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Good Grow kit for a noob?
    #15673736 - 01/16/12 01:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

So I want to try my hand at making growing my own mushrooms. I have 0 experience in growing fungi although I'm a well seasoned tripper and quite knowledgeable about psychedelics.

I was hoping someone could recommend a good grow kit for a novice cultivator?


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15673761 - 01/16/12 01:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

for a novice if you want to jump right in and skip all that low yeilding PF bull shit you should order your choice of syringes from a sponsor on here and then oreder a Monotub Fill Kit from Out-grow another sponsor.... look up a monotub tek, you will be very pleased.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Onewitthefungi]
    #15673808 - 01/16/12 02:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Grow kits = you getting very overcharged

www.shroomery.org = your best bang for your $


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Montock]
    #15674099 - 01/16/12 03:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Look up the contents of a grow kit on youtube, then make a list of these parts.go to a mega mart that starts with Wall, or has the name of a type of object you shoot a bow and arrow at. Youw ill get all of the parts for about $40. then watcht he 4 part video series on yuou tube called "Lets grow mushrooms!" there you go. Oh, and order your syringes from a trusted source on here. The cost of one kit, you could grow almost 3 times as much using store bought parts. Just my view.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: cwd85]
    #15674134 - 01/16/12 03:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

can anyone link me to a "contents of a grow kit" page? it would be appreciated.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15674155 - 01/16/12 03:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

jars, BRF flour, vermiculite, perlite, plastic tub, sprayer, tin foil, masking tape/micropore tape. 

and a spore syringe.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: cwd85]
    #15674221 - 01/16/12 03:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

and if you want a really well thought through description of the PF tek BRF cakes (assuming you like the sound of it) have a look at the link in my sig, it'll help cement all the ideas in your mind along with the "lets Grow Mushrooms" videos :smile:


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: keeno]
    #15674255 - 01/16/12 03:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Dude a monotub fill kit from Out-grow costs only 35 plush shipping, its hella nice deal for what you can grow with it. everything else you prolly have laying around the house. medical tape, cleaning solutions, polly fill ect.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Onewitthefungi]
    #15674293 - 01/16/12 03:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Let me ask you this? How much time are you wanting/able to devote? And how much shroomies do you wanna get in the end/per tub?

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674318 - 01/16/12 04:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I just want enough for me and my mates


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674334 - 01/16/12 04:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Just to give you some comparison to the kit dude mentioned which includes 3 lbs of rye, and 10 lbs of substrate (manure). I actually weighed one of my quart jars last night and a quart of hydrated rye weighs 1lb exactly and I use 7-10 of them in a tub, and about 30-40lbs of substrate, which seems like a lot but a gallon of water weighs 8lb.  So IDK but i imagine you might be lucky to get  and ounce or 2 from a kit like that. But my tubs usually put out about 8 oz. So it all depends on how much mushies you really want. If you want to give it a go without a kit, let me know and i can point you in the right direction.  Its a little more work, but you get a hell of a lot more out of it.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15674338 - 01/16/12 04:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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EvolveShrooms said:
I just want enough for me and my mates




For one trip, for a couple months, or for the whole year?

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674346 - 01/16/12 04:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

pf tek done right tek


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674349 - 01/16/12 04:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

really? an ounce or 2? maybe if your growing PE, through what ive heard you can pull 3 off a tub like tht. I have one colonizing right now- good amount for some good trips with a few friends.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674354 - 01/16/12 04:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

enough to trip on a weekly basis. So like 10g's a week


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Onewitthefungi]
    #15674358 - 01/16/12 04:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i pulled an ounce off 2 small casings- each with 2 half pints of BRF spawned to a 1-3 ratio of h manure. im sure you can get three of a mono kit.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Onewitthefungi]
    #15674368 - 01/16/12 04:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

or better yet, if you have a pressure cooker go buy a 3 pound bag of WBS for a buck or 2 and do the same mono tub grow with some crap or coir.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Onewitthefungi]
    #15674384 - 01/16/12 04:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

IDK I was just guesstimating.  But if you only need 10g's a week I might just go with the kit, it will save you a lot of trouble.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15674413 - 01/16/12 04:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've recently started growing from scratch.

Pf tek done right was rather helpful. Grow kits are high cost for what they are.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613

and Roger Rabbit's mushroom videos are great too.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

Equipment can be bought at most DIY places, and is a worthy investment. Perhaps you could do one or two dozen cakes, a few flushes would give you a good amount and then you can just dry them all and store them for when you and your mates want them.

All the info you need is here on shroomery and http://fsre.nl/ is a good service for getting cheap spores of different strains.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Tipote]
    #15674589 - 01/16/12 05:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

should i buy spore syringes or prints?


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15674616 - 01/16/12 05:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

syringe!

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674655 - 01/16/12 05:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

depends if you want to keep to a single strain or grow diferent each time if different go with a syringe if the same go with a print and make multiple syringes.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Onewitthefungi]
    #15674688 - 01/16/12 05:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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depends if you want to keep to a single strain or grow diferent each time if different go with a syringe if the same go with a print and make multiple syringes.




doesn't he run the risk of making a contaminated syringe if he's not careful!

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15674782 - 01/16/12 05:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

also, after you harvest, how do you grow another batch without buying more spores, or is it a self-reproducing process?


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15675268 - 01/16/12 07:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You have 500 posts and are asking these questions? Not trying to be a dick, but i'm just curious. What exactly do you talk about on this forum?


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: shroomist x stan]
    #15675308 - 01/16/12 08:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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You have 500 posts and are asking these questions? Not trying to be a dick, but i'm just curious. What exactly do you talk about on this forum?




Seems weird right, but I've got a buddy thats been on here since 2003 and he's barely grown anything. His handle is PFShroomer:eek:

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15675427 - 01/16/12 08:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

well obviously he would have to look up a few good syringe teks if tht was the route he was taking that and use a glove box. But you should get 2-3 flushes off a monotub grow. Possibly start another as you round the second or third flush= ongoing amount of fun times.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Big_Sexy]
    #15675465 - 01/16/12 08:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Seems weird right, but I've got a buddy thats been on here since 2003 and he's barely grown anything. His handle is PFShroomer:eek:




That's understandable not growing anything, but not knowing key info at that post count is just strange.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: shroomist x stan]
    #15676714 - 01/17/12 04:37 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know it seems odd being on a mushroom growing forum and not growing. but I used to visit the site for years reading the trip reports and didn't even know of the rich community in all the forums :smile:

if you're curious you can check all the OP's messages via their profile :whoah:


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: keeno]
    #15677068 - 01/17/12 08:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd recommend getting spore prints from that FSRE website. Only costs 1 euro plus postage to get a requested spore strain from the list. They have information for how to make your own spore prints (http://fsre.nl/?page_id=17) and how to order spore prints from them.

To get your hands on syringes would be essential. Syringes..combined with the skills to make spore prints and turn them into liquid culture (lc tek) or to put them straight into sterilised syringes.. would set you up for quite a while.

http://www.shroomery.org/8399/TheMilkMans-Sporeprint-and-Syringe-Tek

If you search on shroomery then you'll find places you can buy the more medical-related equipment you need like syringes and alcohol wipes etc.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: shroomist x stan]
    #15677128 - 01/17/12 08:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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You have 500 posts and are asking these questions? Not trying to be a dick, but i'm just curious. What exactly do you talk about on this forum?



The Pub. :wink:
No but really, many members, myself included, rarely post anywhere but the pub.
Something I'm trying to change.

I'm sorry if I am hijacking your thread op, but I have some "noob questions" I would like to ask as well, and I feel like it would be better to post here then making a whole new thread. But if I am intruding, just say so! :grin:

This might be a really silly question, but when buying spores from website what exactly do you get?
Do you get syringed spores all ready to go?
Do you have to put them in there.
I understand and have read many teks, but as of yet I have seen nothing covering this. (I'm guessing because it's super obvious and I'm just a dumb bitch.)
What exactly spore wise would be needed for let's say, 8 1/2 pint jars, and how would this be done?

Also, what exactly is trichoderma and how do I avoid it?

If someone that knows a lot about the whole procedure could PM me what would be awesome because I'm sure I will have more questions and it would be awesome having someone to go to with them.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #15677293 - 01/17/12 09:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, the syringes are ready to go.  Most people recommend you shake them up before inoculating a jar so make sure the spores are dispersed well in the water solution. The syringes generally come in a 10cc size and most places will recommend you used at least 1 or 2ccs for each jar.  I only use about one-quarter CC per jar and they inoculate fine, though I guess that depends on the quality of the syringe and how much spores are in each one.
Trichoderma is a nasty, nasty contaminate.  It has a tendency to expel a lot of it's own spores and can easily contaminate an entire crop or grow room. Most the experts will recommend throwing away a jar without ever opening it if you see these little green meanies start to grow.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: crimsondrac]
    #15677348 - 01/17/12 10:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thank you very very much, that cleared thing up quite a bit.
My only question is say I would get a 10cc size syringe and I want to put it into 5 1/2 pint jars.
How exactly would I divide it all?
Just use a fifth in each jar, sterilizing the tip with fire in between?
Also, one last thing.
SORRY! :blush:
And the syringes with spores in them don't need to be kept at any tempature or anything correct?

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #15677457 - 01/17/12 10:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It'll depend where you get your spores from. Some places like fsre.nl will just send you the spore print in foil for one euro.

other places may just swap them. To buy a 10cc syringe of spore solution, it arrives ready to go (after a shake) but it just means you have to pay that much more for it! So if you have a 10cc syringe and 5 and a half jars, 1cc per jar is typical so you can save the rest. Be super sterile and hopefully you'll never meet trichoderma! It's a fungi thats in most soils and associated with plants.

Watch the videos and steps..
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613.

I think its supposed to be best for syringes with spore solution to be kept in the fridge.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #15677464 - 01/17/12 10:36 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well, like I said, I only use about a half a CC per jar. I save whatever I have left over for the next batch of jars I make. If you want to use the entire syringe, then yes, divide it equally between the jars. The syringes can be stored for quite a while.  I do not think there is a set shelf life, but most experts will tell you about a year. If you keep your home temp. in the low 70s, you should be able to store them at room temperature.  Otherwise, put it in your fridge.
Most teks will tell you to flame sterilize the needle, but I generally just use a rubbing alcohol cotton swab to clean the needle then a quick flame to help dry the alcohol off. I do not think you need to heat the needle until it is glowing red. I figure if alcohol is good enough for doctors to use before injecting people, it should be fine for some spores.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: crimsondrac]
    #15677497 - 01/17/12 10:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I figure if alcohol is good enough for doctors to use before injecting people, it should be fine for some spores.




The human body has a better immune system than a jar of substrate. It doesn't hurt to heat the needle just to be thorough .

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: shroomist x stan]
    #15677703 - 01/17/12 11:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've always been more into the "getting high as shit" part of this forum, I'm more experienced in doing psychedelics than I am at growing them.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15678023 - 01/17/12 01:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yeh man thats a great part of it but knowing the skills to support unlimited exploration is just as important!

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Tipote]
    #15678071 - 01/17/12 01:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

which is why I wanna start growing lol


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15678381 - 01/17/12 02:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yeeee thats great man. you think you know what you need to get together now then?

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Tipote]
    #15678800 - 01/17/12 03:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

indeed, i have a few options. I could go for the PF tek or a monotub.


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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15679218 - 01/17/12 04:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i haven't tried monotubs/bulk tek yet but would like to. pf tek has been good though.

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: Tipote]
    #15679643 - 01/17/12 06:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

for everyone reading this who wants to explore the absolute joy of joys of growing their own (although this is purely hypothetical, this site is all about viewing the spores via microscopy) you should definitely follow Tiopte's links, and also, have a look at the link in my signature for another guide to all that is good

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: keeno]
    #15679648 - 01/17/12 06:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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for everyone reading this who wants to explore the absolute joy of joys of growing their own (although this is purely hypothetical, this site is all about viewing the spores via microscopy) you should definitely follow Tiopte's links, and also, have a look at the link in my signature for another guide to all that is good

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15679951 - 01/17/12 07:25 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Good Grow kit for a noob? [Re: EvolveShrooms]
    #15686919 - 01/19/12 06:23 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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indeed, i have a few options. I could go for the PF tek or a monotub.



Don't be afraid to try bulk. "Hypothetically" afoaf that had a dream I once heard :awesomenod: started with bulk and never messed with pf. I admit I am impatient and the wait for pf cultivation didn't seem to even out with the rewards of pf cultivation in my opinion. Yes many say that this is a good starting point due to simplicity but honestly bulk is so easy a caveman could do it with the right tek. The only downfall is the amount of money you have to have between the two. If you already have access to a 15 psi pressure cooker than you should be golden. My advice, get you some wbs, coir, quart jars, and enough 6 qts to make you a few dubtubs. I say dubtubs because a contamn'd mono would be highly disappointing for a noob. With dubtubs you could get 5 tubs to one mono, which gives you 5 times to fail before you're back to square one. If you have questions feel free to message me or just search the forums.


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