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BRF cakes or to mini mono?
    #15667888 - 01/15/12 12:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

After 2+ months of intense research Ive decided its time to take all of the amazing info Ive obtained and try my hand at this. Ive read up on alot of teks and their potential. i ordered a spore syringe from spores101 and disappointingly somehow my payment was lost in the mail so 26 bucks down the drain. so it would be greatly appreciated if you guys could vouch for a reliable sponsor.
 
Ok so i have to setups i am ready to try out and was looking for some advice on which would be best to start out on. i am going to be using the PF tek, BRF cakes and i either want to grow straight from the cakes in an appropriate fc or crumble the colonized cakes into a coir/verm sub using Damion5050's tek into a mini mono. It seems that the mono is significantly less maintenance than the cakes but a sg fc is similar to grow the cakes. the only reason i ask this question is because it needs to be a concealed grow once i set it up. i would like it to be in my closest, i have a space above the shelves perfect for a 9 qt tub. i can provide light and optimal growing conditions but the mini mono sounds easiest. i was wondering what experience you guys have had with these methods keeping in mind the need for concealment. Thanks to everyone for all the info i gained on mycology and i hope to start a grow log asap.

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid] * 1
    #15668700 - 01/15/12 09:00 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

First off, If you did all the required research you would have ordered from a sponser instead of someone who has a terrible rep as a spore dealer... But it happens, dont beat yourself up.. Follow this link to the list of sponsers for this website and you will be able to find a reputable dealer of sorts <LINK> Remember to never mention spore dealers on the same thread you mention growing in, (p. cube.) spores are for microscopic research only, not for growing..

Fruiting as cakes has been deemed the easiest tek to follow for newbs, like yourself. Personally I do not find monotubs to be all that hard but I also do not sterlize any of my materials, I buy them presterilized so I skip those steps all together. IF you are making your own cakes I would say to fruit as cakes just to get an idea of how the whole process works. Also monos are not maintenance free IME and the only upside to a minimono to a cake is increased yeild(but only for the experienced and lucky, first timers will likely have problems matching the more experienced mono tekers yeilds) My monos all require regular fanning and sometimes a light misting to add moisture to the air..

Crumbleing cakes into a larger cake/minimono will add more time to the experience and more posiblities for comtams to take hold, I would suggest fruiting as cakes first so you can get a feel for what you are doing and how to maintain RH, FAE, etc..


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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: MushroomHaven]
    #15669417 - 01/15/12 12:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yeah starting with cakes first will give me experience with conditions so that i can move on to methods with higher yields but i really want to go straight to monos. maybe try both at the same time? if i put the mini mono on the top shelf of a closet, what would be the necessary ways for FAE assuming i was using the poly-filled holes? would there be enough o2 circulating/present? the problem i can see running into would be the co2 since co2 rises, once it leaves the mono it has really no where to go. what is your take? thanks btw for helping out

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15669478 - 01/15/12 12:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

CO2 is actually heavier than air, thats why when you make a mono, you want holes at the bottom as well as the top to allow for a current from top to bottom to happen, also why you must fan the tub so you can help move it out from the bottom..

I went straight to grains and monotubs and skipped brf altogether, so you could do it also.. Instead of a minimono I would suggest a dubtub setup.. Get a shoebox sized tote (6-6.5qts) put in your colonized brf cakes(4pints is a good starting point per shoebox)and add 3-4qts coir and 1-2qts verm(until its full) then place the lid on it until its fully colonized.. Once fully colonized place another shoebox of the same dimensions ontop of the fully colonized tub with 2 1" holes on each long side and 1 1" hole on each short side and fan and mist on a regular basis(3-5times a day or as often as possible) If you follow this you should have no problem with lack of FAE or anything else..

If you need more clarification on this or would like a few other ideas or suggestions just let me know..


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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15669494 - 01/15/12 12:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I would say do at least one BRF cake grow first. It will help you understand whats going on and there is a very good chance that you will yield on your first grow. After you have a general understanding, moving onto more advance techniques will be far easier and your experience will be reflected by your yields.

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: demonkinsin]
    #15672072 - 01/16/12 01:26 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

MushroomHaven im not clear on your idea of the mono. so the first tub would be full of colonized coir and verm and just tape another tub of the same size on top? would the box be tall enough for the fruits to grow?

a good sub depth is about 4 inches and the 6qt box is about 5.5 or 6 inches tall.. i want to use EQ's to colonize and they get up to 8in.












i have a 5qt tub thats 4in tall and 6qt box that fits on top perfectly. its a little shorter than the potential height of the fruits but i doubt the fruits are going to reach that. i dont really want to fan and mist that much and i dont understand how i would with the tub on top since they would be inverted on top of eachother.

this has me thinking... so i colonize into the coir and verm in the 5qt with a about 3-4 inches in depth and put a 6qt box on top with holes (undecided on size or number) so its like a mini-mini mono. then i would place the taped up boxes in a larger tub. now my mind goes a couple ways.. i could put a small layer of perlite or wet verm in the bottom to keep the RH high just in case. but i dont know how to get the FAE without fanning in a quite way. my set up is on the top self of my closet. its about 4ft x 2.5ft , now that i noticed how big the space is i think i might try a couple grows at the same time since ill probly have more cakes to use. what do you think?

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15673935 - 01/16/12 02:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Your second pic shows what I was trying to explain. Place your verm, coir, and colonized brf cakes in the tub and place the lid on and wait for it to fully colonize(using the clear tubs is best so you can check all sides, taping up the sides or placing a trash bag in the tub is outdated and not necessary, mycelium likes light at all stages of growth, I never use bags or tape the sides, side pinning is a fact of life when doing this and unavoidable for the most part) This will take anywhere between 10 and 14 days respectively..

Once fully colonized, take the lid off and place the other tote on upside down with the holes already made, fill holes with polyfil and fan and mist on a semi-regular schedule..

You will not be able to acquire your desired results without fanning, you just cant get by it, especially growing in a closet.. Dont worry about the perlite or verm, its not necessary with adequate fanning and misting.. Your sub should be wet enough if properly prepared to allow for enough moisture to be present to create a high enough RH..


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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: MushroomHaven]
    #15674151 - 01/16/12 03:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

ok but would tape the tubs together when colonizing? or put the lid just on the colonizing tub? and once colonized i take the top 6qt tub and put it upside down underneath the colonized tub and put perlite in it? then where do i put it? in a large tub and fan and mist? can a fan without moving the tubs inside the closet?

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15674183 - 01/16/12 03:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Im lost in your typings so I will try to explain step by step:

Step1: Colonize BRF Jars (20-30days)

Step2: Mix colonized BRF Jars with Coir & Verm in one tub, then place the lid of that tub on top until it is fully colonized (10-14 days)

Step3: Once said tub is finished colonizing, take the lid off and place the other tub ontop like the second pic you have and tape down on each short side for easier access when fanning or misting.. (Make sure by this time you already have your holes in it, with this size of tub I would suggest two 1 inch holes on the long sides and one 1 inch hole on each short side)

Step4: Mist and Fan(in that order) on a semi-regular basis, at least 4 times a day (sometimes you cant do four, 3 will be fine then, but try for four or more)

AFter a week or so you will see pins and mushrooms popping up everywhere and will harvest soon after..

Anymore clarification needed on something, just ask, I will try to clear it up for ya..


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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: MushroomHaven]
    #15674250 - 01/16/12 03:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

ohhh sorry i thought i read perlite when you talked about polyfill.. so basically the two tubs are the only tubs used and its basically a monotub that needs fanning. could i fan in the closet? if i clean the whole closet taking out all the clothes and shit and dust and spray with lysol and wipe down with alcohol will contams be an issue? thanks for explaining this like 5 times for my dumb ass lol

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15674272 - 01/16/12 03:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Monos require fanning also, at least mine do, maybe someone is more advanced than me and knows something I dont(it is definately possible, I too am still rather new to mycology, <2 years experience, and still have to ask questions at times)

Yes, only the two tubs are used, I didnt add it to the steps but the polyfil is for the holes your putting in the second tub thats added when introducing fruiting conditions..

You can fan in the closet, fanning helps push CO2 created by the mycelium out and add fresh air for your fruits, pins etc..

Just a quick dusting is all  thats really needed inside the closet as once your sub is completely colonized, its pretty resistant to any contams not already present in it.. Mine sits infront of a window that is sometimes open and have never had a contam just pop up out of nowhere..


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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: MushroomHaven]
    #15674343 - 01/16/12 04:07 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

sweet thanks man thats fucking awesome. i think im gunna do 2 of these since im gunna have like 10 jars. what do you use 1/2 pint or 1?

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15674421 - 01/16/12 04:25 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I use Quart jars of Rye but the tek is still same for both of us in terms of the one I describe above..

I just started a Martha Greenhouse so all my time has been put into getting it tuned into the right RH, temps etc. But I do have one shoebox of chitwan and PE mixed that I will be fruiting like how I described above in about a week or two..

Are you using 1/2 pints or 1 pints?


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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: MushroomHaven]
    #15674462 - 01/16/12 04:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

im not sure yet i just ordered my syringe today but i think i want to use 1 pint jars and wait a little longer for colonization so i dont waste a syringe one grow box (8 1/2 pints). have you had issues with contams on 1 pints?

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Re: BRF cakes or to mini mono? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #15674603 - 01/16/12 05:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Attempted PF Tek 3 times in the past, Failed all three times(Due to what I now know was my own faults)... Moved to grains and never had a problem(Grains most of the time are done using Quart jars instead of Pints, so I use only Quart jars)

Edit: I should say that I do not prepare any of my own jars.. I do not own a pc and have not cared to get one as my projects usually remain pretty small.. I use sponsers for obtaining my grain jars, pre-sterilized..


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