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Will we be gods #2/ Different angle
    #1566973 - 05/21/03 09:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

One idea I did have about God that I found interesting happened to me one day while I was petting my dog and trying to figure out what she was thinking (I was on schrooms). If far in the future dogs became as intelligent as we, had long since stopped being our pets, and we were no where to be found, would their instincts allow them to remember the sense of caring, and love we provided, and would that feeling translate into the belief of "God"?


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1566983 - 05/21/03 09:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What?


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567000 - 05/21/03 09:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Completely hypothetical situation. Very far fetched. But would the fact they we have been so intrumental in the survival of the species(not that they wouldn't have survived without us, it would just be a drastically different life for them) and that we have cared for them for so long, do you think that this could transfer to instinct, and lead them to believe in a higher power once we were gone, and they developed an intelligence equal to our own?


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1567018 - 05/21/03 09:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Beings that express a certain threshold of sentience tend (though I only have one species' history to work with here) to want (need?) freedom.

Your lapdog would probably shit on your furniture more if you treated it the way you do now (i.e. eating crappy grade B meat out of a dish on the floor, having to shit in plain view of others, being walked on a leash, etc.). There would be no survival advantage for such creatures... as we humans would just put the "uncontrollable animals" to sleep.


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567084 - 05/21/03 09:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Beings that express a certain threshold of sentience tend (though I only have one species' history to work with here) to want (need?) freedom.

What of wild animals that have been caged. Although some will put up with it, I don't think any prefer that to their natural habitat.

I'm also not convinced that we would put the animals to sleep becuase they developed intelligence. Besides, I did say that we were long gone. Let's just say that virus evolved that killed the entire human population (although I don't think this could ever happen) for arguments sake.



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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1567129 - 05/21/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Humans are domesticated primates, so you might have something with this pondering of yours...


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Evolving]
    #1567192 - 05/21/03 10:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Humans domesticated themselves. Dogs haven't.

I'm also not convinced that we would put the animals to sleep becuase they developed intelligence.

Well, I said what I said because I figured intelligence wouldn't come all at once.... it's a trait that would have to evolve to better ensure the survival of the species. So, they would start out at the lower end of the intelligence spectrum, therefore, I would say that a smarter dog would be more of an annoyance for humans than anything (see above).


Besides, I did say that we were long gone. Let's just say that virus evolved that killed the entire human population (although I don't think this could ever happen) for arguments sake.

Well then... it is impossible to say what a new intelligent species will do in the far off future.


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567218 - 05/21/03 10:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well then... it is impossible to say what a new intelligent species will do in the far off future.

But we can speculate.

Is it possible that early in our species evolution, that we were pets of another species?


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1567310 - 05/21/03 10:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, I think that's a very interesting thought.


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567427 - 05/21/03 11:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


Humans domesticated themselves.

How do you know? You of all people should know that there is no proof.

Maybe a higher species domestikated us many years ago and later died off, allowing us to evolve and take their place.


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1567607 - 05/22/03 12:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dogs are honest.When is the last time we told the truth?


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: shroomophile]
    #1567615 - 05/22/03 12:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

My dog isn't honest.  Sometimes she comes in my room and barks at me, and I think she has to go outside.  So I get up to go let her out, but she really didn't want to go out; she just wanted a treat!

My damn dog tricked me!

Hahaha. :laugh:

I gave her a treat anyway, though.

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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1567654 - 05/22/03 12:29 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What RebelSteve said and I tell the truth all the time.


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Murex]
    #1567766 - 05/22/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe a higher species domestikated us many years ago and later died off, allowing us to evolve and take their place.

We could in fact be training a gigantic race of nonhuman beings to be our successors in the ruling of the world.  Do you think it is purposeful, on some sort of strange subconscious level??

Or is it just Nature's hands, playing with her pawns on the chessboard of Earth?

The world my never know.

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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Murex]
    #1567831 - 05/22/03 01:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Humans domesticated themselves.

How do you know? You of all people should know that there is no proof.
Maybe a higher species domestikated us many years ago and later died off, allowing us to evolve and take their place.




I refuse to form even a working belief with nothing more than speculation.
The fossil record shows nothing.

Human history (the written part at least) provides hard evidence that civilization and technology have followed a pattern of evolution themselves (iron age-> bronze age----> industrial revolution--> the computer you're typing on). It's not a big jump for me to conclude that the First Americans (and the rest of the world) were nomadic (read: "wild") and have now domesticated themselves (Can you say CA-SI-NO?!).

But hey.... if you want to believe that your great^100-grandparents were merely pets of some aliens on vacation (the pyramids were their summer homes, right?), then who the fuck am I to inject some doubt into your perfect system of beliefs, eh?


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1567867 - 05/22/03 01:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thats a nice idea, im gonna ponder that one :confused:


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Sclorch]
    #1567954 - 05/22/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)


But hey.... if you want to believe that your great

I didn't say that I believed it. It was just a thought, nothing more.  :wink:


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: Murex]
    #1567968 - 05/22/03 02:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say that I believed it.

Neither did I (and I'm directing this to anyone that is reading this). I just like to think of possibilities.


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1568444 - 05/22/03 07:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

this has been part of several sci-fi novels of the great clifford d simak...


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Re: Will we be gods #2/ Different angle [Re: gnrm23]
    #1568670 - 05/22/03 10:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

*reminds myself never to read hagbard celins posts again*


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