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mushypatch11


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LSD contamination
#15668347 - 01/15/12 05:53 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if im on the right forum but basically lsd is made from a type of fungus ergot and what im about to tell you could be some sort of contamination. If im wrong please direct me to the right forum or website i may be able to get advice from.
You see a friend of mine wanted a low dose from a lsd laced sugar cube for therapeutic purposes. He dissolved one sugar cube in about 10ml of distilled water and orally took a 1ml dose. It worked great so the syringe was stored for later use in a esky in a garage that most of the time is probably at room temp or a bit warmer on hot days. Afer a month or 2 my friend returned to the syringe planning on a next low dose and he saw what looked like black blobs or strings floating around in the liquid.
Obviously he thought this is some sort of contamination and was really worried so he disposed of it as safely as possible and luckily didnt ingest any. His really worried as it was black.
Can someone tell me what this could be? Basically it was a LSD laced sugar cube dissolved in 10mls of distilled water contained within a syringe for at least a month or two and there was black blobs/strings floating around in the syringe.
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cc2
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well this subforum is for proper cultivated mushroom contams. but given your unusual topic I can understand why you posted in this section, given there isn't a way proper section for this kind of question other than maybe ODD.
you're right that LSD synthesis begin with an ergot-derivated alkaloid, but you also have to keep in mind a once natural product is purified in ways (solvent extraction, recrystallization etc.) that won't allow any live cells to persists in solution/pure substance and continue to reproduce.
so I'm totally inclined to think that the most plausible hypothesis (even without macro/micro pics) about what those black blobs were is: bacteria.
also given the solution was composed mostly of dH2O (but not sterilized) and sugar (carbon-rich nutrient for microorganisms) you can safely say they were bacteria colonies or at worst some kind common molds, but in no way anything in the genus Claviceps (ergot), unless of course you introduced it on purpose. no way it'd come from LSD itself.
if you take a look at any of the possible LSD synthesis on the web you see how everything is denaturated starting from reagents and onwards, which leave no wonders on why the final product has little or most probably no cells at all, let alone having some which could reproduce and colonize something.
anyway good choice on not dosing on bacteria you never know how harmful they'd be.
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mushypatch11


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Re: LSD contamination [Re: cc2]
#15669255 - 01/15/12 11:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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thankyou for answering this question considering the nature of it to normal cultivated mushrooms contams on this forum.
im sure my friend has peace of mind knowing now that it was probably just a common bacteria rather then a harmful mold even though it was disposed of and not consumed.
To prevent this from happening again, maybe he can use a sterile syringe (as he did previously) with sterilised destilled water and he could store it in the fridge/freezer?
If this is done correctly could his syringe have a extended shelf life and unlikely to have bacteria/molds due to low temps?
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bagiluob
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Maybe storing in the fridge or freezer could keep it clean a longer time, but as sugar with water is really some great stuff for bacterias or molds to develop in, I wouldn't recommend it. Plus, even if nothing develops, it freezing won't help extend shelf life; cold doesn't kill most of bacterias and molds, which are most likely to come back to life once at room temperature.
I'd say, just store it without sugar. And in the cold.
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cc2
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mushypatch11 said: thankyou for answering this question considering the nature of it to normal cultivated mushrooms contams on this forum.
im sure my friend has peace of mind knowing now that it was probably just a common bacteria rather then a harmful mold even though it was disposed of and not consumed.
To prevent this from happening again, maybe he can use a sterile syringe (as he did previously) with sterilised destilled water and he could store it in the fridge/freezer?
If this is done correctly could his syringe have a extended shelf life and unlikely to have bacteria/molds due to low temps?
as a rule of thumb, the purest the substance the better it stores (of course low light/low temp/low oxygen parameters still stand).
so if you're gonna dilute it (and considering the sugar involved) either use ethanol and keep refrigerated (you never know, ethanol and sucrose may still support some life forms) out of light, or dissolve a non-sugar source.
sterilizing would only work if everything is pressure cooked after everything is inside the syringe, sugar and LSD comprised. given the high temperature and time needed, this would however degradate LSD IMHO
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SomeGuy
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Re: LSD contamination [Re: cc2]
#15672674 - 01/16/12 07:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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it sounds like "plaster-mold" It is the very common black mold one might find between the tiles in the bathroom or on the baseboards of an old house. Ethynol sounds like the best plan to contain it in the future. Dissolve the sugar-cube in everclear, and suck it up in the syringe. Refridgerate
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mushypatch11


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Re: LSD contamination [Re: SomeGuy]
#15673973 - 01/16/12 02:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok great thanks very much to all who answered.
I will let my friend know to try the ethanol/everclear solution for his next low dose storage syringe.
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corporal_clegg87
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reminds me of the days when I was undergoing some lsd therapy myself. One night toward the end me and my friend stashed away a glass of vodka for the morning (so no-one else would drink it on us, you understand). Anyway we forgot about it for about a month (he was less than meticulous about cleaning his cupboards). One night we were dry and we remembered our special stash. We got there only to find some mold floating in our glass. Bound by desire and a thirst for knowledge we had a sip, the alcohol was now water. We we absolutly astounded. As i write this now it is becoming clear that its quite likely his little brother robbed it and replaced it with water. What a dick.
On the lsd storage we have kept a bottle of liquid-lsd/vodka for years (2-4)in the freezer. Was fine, never lost its potency (although I only had it for the last two years it was still strong enough to scare a few of my more irresponsible friends straight). Just keep it out of direct sunlight, them shits give you a bad trip, seriously.
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" Bound by desire and a thirst for knowledge we had a sip, the alcohol was now water. We we absolutly astounded. As i write this now it is becoming clear that its quite likely his little brother robbed it and replaced it with water. What a dick."
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