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RedRabbit
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Pan growing vs Cakes
#15677164 - 01/17/12 08:53 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I apologize if in advance if this is a repeated post.
Cakes are great and all but wouldn't they produce more if they were in a tin pan?
I've seen it all the time on this website and I've been searching for a simple way to convert the cakes to pans but i have found nothing
do u just make the cakes, let them inoculate, and then spread them out through the pan? Is it worth it compared to jars?
I feel like pans might be more open to contamination and drying out but would yield more
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15677203 - 01/17/12 09:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: dtowntoker]
#15677224 - 01/17/12 09:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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The reason you see ppl having cakes in pans is usually cause they spawned to coir/manure/straw. Or they are casing there cakes
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RedRabbit
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UnnamedGrower said: The reason you see ppl having cakes in pans is usually cause they spawned to coir/manure/straw. Or they are casing there cakes
there is no way to use the classic jar substrate? I'm not talking about simply putting the cakes on top of a casing layer if thats what u mean by casing there cakes.
i was thinking line the bottom of the pan with pertilite, equally distribute the substrate over the pan (should i sterilize before or loosely put tin foil over the tin pan and pressure cook? would that work?) after everything is set inoculate the pan 6 times 1 on each corner and 1 in between the long corners
Are the pans worth the extra effort really?
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15677262 - 01/17/12 09:32 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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You dont inoculate pans. You mixed fully colonized gran/cake with coir/manure/straw and put it into the tray to colonize. You then fruit the fully colo'd pan
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15677281 - 01/17/12 09:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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OH now I understand! Thank you for your persistence I've been trying to figure this out for a long time now and I always get insulted (noob, etc).
ill give you 5 rating in just one sec! so
Step1: inoculate jars like PF tek Step2: Sterilize the coir/straw and pan? manure isn't necessary is it? Step3: Equally mix the inoculated BRF with the coir/straw Step4: Put some kind of casing layer? Step5: Put in temp, humidity controlled fruiting chamber and water twice a day.
right? I can't tell you how happy I am to be getting this info
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15677288 - 01/17/12 09:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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RedRabbit said: OH now I understand! Thank you for your persistence I've been trying to figure this out for a long time now and I always get insulted (noob, etc).
ill give you 5 rating in just one sec! so
Step1: inoculate jars like PF tek Step2: Sterilize the coir/straw and pan? manure isn't necessary is it? Step3: Equally mix the inoculated BRF with the coir/straw Step4: Put some kind of casing layer? Step5: Put in temp, humidity controlled fruiting chamber and water twice a day.
right? I can't tell you how happy I am to be getting this info 
1. inoculate as usual 2. pasteurize the coir or straw manure isnt necessary any one of the choices i gave you can be used by themselves 3. Equally mix 4. Cover with al foil with small slits in the foil for GE. Let that sit a week or so until its fully colonized then introduce to fruit
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In step two, do not Sterilize. Pasturize is the way to go with Coir/verm. Sterilizing involves heating the substrate, under pressure, to a specific temperature for a set amount of time. Pasturizing does not require the substrate to be under pressure and does not get as hot. The difference is Sterilizing kills everything. Pasturing only kills the bad stuff and leaves the good stuff alive, in theory.
Also, when most people spawn to bulk, they will use Wild Bird seed or Rye grain. Most BRF cakes are generally left whole. I am not saying you can't do it, I have seen some nice pics of BRF cakes broken up and cased in a tub. Just more common to use a whole grain of some type vs, brf and verm.
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how do u pasteurize the straw ?? this seems like its opening a ton of doors for contamination...
by the way on a side note
is a closet a bad idea for a space
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15678087 - 01/17/12 01:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are just using standard PF tek, you do not need straw. Coir and Verm is all you need. And a closet is a bad place. During colonization, ambient light is good for the mycelium growth and during fruiting, it needs Fresh Air Exchange (FAE). Neither of which is readily available in a closet.
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I think you are hung up on the PF Tek part. When you do trays or monos, at this point you would typically spawn grain to a bulk substrate. The tray is not just a big BRF/Verm cake that gets MS inoculation. (Though a few people have done that)
Fully colonized cakes can be crumbled for this, but I think you would be better off just spawning colonized grain. Sounds like you have a PC and you would be saving a couple of steps by just going that route.
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wildernessjunkie said: I think you are hung up on the PF Tek part. When you do trays or monos, at this point you would typically spawn grain to a bulk substrate. The tray is not just a big BRF/Verm cake that gets MS inoculation. (Though a few people have done that)
Fully colonized cakes can be crumbled for this, but I think you would be better off just spawning colonized grain. Sounds like you have a PC and you would be saving a couple of steps by just going that route.
so pasteurize the grain and how do i colonize it?
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15678743 - 01/17/12 03:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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RedRabbit said:
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wildernessjunkie said: I think you are hung up on the PF Tek part. When you do trays or monos, at this point you would typically spawn grain to a bulk substrate. The tray is not just a big BRF/Verm cake that gets MS inoculation. (Though a few people have done that)
Fully colonized cakes can be crumbled for this, but I think you would be better off just spawning colonized grain. Sounds like you have a PC and you would be saving a couple of steps by just going that route.
so pasteurize the grain and how do i colonize it?
You've been here since 2007, and have 1,000 posts+
And you said pasteurize grain?
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: RedRabbit]
#15678771 - 01/17/12 03:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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You really need to get the "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" videos. Watch them all. You will learn a ton. I still refer to them when trying a tek I haven't done in a while. Your questions are all across the board, and the videos demonstrate a lot of these different teks.
You sterilize the grains. Bulk substrates are pasteurized, not sterilized. You can inoculate grain with clean spores or a clean live culture (agar, LC, GLC). You can spawn grain to more grain, or spawn it to a bulk substrate. You can also use BRF cakes for spawning to bulk. For this I would: get a clean bowl, birth cakes, wash them off well, grate them with a cheese grater, and mix them in just like a grain.
At pasteurization temps (130-140, not higher than 160), mold spores are killed and bacteria is either left alive or forced into a dormant state. The bacteria is active enough to defend the substrate from contamination. When the mycelium colonized the substrate, the bacteria is kept in that dormant state.
And speaking of using brf cakes in trays, don't use the "sea of shrooms" tek. It's bunk. I've spawned brf to bulk though, and I know it works.
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Re: Pan growing vs Cakes [Re: xenzaka]
#15678952 - 01/17/12 04:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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RedRabbit said:
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wildernessjunkie said: I think you are hung up on the PF Tek part. When you do trays or monos, at this point you would typically spawn grain to a bulk substrate. The tray is not just a big BRF/Verm cake that gets MS inoculation. (Though a few people have done that)
Fully colonized cakes can be crumbled for this, but I think you would be better off just spawning colonized grain. Sounds like you have a PC and you would be saving a couple of steps by just going that route.
so pasteurize the grain and how do i colonize it?
You've been here since 2007, and have 1,000 posts+
And you said pasteurize grain?

 
Id really suggest you follow maug's advice and watch RR's Let's Grow Mushroom's This link has a bunch of sample clips that will help you out
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Oh, funny thread....I swear I started to get the impression that the OP has been confused by cultivators reported on the "Pan grows".
I am growing Pans right now too.
LOL, no offense OP. Just watch the videos, and read read read.
Good luck,
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