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What can happen on high dosages?
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Im planning to trip in the dark. My last flush seems to be bigger than I thought , and so Im thinking about tripping on more than 6 grams. Would recommend this? What would I experience?
Ive only taken shrooms with other people, so have always been distracted from closed-eye visuals, or have never had the time to "see" them.
The only "strong trip" experience Ive had, was in MC Donalds, where I suddenly heared Techno-music very clearly, as if it was in the air. When I closed my eyes, I saw oriental women, and heared spiritual music. I was quite awe struck of that, and want to experience this longer, than there.
Do you think more than 6 is too much , or manageable? (Im usually very resistant, and have compareably lower trips, as other people from the same dosage)
thx,
Jazz


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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you will DIE,,...j/k...never done it


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: SHiZNO]
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I have taken large doses on quite a few occasions, my most 13g , the trip was not visual really, except for the CEV's when inhaling butyl-nitrate, but the effect on my mind was immense. I was crawling round my bedroom with only the TV for light talking to myself about the tree people, I could not understand why humans live in houses with computers and stuff and have jobs when we could all just live in trees. It sounds blatantly stupid but at the time I truly believed it, it was if my personality was completely taken over by that of a strange old man who wanted to live in a tree. Looking back it was very enjoyable, and very profound, I would say go for it. But make sure your enviroment is safe and familiar and if in any doubt, which IMHO is the main cause of people losing it as they question whether they have taken too much or that they are gonna remain insane etc get a close friend to watch or even restrain you should things get out of hand.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: st0nedphucker]
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hey dude stop giving bad info.

your "13grams" , were they wet?


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: OctopusDr]
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No they were dry. What do you mean bad information, my friends and I often take doses of at least 8g of DRY shrooms. One often eats more mushrooms than I eat in a month. Perhaps the next time I go picking I should dry them out and take pictures of the scales and get someone to take photos of us dosing to satisfy your disbelief


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: st0nedphucker]
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Did you get my PM?


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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Above a certain level the dosage doesn't really make any difference. Leary found that when he gave people 2-3000 mikes and told them it was 250 mikes there was no difference in the effect. The brain only has so many receptors - beyond a certain dose there's no difference. There may well be an effect cos you're thinking "I took a huge dose, i must have a brainfart of a trip" but that's all. If i could give you 15 dried grams and tell you it was 3 you more than likely would't even notice. It might last a bit longer because there's more psilocybin floating around in your system but that's about it.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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thats an interesting thought. So, you say that if I think the trip will be low-dose, it will. Would this probably explain, why I seem to be the one out of my group of trippers, who is able to communicate with the "outer-world" the best? On shrooms, Im always focused on getting everything organized, and not freaking out too much. If i?d let myself "go" a little more, would the trip be more enticing?


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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Not sure if you can fool yourself with mushrooms tho. I don't think it'll work if you take 10 dried grams and then consciously try and tell yourself you only took 3.

I've never found big doses to be that different to small doses really - maybe you notice more of a physical effect, maybe it lasts an extra hour. I've never found psychedelics to be like alcohol - where if you have 3 pints you're fine and if you have 15 you're wrecked.

As I say the only experiment i know of - where Leary was giving people enormous doses of LSD when they thought they were getting an average dose - he said none of them ever noticed any difference.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Yeah, but I don't think 6 grams is over that point yet, but hell if I know.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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That is a false statement!

I can tell you very good that a 3g, 5g, 7g, 9g, etc trip is progressively getting MUCH heavier. Your system may get saturated with the key chemicals at some point, but not at dosages that low. With LSD its another story...although reading Chinacat's thumbprint experience, its clear that the saturation point can be pushed majorly.

"If i could give you 15 dried grams and tell you it was 3 you more than likely would't even notice"

Thats just blasphemy! If you gave him 15g he would probably be rolling around on the floor mumbling to himself with dried saliva all over himself perhaps acting as an alien entity. If you gave him 3 grams he would say "Whoa, thats trippy man." as he watched the language get sucked into itself.

As for Jazzmatazz - I STRONGLY suggest a 7g trip alone...for starters. That was how i started, and i havent passed it yet, but that trip was groundbreaking, although scary and very uncomfortable at times, it was very very memorable in a positive light.
What can happen on High dosages? you'll lose your own conciousness, realize everything youve ever known is probably false, get scared, feel great, feel like shit, realize alot but never be able to explain what, get swallowed up whole by the world of stimuli and spit back out with a sacred knowledge of something on your shoulders.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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What can happen on High dosages? you'll lose your own conciousness, realize everything youve ever known is probably false, get scared, feel great, feel like shit, realize alot but never be able to explain what, get swallowed up whole by the world of stimuli and spit back out with a sacred knowledge of something on your shoulders.


mmh,I think I should do this in a friends house, rather than at home. The prob is , that he wont understand , that I wanna be alone...
Due you think I could trip at 12 midnight , and then just trip till 5 and go to sleep?


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: JazzMatazz]
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I think on 7g you would trip longer that 5hrs. I dont think I would sleep untill 7-8am if I started at 12am.  Maybe longer.  So it depends on what you have planned for the next day.

Your friend's house?  You know it all depends.  You know the guy better than we do.  I know I wouldnt want to be messed with on such a high dose.  I wouldnt feel comfortable interacting with someone who wasnt at the same level as me.  But Ive never dosed that high(what 7g?) so if youre going to try it tell us how it goes. :cool: 


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: OctopusDr]
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I would advise against doing it at your friends house, being alone is part of what makes the experience, maybe lower the dosage down to 5g your first time alone or something. I think if you have pot you could be out by 7am, or maybe just pull an all nighter and refect upon your trip. When i was on 7g, dosed at 9pm and was asleep by about 3am, absolutely exhausted and satisfied.
Also, dont play on the computer, or the tv or anything...maybe some slow easy listening music in a dark atmosphere, or nothing at all in the pure dark...TV and Computers and overly manufactured music and the like feel very "dirty".


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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That is a false statement!

No it isn't!  :laugh:

Thats just blasphemy! If you gave him 15g he would probably be rolling around on the floor mumbling to himself with dried saliva all over himself perhaps acting as an alien entity. If you gave him 3 grams he would say "Whoa, thats trippy man." as he watched the language get sucked into itself.

I've had far more powerful experiences on 3 dried grams than 10-15 dried grams. Personally i find the intensity peaks at around 3-5 grams. Anymore than that doesn't make a whole bunch of difference - obviously the placebo effect may kick in because you're thinking "Big dose - all other drugs are "stronger" if you take a big dose so psilocybin must be too". Psilocybin isn't like alcohol. 


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Why don't we say it's subjective and leave it at that.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: thelox]
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It is much easier to overdo it with mushrooms than it is with LSD. Personally I think high doses are overrated (at least on a regular basis). Respect the mushroom, respect your body and things should go well. I don't consider 6 grams a rediculous dose, though you might want to work up to that if you've never done it alone. I really like going solo, but some people need social interaction for a good trip. Figure this out before you start pulling psychonautical voyages, not everybody's Terrence McKenna and not everyone needs to be. I think this kind of experimentation is taken too lightly by some people (I'm not talking about anyone in here)... It has real consequences, both positive and negative, on your life. DRUGS ARE NOT TOYS.

I ain't preaching, so please don't take it that way. I just think that any discussion of high dose trips should keep this in mind. High doses solo can be a very good match, but I imagine that it could just as well be a bad one. I don't know anyone who would want to this on a regular basis, it seems to be pretty self-limiting but there's always that ONE guy...
Please don't be that guy.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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As I say the only experiment i know of - where Leary was giving people enormous doses of LSD when they thought they were getting an average dose - he said none of them ever noticed any difference. 


Thats very subjective. Try taking 250mcg. and two weeks later eat two sheets(20,000mcg) and tell me there's no difference. Read the thumbprint thread. Leary said alot of things. I love the man but alot of his ideas and info were flat out wrong.
Your statement about him giving enormous amounts of LSD and they were thinking it was an average hit is flawed. If this saturation theory were true , a person recieving a enormous dose would be saturated therefore they would'nt be thinking they were getting a "average hit". What your trying to say is a person recieving a average dose would be thinking they got an enormous dose. But again the saturation theory is flawed.

As for mushrooms 3 grams and 15 grams is a completely different trip. I can tell a difference between 3 gram and 6 grams let alone 3 and 15. I'll pm Whiterasta and have him coment on high dose mushroom trips. I know he has eaten about an ounce before and it was alot more intense than 3 grams. He also has eaten LSD crystal(thumbprint) and can elaborate as I have on the difference between 250mcg. and stiking your thumb in pure LSD crystal.

To the person who started this thread. Go to the pub and search for the thread called "The Thumbprint" or just do a search for ego-death and read what happens at higher doses of psychedelics. Alot of people have posted on this. :grin: 


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: chinacat72]
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Try taking 250mcg. and two weeks later eat two sheets(20,000mcg) and tell me there's no difference.

That's not the same thing. The key is if you think you're getting 250ug you don't notice any difference if it's 2000ug.

If this saturation theory were true , a person recieving a enormous dose would be saturated therefore they would'nt be thinking they were getting a "average hit".

No, if saturation point is at 250-500ug then it doesn't matter if you get 3000, you'll still think it's 250ug.

As for mushrooms 3 grams and 15 grams is a completely different trip. I can tell a difference between 3 gram and 6 grams let alone 3 and 15.

Well as I say, i've had more powerful experiences on 3 grams than 15. Psychedelics arn't like beer. And it's next to impossible to take twice as many mushrooms without knowing it so you can't rule out the placebo effect.

Why would Leary lie about people being unable to distuingish between 250 and 2000ug?


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Who knows, but its easy to find lots of evidence proving what you say otherwise. Just look at "the thumbprint" thread and everything you say is proven false. I think nearly anyone could distinguish between 250 and 2000ug's its the difference between possibly laying on the floor talking to material items, or seeing melty walls and feeling "profound".


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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im not sure exact doses but i person i know ate half oz and he said he was complitly out of this world and felt his body almost stop. couldnt walk or talk or anything just lay there. another person i know nto i very swift cat ate about a oz. he was wounderign around the city goign to hsi friends houses askign for the remedy he also asked his father for it. haha quite strange.

EDIT:  mj please pm me. thanks :confused:


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Try taking 250mcg. and two weeks later eat two sheets(20,000mcg) and tell me there's no difference.

That's not the same thing. The key is if you think you're getting 250ug you don't notice any difference if it's 2000ug.

If this saturation theory were true , a person recieving a enormous dose would be saturated therefore they would'nt be thinking they were getting a "average hit".

No, if saturation point is at 250-500ug then it doesn't matter if you get 3000, you'll still think it's 250ug.

Why would Leary lie about people being unable to distuingish between 250 and 2000ug? 


In your statement you said Leary said people getting a enormous dose thought it was average. Can't you see the error in this statement. Lets assume that an Average dose is one that is not fully "saturated". An enormous dose would completely saturate you. So how could you get completely saturated off a dose that doesn't completely saturate your receptors? Thats what your saying when you say an average dose is no different than a enormous dose.

As for Leary lying. Leary isn't a lier. He was a very beautiful ,well intentioned man in a pivatol place in history. He made many mistakes, but so would any person put in his shoes. His research may not have been able to tell the difference between 250mcg and 2000. I don't think he intentionaly lied  ever about anything.

Ask anyone who has ever taken a huge dose of LSD(10,000+mcg.) if it's different than 250mcg. I assure you that they can tell the difference. A huge fuckin difference. As Whiterasta said in the thumbprint thread at huge doses LSD starts acting on other neurotransmitter receptor systems other than the normal ones it effects. I know alot of people from tour who have eaten massive doses of LSD and every one of them felt it was more powerful than 500mcg. By far more powerful.

Since going off info from folks off the net is skeptical I propose a test.
A blind non-placebo test. Take two bottles of water. Have a trusted friend put 250mcg. of liquid LSD in one bottle. Have him put 20,000mcg. in the other. Have him mark them so he knows what they contain, but not tell you. Take them home and drink one then two weeks later drink the other. At both times have your friend be there as a sitter(your going to need it for the 20,000mcg.) I would bet my wife,house, and kids that you will definatly know which one contained the 20,000mcg. In fact you would know it very quickly.
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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Son, at high doses of psilocybin one easily can piss ones pants, a physical effect that does not occur at low doses as the dose goes up then one may easily shit ones self.Tactile and kinaesthetic resposes become ovewhelmed by synaethesia and normal urges are combined into other feelings and one quite often can awaken in a pile of ones own fluids from ounce dosages of quality mushrooms.And I can say this from experience;)Psilocybin and psilocin may be almost harmless but the mushroom itself will spank you for abusing it.IMO at excesssive dosages it's other protiens and components become influential to the experience(if you eat an ounce of anything your tummy is no longer empty)and I believe there to be undigestable protiens in the fruit body whose gastric distress while on fully involved dosages can also lead to diarreah which if happens during the peak of the experience will bathe you in your own feces.The fact that this during the experience is not as horrible as it sounds should indicate there is a large difference in dosage response:grin: WR


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: chinacat72]
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Ask anyone who has ever taken a huge dose of LSD(10,000+mcg.) if it's different than 250mcg. I assure you that they can tell the difference. A huge fuckin difference.

I don't know anyone who'se ever done any research like the stuff Leary did. I've no doubt if you tell someone you are going to give them a massive dose they will have a massive trip. All we know is when Leary was giving very experienced LSD trippers blind doses none of them had a clue as to the size of the dose beyond a certain point.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: ]
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If you ate 15g dry and werent out of your mind you ate some shitty ass mushrooms for real.

Nope. The best. High doses of cubensis and 3-400 Cyans at a time. I was told very early that "psychedelics arn't like beer" as regards dosage so I was never in awe of high doses. But you have to learn that by varying your dose with an open mind. It's no use sitting there thinking "I just took 8 grams dude the rooms gonna like melt".


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: whiterasta]
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whose gastric distress while on fully involved dosages can also lead to diarreah which if happens during the peak of the experience will bathe you in your own feces

Welp, I've never shit myself yet rasta. And i've taken some pretty hefty doses  :smile:


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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3 of my friends have pissed themselves and on occasion eachother at doses around 8g, however out of the people who took this dose that is a small percentage. For the people who did lose control of their bladder this was their first experience and theres no way i would recommend anyone to take such a amount for their first trip. But I don't know any experienced trippers who crap or piss themselves at these doses, and to be honest I dont really wanna know them....


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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If your confident in your belief of saturation effect please do the experiment I listed above. Then get back to us.

Leary may not have been able to tell the difference between 500mcg. and 2000mcg. but he should have tried 500mcg. and 20,000mcg. He would have had a much different outlook as far as saturation.

Hey Whiterasta- can you tell the difference between 500mcg. and a thumbprint. I know I sure as hell can. :grin: 


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Thanks [Re: chinacat72]
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Well... thanks for your lively, and controversial discussion!
I will dry the shrooms, and wait till my own house is empty for a day, and then go for 6gr.
As for the flaming: Feel free to discuss, but try and keep it polite, k?
thx,
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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: chinacat72]
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If your confident in your belief of saturation effect please do the experiment I listed above. Then get back to us.

Unfortunately I don't have any LSD handy. I do believe the brain has a limited number of receptors for the LSD to bond with and that the brain adapts to psychedelic experiences, which is why your first trips are usually the most remarkable.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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I believe that that brain changes its chemistry slightly to, rather than adapt to psychedelics, accomadate them, but thats hear nor there. Many people have reported very much the opposite of what your debating (saturation) while you are citing a single faulted reference who may have had faults in his testings and most certainly his conclusions at times. No one should doubt the power of the placebo, but you seem to come off as doubting the power of psychedelic mushrooms.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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YEAH CHINA FOR SURE!!!! 500 was a pedestrian dose. In my day we floated around 1000 -1500 for surfing and school( Alex here is where tolerance DOES manifest) and did multiples of that for beyond effects.As I said in large amounts the dopaminergenic and noradrenaline systems are activated. As for Shrooms in high doses they WILL CAUSE LOSS OF BLADDER/BOWEL CONTROL, just like a dose of acid we used to call a "drooler".It varied in amount from person to person but most folks have a dosage in which they will become unaware of their bodies and drooling pissing and shitting happen.This is one of the main reasons for fasting folks, so you don't dump on yourself while trying to puke.If you have experienced a sweatlodge cerimony this would be more clear.Or if you had experienced a Megadose of LSD.
More succicntly if you still are aware of the need to shit your ego is intact and you ain't there yet.

Disclaimer; WR does not now or ever has endorsed pissing and shitting oneself. If it happens one should not become attached to the experience and clean up as soon as awareness returns:grin:
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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: whiterasta]
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HA HA :grin:

Classic my friend.
I'm going to save that post. :laugh: 


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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Many people have reported very much the opposite of what your debating

No, they've stated that when they know they're taking a big dose they have a big trip. I'm sure that happens. But that's a completly different situation to not knowing what dosage you're taking. As far as I'm aware that's only been examined once - the results were people couldn't distuingish above a dose in the 250-500ug level.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: whiterasta]
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You sure about this theory that shrooms make you shit yourself? You sure you're not confusing it with ayahuasca? How big a dose are you talking? No-one you know has taken anything like 3-400 cyans have they? I never had the slightest inclination to take a dump.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Talking number of shrooms is apples to oranges, but ill see what WR says.


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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That you had no inclination says you retained self sense. Ego loss is just that a loss of self usually including a loss of the sense of a physical body.In the absence of control simple peristalsis will cause evacuation or spontaneous release of bladder control.Hells bells Alex I've seen some one piss themselves on 5 grams(in a fit of laughter) Now don't get me wrong I AM NOT SAYING DO THIS TO SEE FOR YOUR SELF,but I am saying that if you have not experienced a complete loss of self awareness then you have not been to where these things occur.
I would add that these type of experiences are traditionaly only induced once as a rite of passage except by the shamen who guide the experiences.And no I am NOT confusing Huasca with simple Psilocybe,Huasca nausea is akin to peyote nausea, although Huasca can cause loss of control also.Peyote is perhaps the only hallucinogenic in which defecation occurs as a side effect of the vomiting process as opposed to a loss of sensory input and control.

PS(THIS IS A JOKE!) too many tight white asses in an anal retentive society!
FREE THE DOODOO!
(oops I think the doodoo is already rising about my knees.)
Be cool Alex.I am not dissing your opinions just telling what I've experienced.
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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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My acid experience pales in comparison to some of you, but I'd like to add that I experienced an ego (and bladder) death on a mere 3 hits (<300 mics?). I would call this a high dose or "level 5" only relative to myself. I think it shows how variable our tolerances can be.

By the way, I think I peed myself as a function OF ego death. I didn't have any intention of ego loss before the trip; it just became apparent at some point that I needed to "die". Once I finally embraced this and let everything go, I relaxed my entire body including my bladder. It was the last thing I remember, as "me".

I was shocked when I "woke up" (from some eternal swirling vortex), evidently a few hours later, with urine-soaked pants. I imagine this might have happened because in the first hour or two of tripping I was drinking a lot of water.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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Many people have reported very much the opposite of what your debating

No, they've stated that when they know they're taking a big dose they have a big trip. I'm sure that happens. But that's a completly different situation to not knowing what dosage you're taking. As far as I'm aware that's only been examined once - the results were people couldn't distuingish above a dose in the 250-500ug level. 


Thats crazy. Your giving to much power to placebo. Read the thumbprint thread. I talk about a friend of mine who ate some LSD crystal without any knowlege of it's strength or power. He had eaten 1000mcg. many times before and beleived this would be no different. This trip ended his LSD taking career. He was blasted apart. I have seen this happen with everyone who does a print. We think were ready and it will be no different and then it bitchslaps us into eternity.

Until you try it yourself you'll be sceptical and still base your view on a book by a very wonderful man who wrote alot of things that wern't true(not purposefully).
I base my view off of 20 years experiance of LSD use and watching thousands of people's reactions to LSD on 8 years of touring with the Grateful Dead.
As I said before, I would bet my house, and kids that you would be floored by the difference between 250mcg. and 20'000mcg.(not 2000mcg.).
Until you do this ,it's futile to argue this anymore.

Whiterasta- that book we were talking about is sounding like a better idea every day. When i'm out in Oregon this summer lets toss some idea's around. I know a bunch of family in Eugene thats been printed that would probably be willing to share. Especially if they heard that there were actually people who believed that there's no difference between 250mcg. and a nice chunk of white fluff crystal. :wink: 


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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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I, like everyone else, am not quite sure what makes a person trip 'harder' at one time compared to another. 7-8 grams dried (fat quarters) are what I take when I try to trip hard, but my most intense trips where twice on 3 grams and once on 5 grams. why? different strains? different environments? mental states? no one really knows.

I think that it has to do mostly with experience/ life events.

I'll tell you that what happens when you really get off is alot weirder than you can possibly expect before hand, so it doesn't do all that much good to 'prepare' yourself. Having a sitter or going to the countryside won't keep you from hurting yourself if you can't handle it.

It's all about wanting to learn, ergo keeping your wits about you- - not necessarily in a real world kind of way, but going with the flow of the trip while still trying to comprehend the significance of what's going on. After you've forgotten that you've taken a drug, forgotten who you are, what you are, etc, all you have is either a desire to understand or a desire to stop understanding, i.e death.

You'll likely communicate with some kind of ethereal entities, some kind and some cruel. You might find your 'darker' half step out of your body and mock you. you may find yourself surfing on the energy pathway of the universe. you may talk to real people who you love but are gone.

whatever happens, at least in my experience, it doesn't happen again, so make sure that you are cogent enough to construct some kind of story out of the experience, with a somewhat clear structure - this is so you can find a resolution at the end. If not, you'll turn into a babbering moron instead of an at peace holy man. Either way, moron or peaceful, it'll wear off over time, so all you'll really have is the memory, so if you want something lasting, it'll have to be a story that tells about what you found - - in essence, a personal supplement to faith.


So.... eat away, if you live at home with the parents, start tripping at 12 - whatever happens, you'll be out of it enough not to freak anyone out by 5-6. you might still be technically "tripping" till 7-8-9, but compared to the crazy peak, you'll feel normal.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Malachi]
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The most I've ever dosed for a single shroom trip was 9.5 grams of freshly dried Mazatapec powder. I experienced complete ego loss and was "gone" for at least two hours of the trip. During the blow up, however, I got really nauseated and had to puke. That's the only time I got sick to my stomach on cubensis. After puking I simply drew a hot bath and crawled in to soak and ride out the trip. Was home alone...dosed at 11:30pm...puked around 1am...came "back" around 3am and remained completely at peace with myself and my surroundings in the bathroom until 5:30am. I could have done without the rough experience of getting sick while tripping that hard...but once I puked, the rest of the experience was pure bliss. The calm abiding I experienced once I returned from ego loss was beyond words and only meditators and trippers who have been there can understand...I also resolved several internal issues that night regarding my relationship to my Mother and really developed a profound love for her that night. It was the best shroom trip of my life.

Happy dosing...and as with all things in life, be safe, make informed decisions and respect yourself.

Love & Light,

Boppity

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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"Why would Leary lie about people being unable to distuingish between 250 and 2000ug?"

You don't seem to take into consideration that maybe the people lied to leary. (Not wanting to admit it hit them so hard... recently I started smoking pot again after about a year off. Having no tolerance, I just find the natural thing to do is try to hide how blazed I am from my friends with huge tolerances.)

Or the possibility of a reverse placebo effect.

This experiment would be much better if people were given two doses on different days and not told which was which.


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"A nation's hope of lasting peace cannot be firmly based upon any race in armaments but rather upon just relations and honest understanding with all other nations...

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed... The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people..."

President Dwight Eisenhower, 1953

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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That is a false statement!

I can tell you very good that a 3g, 5g, 7g, 9g, etc trip is progressively getting MUCH heavier.


The point Alex123 is making is that the subjects were taking these doses blind. If you didn't know how many mushrooms you were taking, or truly believed you were only taking the equivalent of psilocin extracted from 5g but were actually given 25g worth, you might not notice. It is possible that simply because you knew you were taking a larger dose, that the trip got more intense.

Even more to the point though, Alex123 did not specify an upper limit of mushroom doses. Perhaps the effects plateau at 30g dry.

My opinion is that this person should not take this dose alone. Have a trip sitter.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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Pardon my last reply, I notice that Alex123 did suggest the upper limit. I do not support his claims, but I accept the point he is trying to make as valid.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: thelox]
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Why don't we say it's subjective and leave it at that.




That thought alone could end conversation as we know it!


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