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trickpat
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Do I need brown rice flower?
#15679620 - 01/17/12 06:25 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do I need brown rice flower? can I just use vermiculite alone??
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: trickpat]
#15679638 - 01/17/12 06:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can use any kind of flour really, or even grind your own long grain brown rice in a coffee, grinder, be sure to to do it in short bursts to avoid burning out your motor.
No, vermiculite alone will not work out.
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whaaaa, why use BRF when you could use wild bird seed or rye grain?? so much easier and ime, ALOT faster.. check out Doc's WBS tek it's great
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: trickpat]
#15679679 - 01/17/12 06:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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trickpat said: Do I need brown rice flower? can I just use vermiculite alone??
The BRF is the food for the fungus. The vermiculite is a filler to make it light and airy. Grind your own with a coffee grinder, or look in the gluten free section of your local market. And don't confuse the poor noob by confusing him with grain spawn over the PF-Tek.
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you can use several different substrates besides brf but the reason is that the mycelium needs nutrients to feed off of. vermiculite alone contains no nutrients but is used for it's water retention.
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: trickpat]
#15679758 - 01/17/12 06:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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For me its much easier to find BRF and grains than it is vermiculite this time of year (locally). Check the organic section of your grocery store or as other said grind ur own.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: Jigaboo]
#15679786 - 01/17/12 06:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jigaboo said: whaaaa, why use BRF when you could use wild bird seed or rye grain?? so much easier and ime, ALOT faster.. check out Doc's WBS tek it's great
I always advocate starting with the BRF tek for those new to mycology for the following reasons:
-To learn the life cycle of the edible or gourmet mushroom of your choice If you do not know the growth parameters and life cycle growing a batch of cakes to start is in your best interest. Once you understand what cubes/oysters need to grow as far as moisture, misting, fanning, lighting, etc it will be a lot easier to take care of bigger projects. IF on the other hand you do not have a grasp of the growth cycle you are more likely to make mistakes and not provide proper care for your bigger projects, which result in bigger failures.
-To learn the basics of sterile procedure If you cannot make and inoculate 12 BRF cakes under sterile conditions you have almost no hope of doing the same with grain jars. The simple procedures needed for growing BRF cakes instills the skills needed to eventually move onto grains, and other procedures in mycology that require a higher level of sterile technique.
-To keep costs low Making BRF cakes is the cheapest, easiest method of growing mushrooms for a beginner seeing as you do not have to invest in a pressure cooker (PC). Making grain spawn is not all that much more expensive than making BRF jars, minus the PC, which causes a bit of a price jump.
Timeline +/- of a BRF Tek grow
Inoculation till first signs of growth - 7-14 days First sign of growth to full colonization - 3-4 weeks Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks
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I could be wrong but I assume that since it's hard to effectively sterilize rye without a pressure cooker it is also hard to effectively sterilize rye flour without one. Brown rice flour on the other hand can be prepared by steaming without a PC.
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: trickpat]
#15679851 - 01/17/12 07:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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trickpat said: Do I need brown rice flour?
Spelled it wrong dude
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: Kizzle]
#15679865 - 01/17/12 07:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I could be wrong but I assume that since it's hard to effectively sterilize rye without a pressure cooker it is also hard to effectively sterilize rye flour without one. Brown rice flour on the other hand can be prepared by steaming without a PC.
I am pretty sure you can use almost any grain FLOUR with the steam sterilization method for the PF tek. I think it has more to do with the jar size/surface area of the flour making it easy to sterilize with steam alone in an unpressurized vessel in comparison to having to sterilize to the core of grain kernels using larger jars.
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: Jigaboo]
#15679945 - 01/17/12 07:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jigaboo said: whaaaa, why use BRF when you could use wild bird seed or rye grain?? so much easier and ime, ALOT faster.. check out Doc's WBS tek it's great
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using BRF ie. PF tec. IMO it's by far the most user friendly and can be used straight from the jar or spawned to your choice of bulk. It is easy to prepair and very hard to mess up. Make them and forget them.
PF tec crumbled to pasteurized straw is my favorite. You just can't go wrong with them. To many people dismiss them thinking that you must use grain if you want real results. That's just not true.
Just my opinion.
Edited by Max1 (01/17/12 07:32 PM)
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trickpat
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: Max1]
#15679982 - 01/17/12 07:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh shit! I did spell it wrong! RICE FLOUR!! sorry.....yeah I have never done this before and a friend was telling me that I did not need BRF but I have always heard that it was essential for nutrients..
I did not know that I didn't need a pressure cooker for verm and BRF
you are saying that all I need is steam? really? that doesn't sound right to me....would using a pressure cooker for the verm/BRF over do it??
I AM DOING P. CUBES so maybe that is the difference?????
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: trickpat]
#15680013 - 01/17/12 07:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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trickpat said: oh shit! I did spell it wrong! RICE FLOUR!! sorry.....yeah I have never done this before and a friend was telling me that I did not need BRF but I have always heard that it was essential for nutrients..
I did not know that I didn't need a pressure cooker for verm and BRF
you are saying that all I need is steam? really? that doesn't sound right to me....would using a pressure cooker for the verm/BRF over do it??
I AM DOING P. CUBES so maybe that is the difference?????
You can steam sterilize BRF cakes...or you can pressure cook them as long as they are properly sterilized that is all that matters...
*sniff sniff* I think I smell a minor.....If you are in fact a minor you should realize that this website is for adults over the age of 18 and focus on your school work...
If you are of age perhaps you need to do some more research, check out the BRF Cake tek in my signature...that would be a good place to start.
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trickpat
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A MINOR!!!!!!!!????? HAHAHA!!!!! maybe that should be a compliment....lol...I'm well over 18 thanks for the concern
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: trickpat]
#15680138 - 01/17/12 08:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
Watch these videos, memorize them, play them in your head over and over until you know every little step. Then you will be a success!
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: VC_Skittles]
#15680600 - 01/17/12 09:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can never over sterilize. i would invest in a pressure cooker and grains. But, that's only if your serious about growing mushrooms. if your just playing around though, brf is fine.
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: uncle bobo]
#15680701 - 01/17/12 09:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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i guess i seriously play around?!
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EvilMushroom666 said:
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Kizzle said: I could be wrong but I assume that since it's hard to effectively sterilize rye without a pressure cooker it is also hard to effectively sterilize rye flour without one. Brown rice flour on the other hand can be prepared by steaming without a PC.
I am pretty sure you can use almost any grain FLOUR with the steam sterilization method for the PF tek. I think it has more to do with the jar size/surface area of the flour making it easy to sterilize with steam alone in an unpressurized vessel in comparison to having to sterilize to the core of grain kernels using larger jars.
Perhaps. I was under the impression though that brown rice could be steamed because the husk containing most of the endospores is removed during processing.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: Do I need brown rice flower? [Re: Kizzle]
#15680731 - 01/17/12 09:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not sure if that is the reason, but a quick forum search yielded this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7836900#7836900
I guess I stand corrected.
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