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OfflineJonow
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Re: What gives? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15687403 - 01/19/12 09:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

There's already a considerable amount of government interference with the internet, in fact, this bill may be just to justify actions they've been taking for years now.

Regardless if it passes, it won't stop the pirates, it'll make them more sophisticated.

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Re: What gives? [Re: Jonow]
    #15687430 - 01/19/12 09:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

here's a piece by Seth Godin: (hope you don't mind me shoe-horning it in)

Why not ban digital cameras?

Kodak declared bankruptcy this week. Legislation to ban digital cameras could have saved this company, a “jobs creator,” pillar of the community and long-time wonderful brand. One wonders why they didn’t make the effort? Would you have lobbied for that bill?

A friend tells a story about Kodak. Apparently, they had 59 buildings on the site that made film. As the film business started to shrink, the obvious thing for Kodak to do was to shrink as well, to reduce overhead, to become more nimble. The CEO said, “look out at those buildings and answer this question for me: How many steps are involved in making film?”

The answer, of course, was 59. Slowly shrinking wasn’t an option. The overhang was too large, it was going to take a leap, not a gradual series of steps. And that’s why the future is uncomfortable for most successful industrialists, including those in the media business.

It’s interesting to note that the only people who are in favor of SOPA and PIPA are people who are paid to be in favor of it. And creators (authors like me and Clay Shirky and Scott Adams) aren’t. While the folks at the “Copyright Alliance” pretend to be looking out for the interests of independent filmmakers and authors, the fact is that the only paying members of their lobbying group seem to be big corporations, corporations that aren’t worried about creators, they’re worried about profits. Given a choice between a great film and a profitable one, they’d pick the profitable one every time. Given the choice between paying net profits to creators and adjusting the accounting…

Anyway, back to the future:

The leap to a new structure is painful for successful industries precisely because they’re successful. In book publishing, the carefully constructed system of agents, advances, copyeditors, printers, scarcity, distributors, sales calls, bestseller lists, returns and lunches is threatened by the new regime of the long tail, zero marginal cost and ebook readers with a central choke point. The problem with getting from one place to another is that you need to shut down building 59, and it’s hard to do that while the old model is still working, at least a little bit.

Just about all the people who lost their jobs in Rochester meant well and worked hard and did their jobs well. They need to blame the senior management of Kodak, the ones who were afraid of the future and hoped it would go away. There are more pictures being taken more often by more people than ever before–Kodak leadership couldn’t deal with their overhang and was so in love with their success that they insisted the world change in their favor, as opposed to embracing the future that was sure to arrive.

Please understand that the destruction of the music business had no impact at all on the amount of music available, and little that I can see on the quality of that music either. Musicians just want to make music, thanks very much, and they’ll find a way to make a living gigging in order to do so. The destruction of the film business in Rochester is going to have very little impact on people’s ability to take photos. The destruction of the New York publishing establishment will make me sad, and they/we should hustle, but it’s not going to have much impact on the number of books that are written.

Before we rush to the most draconian solution we can think of to save the status quo, I think it’s worth considering what the function of the threatened industry is, and whether we can achieve that function more directly now that the future is arriving.

Check out this short TED video from Clay Shirky. Especially the first minute, the middle 90 seconds and the last one as well.


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Re: What gives? [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #15687466 - 01/19/12 09:48 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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OoBYCoO said:Remember RR, people where pirating way BEFORE the internet.



I remember recording radio onto cassette tapes haha oh how the times have changed.


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Re: What gives? [Re: Shroom_Goon]
    #15687493 - 01/19/12 09:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

haha yeah the top 40 mixtape :smile:

do you remember this? 


if you want a brief history of the Media industries attempt to clamp down on people sharing, and where it could be headed, check this:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/defend_our_freedom_to_share_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html


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Re: What gives? [Re: Shroom_Goon]
    #15687494 - 01/19/12 09:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroom_Goon said:
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OoBYCoO said:Remember RR, people where pirating way BEFORE the internet.



I remember recording radio onto cassette tapes haha oh how the times have changed.



Don't Copy that Floppy!


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Re: What gives? [Re: Shroom_Goon]
    #15688581 - 01/19/12 02:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroom_Goon said:
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OoBYCoO said:Remember RR, people where pirating way BEFORE the internet.



I remember recording radio onto cassette tapes haha oh how the times have changed.



Remember the uproar when VCR's came out?!?!?  The media giants tried squashing that too!

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Re: What gives? [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #15688666 - 01/19/12 03:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

OoBYCoO said:
Quote:

Shroom_Goon said:
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OoBYCoO said:Remember RR, people where pirating way BEFORE the internet.



I remember recording radio onto cassette tapes haha oh how the times have changed.



Remember the uproar when VCR's came out?!?!?  The media giants tried squashing that too!



Lol, Remember this one:
Quote:

Jack Valenti said:
I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone


He actually said that to congress!!!!!

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Re: What gives? [Re: VC_Skittles]
    #15688978 - 01/19/12 04:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Does this bill take into consideration those who are subjects of Kleptomania?

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Re: What gives? [Re: uncle bobo] * 1
    #15689123 - 01/19/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:kimjongil: move this shit to the pub!!! time to grow some mushrooms.


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Re: What gives? [Re: uncle bobo]
    #15689699 - 01/19/12 07:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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uncle bobo said:
:kimjongil: move this shit to the pub!!! time to grow some mushrooms.



Probably a good idea.

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Re: What gives? [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #15689741 - 01/19/12 07:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone watching the pube debate?  They're debating SOPA right now....

....AND EVERYONE OF THEM GAVE IT THE RIGHT ANSWER!  :thumbdown:

...FOR THE RIGHT REASONS!

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Re: What gives? [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #15691488 - 01/20/12 04:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

the pube debate?



why do we not have that in the UK?

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Re: What gives? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #15691498 - 01/20/12 04:51 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

TPB press release.

Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would "do for the eye what the phonograph does for
the ear". He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person
to own the copyright to a motion picture.

Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call
Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.
There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them - like
Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they
circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works,
without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they're all successful and most of the
studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations - it's all based on being
able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules.

The reason they are always complainting about "pirates" today is simple. We've done what they did. We circumvented the
rules they created and created our own. We crushed their monopoly by giving people something more efficient. We allow
people to have direct communication between eachother, circumventing the profitable middle man, that in some cases take
over 107% of the profits (yes, you pay to work for them).
It's all based on the fact that we're competition.
We've proven that their existance in their current form is no longer needed. We're just better than they are.

And the funny part is that our rules are very similar to the founding ideas of the USA. We fight for freedom of speech.
We see all people as equal. We believe that the public, not the elite, should rule the nation. We believe that laws
should be created to serve the public, not the rich corporations.

The Pirate Bay is truly an international community. The team is spread all over the globe - but we've stayed out of the
USA. We have Swedish roots and a swedish friend said this:
The word SOPA means "trash" in Swedish. The word PIPA means "a pipe" in Swedish. This is of course not a coincidence.
They want to make the internet inte a one way pipe, with them at the top, shoving trash through the pipe down to the
rest of us obedient consumers.
The public opinion on this matter is clear. Ask anyone on the street and you'll learn that noone wants to be fed with
trash. Why the US government want the american people to be fed with trash is beyond our imagination but we hope that
you will stop them, before we all drown.

SOPA can't do anything to stop TPB. Worst case we'll change top level domain from our current .org to one of the
hundreds of other names that we already also use. In countries where TPB is blocked, China and Saudi Arabia springs to
mind, they block hundreds of our domain names. And did it work? Not really.
To fix the "problem of piracy" one should go to the source of the problem. The entertainment industry say they're
creating "culture" but what they really do is stuff like selling overpriced plushy dolls and making 11 year old girls
become anorexic. Either from working in the factories that creates the dolls for basically no salary or by watching
movies and tv shows that make them think that they're fat.

In the great Sid Meiers computer game Civilization you can build Wonders of the world. One of the most powerful ones
is Hollywood. With that you control all culture and media in the world. Rupert Murdoch was happy with MySpace and had
no problems with their own piracy until it failed. Now he's complainting that Google is the biggest source of piracy
in the world - because he's jealous. He wants to retain his mind control over people and clearly you'd get a more
honest view of things on Wikipedia and Google than on Fox News.

Some facts (years, dates) are probably wrong in this press release. The reason is that we can't access this information
when Wikipedia is blacked out. Because of pressure from our failing competitors. We're sorry for that.

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