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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15664612 - 01/14/12 10:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry man but looks like OOPS is it that's cube lookin

At least u got growth, albeit not Wat u wanted but growth non the less


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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15664615 - 01/14/12 10:21 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That myc growth happens in my experience when one part of the substrate gets eaten and started to shrink before the other.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Icesyn]
    #15664627 - 01/14/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ok well that's a serious bummer.  I do wonder though if one of the other syringes in the shipment was azures?  I have emailed the vendor to ask his opinion.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15664632 - 01/14/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I highly doubt you got any azure spores

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15664654 - 01/14/12 10:28 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

On a related note, if I were to birth this cake and try and fruit it like a cube, should I dunk and roll?  Or will that kill the pins?

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15665222 - 01/14/12 12:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yea, buddy just dunk and roll it like you would any pf cake. It's possible you will damage a pin or 2 but plenty more will show up shortly, your yeild (in grams) will be about the same whether those couple pins make it or not.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15666194 - 01/14/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I highly doubt you got any azure spores




:whathesaid:
Sorry to hear you got screwed tho.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #15666206 - 01/14/12 04:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Where did you get your spores from?  Look like cube pins to me




An experienced grower is wrong???

HOW CAN THIS BE?
:zomgwtf:



Of course I can be wrong.  Growing mushrooms is constantly changing.  Id love to see the OP fruit the cake and see what comes of it




I cannot blame UG, as this is very much a first for me as well.

So, screw all the PNW environmental issues, just grow in-vitro!

Wow.

Let them grow out a bit.  This will help confirm identification.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Javadog]
    #15666559 - 01/14/12 06:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I am going to let them get a little bigger to help confirm id.  The vendor said that since they're wild spores they're possibly contaminated with other strains.  I understand that reality, but nonetheless, I don't see how it gets contam'd with cube spores in the wild??  He was very confident he sent me azure spores.

But whatever, maybe it's some random wood-loving mushroom in there.  Or maybe the label did get screwed up in shipping.  I don't know what's going on here.

Honestly though I have jars with myc that looks *very* different than other cube myc.  So I'm not sure how to proceed, but I think I'm going to try and cover all my bases and spawn at least some of the myc to the wood chips and see what happens.  If indeed there is cube myc growing with the azures, then in theory the azure myc should colonize the chips and the cube myc will die off.

I will keep this one growing in the jar and/or fruit it without a dunk and roll to hopefully get an id in the next few days. If it does turn out at that point to be confirmed cubensis I'll dunk and roll and put in SGFC.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15669072 - 01/15/12 10:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Thats an alright idea. Dont waste your cakea though. This seems to be between a gift and a mistake. Cool shit non the less.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Icesyn]
    #15669130 - 01/15/12 11:01 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Thats an alright idea. Dont waste your cakea though. This seems to be between a gift and a mistake. Cool shit non the less.




Yeah totally.  This particular cake I will not crumble, I think I'm going to put it in the SGFC today as the pins are getting huge and numerous. :mushroom2:

edited to add:
so I went ahead and rinsed the cake being careful not to damage the pins, rolled it lightly in verm, and put it in SGFC.  If it does turn out to be cubensis I'll do a proper dunk and roll after this first flush.

I've also been thinking about this and based on the growth of my other "azurescens" jars and the trustworthy vendors insistence he sold me the right syringe, my guess is that maybe some cube spores got mixed in with his azures, cuz I got some growth in my other jars that definitely is not cube.

Presumably, vendors get prints and then may make up their syringe solution in bulk, combining multiple prints, so a cube print getting mixed in could add a randomness to what's growing in my jars. :shrug:

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15669425 - 01/15/12 12:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That just means whoever made it is getting sloppy. This shouldn't happen. Wouldn't happen in the wild either. Make sure you get your rightful syringe.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: undeadninja2]
    #15669532 - 01/15/12 12:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I thought azures and cubes grew in two totally different habitats. So how could cubes contaminate the azure spores? It sounds like somebody is dickin you around bro.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #15669729 - 01/15/12 01:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I thought azures and cubes grew in two totally different habitats. So how could cubes contaminate the azure spores? It sounds like somebody is dickin you around bro.




Yes I know, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now while I fruit this cake to confirm it is indeed cubensis and then I will email him again.  It's not the end of the world either way but I just want to know.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15669753 - 01/15/12 01:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but I'm sure it would be more rewarding to have some azures. Oh well at least you won't be empty handed

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: smily]
    #15673639 - 01/16/12 01:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What do you guys think??  I dunno, doesn't really look cubeish to me.  I also haven't noticed any blueing.  Perhaps this is an inactive species?  Although it's hard to see blueing through the verm... (the pic makes it look bluer than it does with the naked eye)

I will continue to let these grow hopefully the warm/humid sgfc will allow for growth.  I'm tempted to put it somewhere cooler though.


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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: tdmm]
    #15673691 - 01/16/12 01:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm really beginning to doubt those are azures.

For most azure mins I've seen, they have blue around the edge of the cap. Really looks like a cube pin to me.

Azure Pins:




Notice the last pic. The myc is at the base stand like. Cubes tend to look fuzzier. You can even see the smallest one, assuming its a pin. The 1st 2 are indoor grow pics. However I'm not sure they were from a successful grow.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Icesyn]
    #15673749 - 01/16/12 01:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

a couple more days will tell, but yea, the caps are a little brown for an azure but dead on for a cube. When they sporulate and you take a print, we will be able to tell for sure.

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: SomeGuy]
    #15673827 - 01/16/12 02:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it is too early to say for certain.

Good luck,

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Re: Azurescens brf cake pinning in the jar?? (pics) [Re: Javadog]
    #15674094 - 01/16/12 03:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What i would do would be split cake in two and use half as spawn to a roaster pan worth of bulk and the other half as spawn to the same amount of woodchips/shavings. It's 99% likely you got cubes, but the 1% chance is that you got a nifty indoor happy substrain of azures. What do you have to loose?


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