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about to order a bulk kit and need some help
    #15680700 - 01/17/12 09:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know this is an easy question im sure but in all honesty, this kind of stuff bothers me if i dont do it right so i ask a lot of questions. anyways im looking on a site, and im wondering what all i need. But is all i need a BRF grow bag like this one http://www.out-grow.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=65 and nothing else? do i need to buy something like peat moss to put under the BRF once i take it out of the bag to fruit it? or does the Moss go ontop of the BRF? Is moss a good choice to use? and if not, what is?
again, sorry but im doing jars and im new, but i dont like jars.

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15680754 - 01/17/12 09:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd have to think you would be better off sticking with the PF tek


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15680772 - 01/17/12 09:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

To answer your question, You don't need moss.  If you plan to take it out of the bag to fruit it then look into making a SGFC.  Otherwise you can poke holes in the bag when it starts to pin and fruit in the bag. You might want some verm if you are going to dunk and roll that puppy :smile:


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15680874 - 01/17/12 10:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You should just go with a standard WBS to coir bulk grow.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: Bawks]
    #15681140 - 01/17/12 10:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

what do you mean by "TO coir"? i know what WBS is, and sticking to PF isnt an option for me lol sorry. and yes, my current setup is a SGFC.

and woud i mix the WBS with a casing soild such as http://www.out-grow.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=61

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15682433 - 01/18/12 08:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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what do you mean by "TO coir"? i know what WBS is, and sticking to PF isnt an option for me lol sorry. and yes, my current setup is a SGFC.

and woud i mix the WBS with a casing soild such as http://www.out-grow.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=61




He meant to do a bulk grow in a mono.

No, Cubes don't need a casing.  and where are you using WBS in this thread?

This is what you are going to do with the above filter bag of verm&BRF, when it comes in the mail, you will put it in you SAB and clean the injection site with alcohol then inject about 2cc of spore or 5-8 cc of liquid culture and let it grow undisturbed until pins start forming, then either fruit in the bag or take it out and fruit in a SGFC as you would with a PF cake.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15682511 - 01/18/12 09:13 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If you do not want to save the money and make the substrate yourself, than yes, those bags should work.  I have never tried them, but the description does say they are already sterilized and ready to innoc.  If you have a SGFC, than you should already know you do not need moss. Your cakes are gonna sit on a plastic cap or aluminum foil ontop of perlite. And you do not need casing for any Cubes ever, though some call the layer of Vermiculite, when you dunk and roll, a casing.

Just order a syringe of whatever you plan on growing and innoc the bags when they get there.

Also, the bags are Brown Rice Flour but later in another post, you start talking about Wild Bird Seed. Most people only use whole grains when they are planning to spawn toa bulk substrate like Coir.  You can find out more on coir by doing s search for Damions Coir Tek.  It is a very easy tek and you can buy the coir at just about any pet store.

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: crimsondrac]
    #15682567 - 01/18/12 09:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I was just lookibg at the bags in general. I will probably do brf since ive heard good things. so after the said bag starts to pin I would then take it out and put it.in a foil pan and this procedure is called "spawning to bulk"?

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15682868 - 01/18/12 10:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

no,  when it starts to pin you would, take it out of the bag and move it to the SGFC (follow the PF Tek), or poke holes in the bag and fruit in the bag as is.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15682950 - 01/18/12 11:07 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Spawning to bulk is essentially taking what you grew in the jar, mixing it in with a bulk substrate (i.e., coir and vermiculite) and letting it grow a bit more and fruit mushrooms from that versus just spawning the mushrooms straight off the cake. This spreads the surface area of the cake out to cover an entire tub instead of using just the tiny surface area of the cake.

I am still a bit fuzzy, but I do not think you use a SGFC if you are going to spawn to bulk (I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong). SGFC use perlite and I am pretty sure you do not use Perlite when spawning to bulk. I have also heard that aluminum trays are bad because the mycelium can eat through it. Use plastic buckets or Glad or Ziploc type containers.  Essentially a Bulk substrate creates a micro climate inducive to the growth of the mycelium.

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: crimsondrac]
    #15682998 - 01/18/12 11:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You don't want to do a bulk grow yet.  You said you did not want to use jars and you had a SGFC.  What you want to do if you still insist on going with the filter bag of pre-sterile verm & BRF is to inject about 2cc of spore solution from a syringe into the bag, cover the needle hole with tape and put it on a shelf to colonize fully. When knots or pins start to form, you then can put it in your SGFC or as I said before you can just poke holes in the bag and fruit it in the bag.  After you master this, then think about going bulk.

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15683096 - 01/18/12 11:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Not to take away from vendors but purchasing substrate in a bag is not cost efficient or necessarily  "safe"

You can make bags for pf substrate yourself and save a bundle on shipping costs. The other upside is the amount of substrate you can put into a bag at one time.

Hone in on making a liquid culture and you will be set.

I think all kits blow so my opinion is nullified


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: HybridprX]
    #15683241 - 01/18/12 12:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure the OP will agree once they get the first grow underway :smile:


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: HybridprX]
    #15683999 - 01/18/12 03:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ive heard that LC arent that good and i hear they can contain contams easier. Mind you i dont have a pressure cooker. Hence why im buying the bags instead of making them. I dont think theyre is an alternative for bags that truly works.

@RogueTrippeR So when i put them in the SGFC, i would put the bag onto of the perilite? because surely you wouldnt dumb all the colonized substrate right onto the perilite layer. I know i probably sound like i have dont 0 amounts of research, but im just so lost lol

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15684190 - 01/18/12 03:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No problem. It is confusing at first especially with all the different info here.
That because there is more than one way to do it and it's not as hard as it seems.

Just follow good advice until you have a handel on it.

I haven't used the bags you are going to.  I see no problem with them other than expense.  If you want to put it into you SGFC then just cut the bag leaving just the bottom fro is to sit on maybe even 1" up the sides, and sit that on your perlite.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15684301 - 01/18/12 04:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

okay, but wouldnt that decrease the area for the shrooms to grow on? like that leaves 4 sides that wont grow anything

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15684355 - 01/18/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I can't show you pic here today.  When the bag is cut off only the bottom remains or as I said you can leave just a bit going up the sides 1" any side pinning will still be able to grow fine.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15684440 - 01/18/12 04:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

oh i understand that, okay cool. and iwouldnt need to dunk it of course i would just probably mist it real heavy if it needed and from there just mist and leave it alone? since it will be in a SGFC. also ive been doing this in my basement. not sure of the temps down here but do you think i would need a heating pad under the fc? i think this would help with humidity as well.  i know optimal temps for cubes are about 70-75 but im not even sure if its that warm in my room :s

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15684475 - 01/18/12 04:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A true SGFC has holes on all six sides and if properly made should be fine on humidity with a little attention from you.  Mist and fan.  Temp between 60-77 are fine for indoor growing.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15684651 - 01/18/12 05:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i should i have a bit more holes than a normal SG but they are smaller than 1/4 so itll bprobably be okay. do you mind to checkout my other post? you seem to know more than i do lol im not sure if my PF tek jars have contam.. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/modifypost.php

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: itzzdustin]
    #15684677 - 01/18/12 05:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, can't see pic today.


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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #15684764 - 01/18/12 05:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Damn op you havent done much homework have ya...You need to read read read and read some more before you attempt.

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Re: about to order a bulk kit and need some help [Re: Ill-bird]
    #15685242 - 01/18/12 07:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A BRF/Verm bag like that could be treated like a big cake once it's colonized; there was a post here not too long ago detailing the process of doing BRF-blocks.

Usually growing to bulk would mean mono tub since it's easier and a good way to start with bulk.  Since you have a SGFC then having it colonize like a big brick would be the way to go.

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