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Trying to go bulk
    #15683672 - 01/18/12 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Ok so this is my first post I have been reading the forums for almost a year now and have gone from avid tripper to beginner grower I have had good success with pf tek and taking my own spore prints as well as making syringes and starting the process again. Although this is working great I am curious about bulk and possibly higher yields with less day to day leg work. Right now I've got 3 sgfc all producing quite well but misting daily and fanning is becoming a real chore. So far I have only used brf verm mix for my cakes and have only experimented with pint and half pint jars. I just want to get some opinions as to what might be the next step to take to move toward bulk.

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15683704 - 01/18/12 02:11 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Next stop would probably be to get a PC if you dont already have one. Then do grain and spawn to coir or manure. All of that will need to go in some kind of monotub.

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15683765 - 01/18/12 02:26 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Treat me like a complete noob I've read posts for hours but still feel lost with all of the info on here what type of grain do u prefer?  What do u use for spawn? I know there are tons of posts about things like this I'm just hoping to hear some experienced opinions

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15683778 - 01/18/12 02:29 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

A great resource right here www.mushroomvideos.com

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #15683804 - 01/18/12 02:34 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

I can help you out if you need.  You can PM me  and we can do it here.

Let's talk.


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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15683818 - 01/18/12 02:37 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)



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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15683827 - 01/18/12 02:39 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Pressure cooker?

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15683839 - 01/18/12 02:41 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Treating you as a complete noob: use the search function, there are threads upon threads upon threads of similar questions with experienced response. Ultimately what people use isn't necessarily the best, but what they prefer for a plethora of reasons that you'll learn through experimentation when you find what works best for you. Try everything that sounds sensible until something sticks. You're going to feel lost until you've made decisions and have experience.

Personally I prefer WBS(wild bird seed), which I use for spawn; it's very cheap and I've gained the experience and technique to efficiently use it. Due to the winter climate I've been skipping the rinse step after the simmer, allowing the heat of the grain to greatly speed the process evaporation (your aim is for it to practically be dry to the touch, otherwise it'll cause a excessively wet colonization environment). The presence of slime mentioned in the tek by not rinsing can be diminished by rinsing well before the simmer; I consider it a worthwhile trade since it wouldn't practically air dry otherwise.

PC = Pressure Cooker, a necessary investment

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15683842 - 01/18/12 02:41 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Yes PC=Pressure cooker.  Forgot I'll try to keep it in English

Let's do this step by step. :smile:


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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15683876 - 01/18/12 02:49 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Don't have one yet I just boiled all my jars/syringes up until now but if thats the next step I'll have one tonight any importance on a particular size or will that be standard

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15683922 - 01/18/12 02:59 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

the Presto 23-Quart Aluminum Pressure Canner is popular cheap brand.
or the All American Pressure Canner brand if you want quality.

You want one with the gauge and weight.

You can do bulk without a PC but if you like the hobby then it will be a great investment. 


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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15684374 - 01/18/12 04:25 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Its a new hobby but one I plan to continue for a long time I dont want to cut any corners if a pressure canner is what I need I'll get it what other supplies will I need to begin and pretend I'm starting with nothing but a spore print/ syringe

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15684418 - 01/18/12 04:33 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

here is a start.

pressure canner
a few quart and 1/2 pint canning jars.
Filters for lids < synthetic filter disks, micropore tape, tyvek...
Gypsum
Vermiculite
Coir Brick
Horse manure (optional but good stuff)
Poly bags to pasteurize the substrate.
Mono tub.  < we can talk about that latter.
Grain for spawn.  < rye berries, wild bird seed....


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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15684625 - 01/18/12 05:22 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Pelatized gypsum or powdered? Does it matter? Where do u get coir? And no manure recipe if possible please and thank u sir

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15684647 - 01/18/12 05:27 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Gypsum, dosen't matter.  Coir, garden centers, pet shops, hydro grow shops.  Just don't get coir with any additives.

OK, no manure!  that will be new for me.


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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15687461 - 01/19/12 09:46 AM (13 years, 12 hours ago)

Ok I will hopefully be starting this weekend are there any specifics on the bird seed that I want or dont want it to contain

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15687498 - 01/19/12 09:59 AM (13 years, 12 hours ago)

I don't want it to contain corn, and little or no sunflower seeds.
No fruit or fancy things in it.

I like WBS to be mostly Milo and millet.  it ususally has some sunflower seeds too, it's ok.

It can be confusing, there are so many mixes out there. 

I use organic rye berries exclusivly.


Here is what the mix should look like. mostly milo and millet:



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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15688115 - 01/19/12 12:42 PM (13 years, 9 hours ago)

That is exactly what I wanted to see thanks I can probably start tomorrow after work with rinsing the seed and then soak over night?

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: Dune traveler]
    #15688256 - 01/19/12 01:11 PM (13 years, 9 hours ago)

If you haven't already, go watch the RR videos
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/

Here is a good WBS Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

You don't want the grains to get to mushy. al dente is good, they should be able to be squished between your finger nails but should not be all exploded and mushy.

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Re: Trying to go bulk [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15688276 - 01/19/12 01:16 PM (13 years, 9 hours ago)

One thing I left off the list of helpful tools is a homemade SAB = (Still Air Box)/GB = (Glove Box), or better yet a FH =(Laminar Flowhood).


Good Luck, & have fun :smile:


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