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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: AquaKet]
#15684139 - 01/18/12 03:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Samuel L Jackson said: you know schizophrenia isnt a disorder right?
theyre just like... more aware of things, man.

yes. they perceive much more, are able to perceive in very unique/abstract ways, and have less boundaries between themselves and the rest of existence. it's generally hard for them to function in society, as the scope of their perceptions is much broader and deeper than the general population, making it hard to find common ground to socialize with. they often experience strong periods of intense awe/beauty but also strong periods of fear/depression. sometimes it is very hard for them to form a solid identity and their ego/self rapidly changes constantly.
i would know, i'm one of them.
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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: AquaKet]
#15684174 - 01/18/12 03:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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AquaKet said:
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Samuel L Jackson said: you know schizophrenia isnt a disorder right?
theyre just like... more aware of things, man.

yes. they perceive much more, are able to perceive in very unique/abstract ways, and have less boundaries between themselves and the rest of existence. it's generally hard for them to function in society, as the scope of their perceptions is much broader and deeper than the general population, making it hard to find common ground to socialize with. they often experience strong periods of intense awe/beauty but also strong periods of fear/depression. sometimes it is very hard for them to form a solid identity and their ego/self rapidly changes constantly.
i would know, i'm one of them.
sounds more like you have schizoid personality disorder than schizophrenia to me.
they sound similar, but theyre not.
then again, im not a psychiatrist, im just telling you what i think based upon what i have learned.
schizophrenia is a lot more than just being antisocial and having mood swings.
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Samuel L Jackson said:
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AquaKet said:
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Samuel L Jackson said: you know schizophrenia isnt a disorder right?
theyre just like... more aware of things, man.

yes. they perceive much more, are able to perceive in very unique/abstract ways, and have less boundaries between themselves and the rest of existence. it's generally hard for them to function in society, as the scope of their perceptions is much broader and deeper than the general population, making it hard to find common ground to socialize with. they often experience strong periods of intense awe/beauty but also strong periods of fear/depression. sometimes it is very hard for them to form a solid identity and their ego/self rapidly changes constantly.
i would know, i'm one of them.
sounds more like you have schizoid personality disorder than schizophrenia to me.
they sound similar, but theyre not.
then again, im not a psychiatrist, im just telling you what i think based upon what i have learned.
schizophrenia is a lot more than just being antisocial and having mood swings.
i'm technically diagnosed schizoaffective
the really strong schizo- symptoms seem to come and go, but i definitely experience strong delusions/paranoia/irrational fears and very bizarre states of mind somewhat frequently. haven't in a good while actually but it used to be much worse. i have the occasional audial and visual hallucinations. i used to be heavily medicated on antipsychotics but i have more or less learned to live with it and self medicate with alcohol/ benzos.
but i agree that schizophrenics perceive more. when the symptoms are occurring, it can almost feel like being on a hit of acid.
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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: Greendreams]
#15684224 - 01/18/12 03:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Greendreams said: The people saying "just get over it" don't have any idea what they're talking about, anxiety is something many people are born with so imo it would be the same as telling someone with ADD or bi-polar to "just man up and learn to deal with it." Sometimes you just can't.
Lol. Fucking bullshit bro. Kinda hilarious you'd compare mental illnesses that can't ever be fixed without NEEDING medication. Anxiety is a natural feeling, everyone has it, a fight or flight response when your body releases adrenaline/Cortisol. People with severe anxiety disorders view most things (stuff normal people do without thought) as threats and so this creates the problem. Something happens, you avoid it and avoid, it gets worse, it develops further.
Common symptoms: Thinking your problem is unique and unrecoverable. Making excuses to avoid doing something you feel a threat. Exaggerating problems to use as an excuse. Self-meditation of drugs.
Anxiety develops from a traumatic event (years of school bullying, bad childhood, etc. could be something someone sees as silly) Are people born with anxiety? No. Are certain people more prone to it? Probably.
Text book anxiety guys Edit mobile is fucking up, can't write anymore nor see the text below this You'j re no different from the millions of people who have severe anxiety, you'd
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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: daz01]
#15684242 - 01/18/12 03:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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then why did we spend multiple weeks specifically on anxiety related psychological disorders when i took abnormal psychology.
oh yea, because its not a real problem. its just something normal that everyone experiences.
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Samuel L Jackson said: oh yea, because its not a real problem. its just something normal that everyone experiences.

reading comprehension and/or troll.
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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: daz01]
#15684265 - 01/18/12 04:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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i wasnt trolling
everyone does experience anxiety.
not everyone experiences anxiety that inhibits their ability to function normally.
if you had a good response to my statement you would say something which would attempt to defend your response instead of calling me a troll and saying nothing else.
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I think you're trolling because you're unable to grasp simple concepts and I seen no point in giving an answer. Anxiety is a psychological disorder, its a damn life changing, debilitating mental illness that I personally have experienced throughout ten years of my life and its the reason I picked that sector as my future career. My point is, its a mental illness that CAN be cured without depending on drugs for the rest of your life, people just need to realise that, living your life with anxiety is hellish and the process is slow (unlike medication that's instantiate) and you truly do need to try, not just give up and not run back to your cave, that it can be done and the longer you avoid and hide from your anxiety, the worse it gets.
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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: daz01]
#15684316 - 01/18/12 04:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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anxiety its self is not a psychological disorder.
you wont go far with your future career if you really think that.
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Thehehehe. Dat sneaky troll.
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WakeboardrB said: People that don't think certain mental disorders are real really fucking get under my skin. They think that if it isn't physical or visible causing pain, it isn't real. 
I know i'll get a massive amount of shit for this, but do you not see that labeling something as a disorder only reinforces that it is?
people have different brain chemistry, i'm not doubting that, but we have this this narrow spectrum of acceptable standards for mental health that is kind of troubling if you ask me.
i just think our nature of labeling everything as a disorder doesn't really help in the end. the fact that a fairly large percentage of people today are labeled as having mental "disorders" tends to show that we don't even have an idea of what "mental order" is.
Check out this excerpt from brave new world revisited:
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Our "increasing mental sickness" may find expression in neurotic symptoms. These symptoms are conspicuous and extremely distressing. But "let us beware," says Dr. Fromm, "of defining mental hygiene as the prevention of symptoms. Symptoms as such are not our enemy, but our friend; where there are symptoms there is conflict, and conflict always indicates that the forces of life which strive for integration and happiness are still fighting." The really hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted, still cherish "the illusion of individuality," but in fact they have been to a great extent deindividualized. Their conformity is developing into something like uniformity. But "uniformity and freedom are incompatible. Uniformity and mental health are incompatible too. . . . Man is not made to be an automaton, and if he becomes one, the basis for mental health is destroyed."
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Re: About to try phenazepam for my first time [Re: wildchild68]
#15686783 - 01/19/12 04:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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WakeboardrB said: People that don't think certain mental disorders are real really fucking get under my skin. They think that if it isn't physical or visible causing pain, it isn't real. 
I know i'll get a massive amount of shit for this, but do you not see that labeling something as a disorder only reinforces that it is?
people have different brain chemistry, i'm not doubting that, but we have this this narrow spectrum of acceptable standards for mental health that is kind of troubling if you ask me.
i just think our nature of labeling everything as a disorder doesn't really help in the end. the fact that a fairly large percentage of people today are labeled as having mental "disorders" tends to show that we don't even have an idea of what "mental order" is.
Check out this excerpt from brave new world revisited:
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Our "increasing mental sickness" may find expression in neurotic symptoms. These symptoms are conspicuous and extremely distressing. But "let us beware," says Dr. Fromm, "of defining mental hygiene as the prevention of symptoms. Symptoms as such are not our enemy, but our friend; where there are symptoms there is conflict, and conflict always indicates that the forces of life which strive for integration and happiness are still fighting." The really hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted, still cherish "the illusion of individuality," but in fact they have been to a great extent deindividualized. Their conformity is developing into something like uniformity. But "uniformity and freedom are incompatible. Uniformity and mental health are incompatible too. . . . Man is not made to be an automaton, and if he becomes one, the basis for mental health is destroyed."
I'll be the first to agree that certain mental health disorders are vastly over diagnosed. It's unfortunate and frustrating, since it tends to take credibility away from those that are actually suffering.
My definition of a disorder is rather simple. If it affects your day to day life in a negative way and prevents you from doing or participating in regular every day things, it's a disorder.
For me it's been extreme depression and panic disorder with over a dozen full blown panic attacks leading to mild to moderate agoraphobia. It caused me to withdrawal from all of my friends, leave several jobs because I just couldn't bring myself to be around people and even agoraphobia where I wouldn't leave the house for days or weeks at a time. While I was in school I suffered heavily with anxiety and pretty severe undiagnosed ADHD Type II inattentive and suffered pretty badly. Even though I tested among the top 50 highest in SOL tests and the top 20-30 on my SAT's (out of a class of over 500), my grades were terrible.
Psychiatry is far from a perfect medical field and my doctor will be the first to admit that. But he does his best with the tools and knowledge from over 30 years in the practice. To be honest, he's the first doctor I've been to in nearly 20 years (I'm 27) that has listened to me and set out an appropriate and effective treatment plan for me instead of pushing the supposed latest and greatest pill that his pharma rep just dropped off. Took me about a dozen psychiatrists to find that one rare one that actually does any good.
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