going back to the USA could be bothersome...to say the least. :crazy:

Heaven forbid they find a roach, or some cop just want to test you, or they smell it, or....
i dont cross that border. :mad:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1569827 - 05/22/03 04:13 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I heard from a Canadian guy i work with that he thinks Ontario will become another Amsterdam...i hope he's right.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1569836 - 05/22/03 04:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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Inny. B careful. MJ stays in your system for 7 days...or longer!




It stays in loger if you smoke alot...but it's not illegal to have it in your system.

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i hope your not a young man, as going back to the USA could be bothersome...to say the least.




I'm 32 and i know the troubles that would be ahead.

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Heaven forbid they find a roach, or some cop just want to test you, or they smell it, or....
i dont cross that border.




I don't smoke in my truck (i don't like the smell of stale smoke) so i don't have to worry aboot them finding a roach and i'm not crazy enough to risk being put in jail when i can drive 15 minutes to do it.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1569878 - 05/22/03 04:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

It stays in loger if you smoke alot...but it's not illegal to have it in your system.

YES!..it is!
I got busted for driving under the influence of pot because i was driving home on a summer day, with a shaved head, and my shirt off, sunglasse, having just been layed off from work earlier and he pulled me over for changing lanes without a signal.
Searched me and the vehicle (illegaly i think), didn't find anything, then said he was calling a tow truck and my liscense is suspended for a month. :mad: ALL because in his "judgment" i had it in my system. 
The tow truck driver said he knows that cop and he is notorious for doing shit like this, as he'd towed other unfortunates cars as well.
But anyway paid $90 for a tow $60 for a drug test (drank 4l orange juice, and 1l vinegar), passed it, and had the record removed.
Motor vehicle branch still tried to take away my liscense for the changing without signal offense alone, but after a letter explaining my need to get to work and support myself they decided to be lenient.

So do a bit more research, although i doubt you'd get stopped being an old man like you are :wink:, unless your crossing the border with a shaved head, sunglasses, and no shirt.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1569890 - 05/22/03 04:47 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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It stays in loger if you smoke alot...but it's not illegal to have it in your system.
YES!..it is!




did he suspect you of being "high" or having it in your blood stream?  Either way that sucks.

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So do a bit more research, although i doubt you'd get stopped being an old man like you are 




you'd be surprised, i'm not a model citizen in the points dept.  I hate driving slow.

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unless your crossing the border with a shaved head, sunglasses, and no shirt.




i don't usually drive without a shirt nor do i shave my head....if there's one thing us americans know around here is that when the border guard asks you where you are going or where have you been you always say the Casino!! and no you didn't win anything. :grin:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1569895 - 05/22/03 04:51 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit...was that in B.C.? 

I've just started working in the California education system and I have a mandatory drug test coming up soon.  I feel like I'm forced to choose between being jerked around by the system and being able to corrupt the system's children.  :smirk: 

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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: pattern]
    #1570195 - 05/22/03 07:11 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I made a thread back when this first happened. Seemed like nobody cared when I told them lol.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: barfightlard]
    #1570223 - 05/22/03 07:23 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

George Bush and John Ashcroft would put all of you dirty pot smokers on a train straight to Auschwitz if they could.






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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Learyfan]
    #1570257 - 05/22/03 07:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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George Bush and John Ashcroft would put all of you dirty pot smokers on a train straight to Auschwitz if they could.



So would lots of politicians of both parties.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1570282 - 05/22/03 07:51 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Azmodeus, that guy big time coulda been fucked if you got a good lawyer. He broke the law big time if you live in the US.

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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: silversoul7]
    #1570300 - 05/22/03 07:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

quick my canadian brothers, start some food businesses/resturant that uses marijuana in their products!


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: silversoul7]
    #1570340 - 05/22/03 08:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I don't like either of those parties.




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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: pattern]
    #1570473 - 05/22/03 09:13 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

hell ya, I celebrated all last weekend smokin weed whilst camping  :laugh:

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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1570717 - 05/22/03 10:32 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Well I've already lit up in public many times since this happened  :wink:

If you only live 15 mins away, you should be able to see the smoke clouds rising  :cool:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: trendal]
    #1570729 - 05/22/03 10:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Where in public have you people in Ontario lit up?

There's still gotta be a high in public rule.




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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Learyfan]
    #1570741 - 05/22/03 10:45 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Middle of the day, riverside park. Smoked where we could see Detroit. Hoped someone accross the river could see us and envy  :smirk:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Learyfan]
    #1570893 - 05/22/03 11:35 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. That nipple is getting quite popular.

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    #1570982 - 05/22/03 11:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I'm rocking it in tribute to you today.

Some guy named Luvthemshrooms is biting my style.




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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: trendal]
    #1571556 - 05/23/03 05:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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Smoked where we could see Detroit. Hoped someone accross the river could see us and envy




That was you?

hmpfff...


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Learyfan]
    #1571558 - 05/23/03 05:04 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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Some guy named Luvthemshrooms is biting my style




you first have to have style.  :smirk:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1571826 - 05/23/03 10:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!





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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Learyfan]
    #1571833 - 05/23/03 10:16 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Learyfan]
    #1572016 - 05/23/03 11:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Is it just me, or is that man kissing a 14 year old boy smack on the lips?!...is that a toungue i see? :crazy:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1572021 - 05/23/03 12:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

It's a different culture. Maybe it means something different there.


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: silversoul7]
    #1572032 - 05/23/03 12:04 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

One can only hope! :wink:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1572041 - 05/23/03 12:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Not that there's anything wrong with that...


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: silversoul7]
    #1572047 - 05/23/03 12:09 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, they seem to be fine with it...who am i to judge?


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1572252 - 05/23/03 01:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

judge it whatever way you want...i think he's a freak. :smirk:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1574162 - 05/24/03 06:51 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

if there is no tongue then who fucking cares

not that I want a dirty old man kissing me but hey.......... :wink: 


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1574238 - 05/24/03 08:32 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I will be spending a lot more time in Ottawa this summer. Imagine the Jazz festival this year...............


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: aeonblue]
    #1574843 - 05/24/03 04:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Holeeeeeeeee SHIT. Ontario...Where the fuck is my map...I'm coming to visit...Goddamn....

I've never met a Canadian before...Are they safe? Do they look different than us? Do they have any strange customs we should be aware of?

Good Lord...So much research to do...


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1575786 - 05/25/03 01:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

hopefully it'll go through BC soon, cause I guarantee you the stores around the marijuana party headquarters/bookstore will be selling weed muffins and such. You can already smoke pot totally openly there. There's a smoking room for tobacco, but weed you can smoke anywhere.

Yeah so why did everybody only now start smoking weed in public? Public places are the best places for smoking weed in.

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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Dogomush]
    #1578420 - 05/26/03 01:05 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Someone told me ottawa has abandoned its decriminalisation policy, they said they heard it on the news....

I haven't seen anything, but does anybody know whats going on?


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1579588 - 05/26/03 08:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

it was supposed to be decrim like...2 weeks ago, but then some american official came up and had a "meeting" with the government.


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    #1581078 - 05/27/03 10:11 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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OTTAWA - The federal government moved today to eliminate criminal penalties for simple possession of marijuana, but promised a tougher line against growers and dealers.
Under legislation introduced by Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, possession of up to 15 grams of pot - enough to roll about 15 or 20 joints - would be a minor offence punishable by a fine.

Youths could face fines of up to $250 for minor possession while adults could be fined $400.

Penalties could be greater if "aggravating" factors are present, including possession while driving or while on school property.

By contrast, the maximum sentence for illicit growers would be boosted to 14 years in prison from the current seven.

The penalty for trafficking would stay the same, with a maximum life sentence.

Ottawa also plans to set aside an additional $245 million for law enforcement efforts and education, information, research and treatment programs aimed at curbing drug use, especially among youths.

The Liberal government had been promising action since last fall to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana.

Pressure increased with a recent series of lower court rulings against the current federal drug law, and a constitutional challenge currently before the Supreme Court of Canada.

Cauchon, Health Minister Anne McLellan and Solicitor General Wayne Easter have all been adamant that decriminalization does not mean legalization.

"I want to be clear from the beginning: we are not legalizing marijuana and have no plans to do so," Cauchon said after introducing the bill Tuesday.

McLellan stressed that the bill is aimed at addressing the "root causes of substance abuse," not at encouraging drug use.

"Let me be very clear, we do not want Canadians to use marijuana," she said. "We especially don't want young people to use marijuana. That is why an important part of our drug strategy will focus on strong public education messages to inform Canadians of the negative health affects of marijuana.

Possession of pot, even for personal use, would still be against the law under the new regime. The legislative changes would simply eliminate the threat of jail time and a criminal record for small-time users.

All the same, the prospect of decriminalization in Canada has raised the hackles of some U.S. officials.

Paul Cellucci, the American ambassador to Ottawa, has warned of potential border snarls as U.S. customs officers pay closer attention to travellers headed south.

John Walters, director of national drug policy for the Bush administration, has characterized the Canadian marijuana trade - and especially illegal grow operations - as "out of control."

Cauchon has noted, however, that a dozen U.S. states have already done away with criminal sanctions for simple possession of pot.

On a recent trip to Washington, Cauchon assured U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft that Canada will continue to co-operate in police efforts against the illicit drug trade, organized crime and international money laundering.






It's about fucking time, eh? To me the new rules seem a little bit conflicted.  Like he wants to please both the people who hate pot (and most other personal freedoms) and the people who love pot (cance patients for whom it's a god send, literally).  But in the end, it doesnt even address the issue of what cancer patients have to do to get their meds!! they are upping the penalties for trafficing and such, but how wjere do the cancer patients get it then? :confused:

I think it's a matter of time before they go the whole 9 yards, I just think we are going to do it in baby steps.... how bout you? 


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: blink]
    #1581101 - 05/27/03 10:23 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

It's not legalization but it is a step towards it i suppose. This is one war i hope the Canadian citizens win.

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All the same, the prospect of decriminalization in Canada has raised the hackles of some U.S. officials




good, something has to. If i was a Canadian i really wouldn't care what american's hackles are raised....whatever a hackle is.


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    #1581108 - 05/27/03 10:28 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I posted it in here cause I didnt feel like opening a new thread and it was still on topic. :grin:

The US is threadtinging to tighten up the borders and such, would they in fact do this?  It seems like a vegetarian pushing their moral plate at a steak eater
"You can't make MJ decriminalized! cause then it stops being bad" and so the circular arguement ensues "its bad cause its illegal cause its bad cause its illegal cause its..... etc

I am going to light up a big fatty after school with some friends, right on the front lawn. (btw, it's not little kid school, smoking is allowed on the property) :wink: 


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    #1581140 - 05/27/03 10:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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The US is threadtinging to tighten up the borders and such, would they in fact do this?




yep..it is their right to do so but like many things that are wrong aboot our border patrol it will only last as long as america's attention span.

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While i'm not defending the opponants of MJ legalization it is STILL illegal here. Canada can become another Amsterdam and the American borders will still arrest you for bringing it over. Much like other countries if you decide to take some out of Amsterdam.

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MJ is NOT good for your health, much like tobacco. Which makes you wonder why tobacco is legal.

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I am going to light up a big fatty after school with some friends, right on the front lawn.




if you get caught you'll still get either put in jail (because i don't think this has been ratified yet) or you'll pay the fine that is stated in that article. I'll stick to my own house for now.


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    #1581163 - 05/27/03 10:50 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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    #1581175 - 05/27/03 10:55 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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The one time the cops caught me smoking pot, i was half done the J and they just took it from me and told me to leave where I was.... not quite the hard line you suggest.




that's good. If there is one thing i'd like to be wrong aboot is this.

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All I am saying is that the current legislation does not address the needs of cancer patients which, in my opinion, are the ones who need it most, and are being forgotten in the debate..




If i had cancer i'd almost dare them to put me in jail....in all actuallity i'd still probably just smoke it at home.


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    #1581186 - 05/27/03 10:59 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

agreed, home is where the pot is. :grin:


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Re: Marijuana legal in Ontario [Re: blink]
    #1581325 - 05/27/03 11:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

FUCK THIS!!!
ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH...

I ENCOURAGE EVERY CANADIAN TO SMOKE POT IN PUBLIC PLACES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND TO CONTEST ANY FINE RECIEVED. :mad:

I could already smoke a joint on the street before, but now ill be fined wheras before the cops would go finish off whatever they took.  They are going to prosecute all the suppliers with harsher sentances, but what about the increase in growing to supply the constant and growing demand?  This is just another ploy to make me feel like something good is being accomplished when really it is the opposite. :mad: :mad: :mad:


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    #1581373 - 05/27/03 12:00 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

That was my point, it doesn't sound like its legal at all. Actually that's a pretty high fine. The Hash-Bash in Ann-Harbor michigan used to be a $10 fine (state law) but got moved up to the fed. fine around $100 (i think). I'm not sure (amount of pot) what a mandatory jail sentance would be.


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    #1581598 - 05/27/03 01:36 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Well i'll abuse my right to smoke pot until i get my first fine, and contest it.....then after being forced to pay anyway, ill probably just stay out of sight.  I don't know, it just seems canada could benefit MUCH more from legalisation opposed to decriminalisation. :tongue:


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    #1581718 - 05/27/03 02:10 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Actually on second thought, im dont want to pay any fine, for any reason...... so ill just support the cause in my own way like before. :smirk:


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    #1581824 - 05/27/03 02:48 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

" I want to be clear from the beginning: we are not legalizing marijuana and have no plans to do so,"
Damn it no!

That is why an important part of our drug strategy will focus on strong public education messages to inform Canadians of the negative health affects of marijuana.
Replace "eduction" with "propaganda".

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    #1581944 - 05/27/03 03:41 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

or you could replace "eduction" with "education"


sorry....it was too easy.


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    #1582650 - 05/27/03 08:19 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.canada.com/calgary/story.asp?id=269EFCBC-66EE-4D5D-B853-591CAF560AAB

Liberals move to lighten penalties for pot users, get tough on growers

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003

OTTAWA (CP) - The Liberal government moved Tuesday to eliminate criminal penalties for simple possession of marijuana, drawing praise from lawyers, cautious support from doctors and brickbats from police, opposition MPs and some of its own backbenchers.

Under legislation introduced by Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, possession of up to 15 grams of pot - enough to roll about 15 or 20 joints - would be a minor offence that carries no criminal record.

Violators would be ticketed and ordered to pay fines ranging from $100 to $250 for youths and from $150 to $400 for adults.

People caught with between 15 and 30 grams could get the same treatment if they're lucky. But they could also, at the discretion of police, be charged in criminal court and face up to six months in jail.

While the bill would ease up on small-time users, there would be no respite for illicit growers and dealers. The maximum sentence for grow operations would be 14 years in prison, up from the current seven, with the length of term increasing in proportion to the amount grown.

The penalty for trafficking would remain unchanged - a maximum life sentence, although in practice the toughest terms handed out in recent years have been about 20 years for major dealers.

Ottawa also plans to set aside an additional $245 million over the next five years to beef up law enforcement efforts and to fund education, information, research and treatment programs aimed at curbing drug use.

Cauchon, who hopes to push his bill through Parliament by the end of the year, acknowledged the government is sending a double-edged message.

Casual pot smokers will no longer face the threat of jail, and young people won't automatically be saddled with criminal records that haunt them for life - one of the government's chief reasons for moving ahead with the changes. But toking up will still be against the law.

"I want to be clear from the beginning," said Cauchon. "We are not legalizing marijuana and have no plans to do so. What we are changing is the way we prosecute certain offences."

Health Minister Anne McLellan echoed that view as she outlined the $245-million education and enforcement plan that accompanied the new legislation.

"We do not want Canadians to use marijuana," said McLellan. "We especially don't want young people to use marijuana. That is why an important part of our drug strategy will focus on strong public education messages to inform Canadians of the negative health affects of marijuana."

The Canadian Medical Association welcomed McLellan's commitment to prevention and treatment but warned more funding will be needed.

"We can only view today's announcement as a first step," said Dr. Dana Hansen, president of the group.

The Canadian Bar Association congratulated Cauchon for his "courage and leadership" and called decriminalization of minor possession a positive move.

"The heavy hand of our criminal law should be reserved for problems that cause serious harm," said bar president Simon Potter.

But Randy White, the Canadian Alliance critic for police issues, contended the Liberals should have imposed a five-gram limit if their goal was to decriminalize possession for personal use.

White predicted that, because of the discretionary aspect of the bill, 30 grams rather than 15 will become the practical cut-off point for criminal proceedings.

"When you're talking about minor, personal possession and you're talking in the neighbourhood of 40, 50 joints on you, I doubt very much whether that is a personal possession."

Dan McTeague, one of several Liberal backbenchers uneasy at the prospect of decriminalization, said the bill has "serious deficiencies" and could leave young people with the impression it's all right to smoke dope.

He also termed the measures against growers inadequate, despite the 14-year maximum sentence.

"Everyone knows you never get the maximum," said McTeague.

Marjory LeBreton, a Conservative senator and vice-chair of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, said the legislation should not be passed until provisions against marijuana-impaired driving are strengthened.

Federal officials say anyone driving under the influence of pot can be prosecuted under the same impaired driving laws that apply to alcohol. But critics note there is no roadside breathalyser technology for marijuana and say the laws must be amended to allow police to demand blood samples.

David Griffin, spokesman for the Canadian Police Association, which represents some 28,000 rank-and-file officers across the country, called the federal initiative a "hastily put-together package that is held together by Band-Aids and duct tape."

Reaction from some provincial governments was also negative.

"This is not a harmless drug and we shouldn't be introducing this into the community for our young people to smoke," said Ontario Attorney General Norm Sterling.

British Columbia, home of the so-called B.C. Bud, was also unhappy with Ottawa's initiative.

"They don't have any idea how the tickets will be collected; they don't have any idea how the infrastructure will be set up," said B.C. Solicitor General Rich Coleman.

"They're going to spend tens of millions of dollars in advertising what they're doing and putting very little money into fighting the issues of organized crime with regards to marijuana."

Alberta Justice Minister Dave Hancock said Ottawa is on the wrong track with its reforms: "I don't think you get rid of crime by removing the crime from the books and saying it's OK now."

The spectre of decriminalization in Canada has raised the hackles of some U.S. officials as well, but Solicitor General Wayne Easter, the minister responsible for the RCMP, played down the American concerns.

"Certainly, there will be probably some reaction," said Easter. "But they understand that we do have . . . the sovereign right to make our own laws. And there is a recognition that the current laws are not working."

U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci, who has warned of potential border slowdowns as U.S. customs officers pay closer attention to travellers headed south, was not available for comment Tuesday.

Cauchon noted that a dozen U.S. states have already done away with criminal sanctions for simple possession of pot.

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    #1585010 - 05/28/03 12:42 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

"They don't have any idea how the tickets will be collected; they don't have any idea how the infrastructure will be set up," said B.C. Solicitor General Rich Coleman."

Things keep getting better and better! :grin:



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